Fire Emblem: The Discussion Thread (keep FE Fates story under spoilertags)

[~Firefly~]

Place them beside each other so they don't.

 

[Reizilla]

Make them archers with counter and refresh(not refresh, but the one that works every turn for war monks I forget what its called.

 

[~Firefly~]

Renewal~~~

 

[Ussi]

They would need to have cleric/troubador and the archer option...

Who exists with that combination?

 

[Delta-cod]

My unit.

 

[Raziek]

Yeah, nobody other than a child unit (or the Avatar) can have that combo.

 

[~Firefly~]

The developers knew how terrible a class set that would be and held back from assigning it to anybody to avoid creating completely useless units. =3

 

[Raziek]

And yet Ricken exists.

 

[~Firefly~]

At least he...comes with Elwind?

 

[Delta-cod]

Ricken still clutch defended Maribelle for me once. He'll never be completely useless for that.

 

[Ussi]

I need Ricken to do my no recuse staff use in chapter 5.

Other than that his speed makes me cry at how useless he is. Like a lot of characters should have better bases.. But i guess cause they made growths much better in general compared to old games, didn't want to risk it getting too easy with both good bases and growths.

 

[telemaster]

yeah dude ricken defended my maribelle too LOL

 

[Reizilla]

They would need to have cleric/troubador and the archer option...

Who exists with that combination?

Nino. and a whole bunch of others.

 

[Raziek]

Spot pass doesn't count. :<

 

[Reizilla]

I made a team of all spotpass characters + MU and Morgan. Pretty broken IMO

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

My friend made a team of MU + 8 Bride Class characters

 

[telemaster]

is anyone else upset that you cant battle another player's team head to head in real time?

 

[Ussi]

Wish they would realize they can make a verse mode with objective maps like defend/seize maps

Person defending wins after some amount of turns. Person seizing gets twice the units.

 

[NickRiddle]

That sounds like fun... Time for somebody to learn to hack this game~

 

[~Firefly~]

is anyone else upset that you cant battle another player's team head to head in real time?

Yes.

 

[Reizilla]

I've never run into anyone that owns this game, but yes.

 

[Senliten]

is anyone else upset that you cant battle another player's team head to head in real time?

While I haven't run into the various dozen people at my local uni first hand (aside street passing them on given days). I do kinda wish this was given some thought to implementation. Then again, perhaps the next one?

Anyways finished L+ mode and am completely burnt out from this game. May wait till the rest of the DLC rolls out before picking it up once more.

 

[Soft Serve]

Finished my first run of classic normal 2 days after getting awakening. Really enjoyed my first play through, although I didn't realize how the child system worked until it was far to late to actually plan it out. Although i did get sick swords master Noir with lethality and soultaker. I also realized too late that Donnel needs 2nd seal to actually get into another class. I was assuming he worked like the Novice classes in Sacred stones but with a higher level cap. He max'd out on hero stats before he hit lvl 10, his growth is amazing. Soloed the last three levels minus chrom for the last level.

Is there a link anywhere to a chart for base and growth rates for all the characters?

 

[ChKn]

Growth Rates: http://serenesforest.net/fe13/char_growth_all.html
Base: http://serenesforest.net/fe13/char_base.html

I'm probably going to get the EXP and Gold bundle DLC tomorrow. I don't feel like grinding out characters anymore lol. I want to end up with a good enough team for the Radiant Hero map.

 

[~Firefly~]

Disclaimer: the growth rates on Serenes Forest have been proven to not be 100% accurate. Take them with a grain of salt.

 

[jamlosingthegame]

I made a team of all spotpass characters + MU and Morgan. Pretty broken IMO

I thought there was a glitch that when you use Spotpass/DLC characters on a team you come up as a generic team on other people's copies.

 

[Reizilla]

I wouldn't know because nobody plays here, but that makes me sad now

 

[jamlosingthegame]

Yeah. I wanted to use Ike and Roy cause they're my mains.

 

[nessokman]

Honestly people? The characters that start weak aredonnell, ricken, mariable,miriel, Olivia) but when you raise them, they are insane.

Ricken is horrible when you get him, but if you make him into a sage->dark knight, his speed and defense own. My ricken took out validar's army (chap 23 I think) and beat them.

Donnel, likewise is great. Make him go villager ->mercenary->hero.he's great

Mariable is hard to raise, but when done right: thronanbular ->Mage->war cleric->sage

My friend's Olivia is a swordmaster. Not max yet and base damage is 47. She is a great char to raise.

The weak ones are the best.

 

[Ussi]

anyone can be made good, they are bad because the work needed to make them good is much higher than the work needed for other characters like Cordelia

 

[Raziek]

At the end of the day, what matters is stat caps and class sets (and therefore skills), which is why all the units you just mentioned are bad.

They take more effort to achieve worse results than virtually any of the children or the Avatar.

There are some good tier 1 units in terms of classes, like Olivia, Lon'Qu, Sully, etc, but children are almost always better because they get THAT and MORE.

 

[Ussi]

there should be two categories, good parents, and good children. Cause we all know children pretty much have much more potential than parents.

 

[jamlosingthegame]

thronanbular

Gesundheit. It's troubadour.

Don't Est-archetype units kill rankings in 6 and 7, or is this just me going crazy?

 

[jamlosingthegame]

Random double post?

 

[Raziek]

They do, because you don't realistically have time to get them up to par without murdering your tactics rating.

There are a few who can get by that come to mind from playing 7. Latest you can reasonably squeeze in is Dart, but he's not quite an Est, and requires you to take a funds hit to promote him.

Niño is completely unusable though.

 

[Ussi]

Wouldn't Farina be fine to use? She costs the same as Dart. Though i guess she's not low stats. Just your units should be promoting by then though.

 

[Raziek]

Farina doesn't add anything to a team, because she's essentially obsoleted by Florina and Fiora. Both have better support options that are less in-demand than hers, take less effort, join earlier and turn out essentially just as good.

Dart actually fills an interesting role, offering a good support for Geitz (Fire/Thunder), as well as Will/Rebecca if you're using an Archer. (mostly for exp rank

He's also the most statistically impressive (primary) Axeman not named Hector, since he actually gets Speed to speak of.

His first few chapters after joining are also pretty accommodating for feeding him kills, too, as 19 has Pegasus Knights and 19x has Knights and useless mages. Chapter 20 is mostly cavaliers, and he can get kills beating up the Archers in the lower right with a Handaxe, or barging through the left side of the map. Chapter 21 has Wyvern Knights that he can deal with by this point, which is a big plus for him.

Needless to say, I am a fan of Dart.

 

[Reizilla]

Wouldn't Farina be fine to use? She costs the same as Dart. Though i guess she's not low stats. Just your units should be promoting by then though.

Aren't Ocean Seals 50k?

 

[Raziek]

Yes, but Farina is 20k to recruit + her promotion item valued at 20k, making them roughly the same.

 

[Mono.]

Characters in awakening shouldn't be measured by how well they do during the main story line, seeing how Awakening is terribly easy (Lunatic and Lunatic+ gets easy after you complete the first few chapters and know to look out for morons with counter in L+) and you have access to plenty of grinding chances, anyone can be your best unit. Where characters real worth should be measured is in Streetpass battles. That's when you'll really see why for example Ricken isn't good and characters like Morgan are godly.