Final Fantasy IX Mafia | Game over! | Who won? :o

[#HBC | Ryker]

I think I'll pass on any sort of independent killer.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Here's my train of thought. I have no doubt I'm going to be blasted as scummy, but honestly I don't care.

As far as I'm concerned, if you think J is scum, then vote for him. Even if it puts him to L-1. I have seen too many games where Town is scared to push a wagon/lynch and sits on their votes and nothing gets pushed until the last minute when we mislynch a townie. I feel it happened twice this game already.

If J is town, he's said he's not going to hammer. If he does, then he's proven we don't need him around because he's going to muck up the waters.

If J's scum, then I'm fine killing scum. We have more than enough evidence against him in his posts to find a back trail to his scummates.

So, honestly, push the lynch or move to another player. But hovering around L-2 is just ridiculous.

Wow. Absolutely pointless post. Trust me, the day isn't going to waste away. Not rushing the day is going to allow for more discussion.

Sang, you ever play a mafia game and this one player is pushing all your buttons to piss you off? And you take a deep breathe and try to get your emotions under control despite being really pissed off? And so you try to make a post to show you're trying to get your game back together?

Yeah, that's what I was trying to talk about.

Obviously I'm not sold on town J since my vote is on him, but I'm willing to give other players a chance to chime in.

Why the hell would... I think I missed the part where people thought you (or anyone for that matter) "sold on town J"... This post has less purpose than the last. Really feels like you're posting just to post.

I was right and he was a killer.

roflllll

There's not a whole lot to comment on that's new. Doubt there's double protects and vig AND cop. Too strong of a town unless mafia is loaded. Nobody has showed disinterest in J's lynch, it's going to happen. J, before it happens, it would be great if you could give your opinion on as many players as possible. A solid stance with reasonings if you're able. This will be useful to us, whether you're town or scum.

 

[July]

No one has explained there could not be two docs besides it is unlikely. With a bodygaurd and a jailer essentially being two weak docs, there can be two weak docs. Also I bring up N1, mafia didn't kill Seik and I protected Hilt N1. By what we know, there were supposed to be two NKs but I apparantly stopped one. Then let's bring up last night, no mafia nor indy would target me after a flip of another variate of a similar role of mine. It's like if someone flipped another variant of cop when another had claimed so as well. So who is the most likely target? Acro by far. He is cleared by town and he can clear other townies, which would logically make sense for both indy/mafia to target him. How can you explain a no NK? You can't because I highly doubt there is a BP in this game especially if there are two doc roles.

People cannot get around solid facts w.r.t. how many dead bodies have popped up during the night if you are going to lynch me based off claim which is a major reason why people like July/Nich/Sang are looking at me.

I understand how bodyguard/doc could be a weak role but I'm still not sure how jailer is a weak role. It's a mixture of doctor and roleblocker and according to mafiascum "Unlike Doctor, Jailkeeper's protection extends to stopping every kill that would resolve on the target by default". So it doesn't seem to me like jailer is a weak doctor and I still think that the two roles together seems overpowered. Especially considering that the rest of this post and your defense for there being the possibility of two docs is nk speculation and digging really far into the theory of that there is an indy killing faction as well as mafia. You also appeal to "solid facts" about night kills to defend yourself, however with 1 night kill N1 followed by no night kill N2, the solid facts are that we know there is one night killing faction. I'm not willing to put stock into there being two factions capable of nightkilling nor use that as reason to believe two doc roles is balanced in this game.

What are you talking about July? I've been, if not, the most forward person to give information out right away. Especially if we are to bring up my claim where I brought that info to light fast as hell. Also I did say who is scummy i.e. Sang/AM and that can be determined to where I was going to be looking at when I did my re-read, no? The simple answer is yes.

You have been forward with giving out information on other Days, but toDay you stretched out the process of giving us information and where you were looking toDay. You started with your general post of Acro/JTB/Hilt/yourself were obvtown and that you wanted to put me in there, and then you said Tanny/Dad/Nich/Sang/AM needed looked into more. Then the next post you asked questions about other people's reads, then the next post you lay out everyone as town/null/scum as your reads "as you recall them". Which makes it seem like the first post was fluff and you really wanted to stretch out the process of divulging information.

Also I don't remember you bring info up about your claim "as fast as anything". Your post #1137 you react to Panta's softclaim and then Panta straight-up claims in #1206, Hilt and Dad point out that you didn't actually CC and only softclaimed that Panta was lying in their #1220 and #1221 respectively, Nich points out in his #1241 that if you are not in the thread by deadline you should be shot, Hilt brings up a really good point about just shooting you instead to prevent you from backing out on a doc claim in his #1268, #1283 Dad also supports you being the vig shot, then you finally full claim in #1303 but only after a great deal of support behind your vig shot over Panta's had been tossed around.

Also I'm still pondering why you think that Seik wasn't a mafia kill and mafia instead targeted Hilt who you supposedly jailed. Why did you decide to jail Hilt in the first place? Were you trying to protect him or roleblock him?

However, that's all I got July, speculation because I know for a fact I'm town jailer. How does defending myself to what seems to be an arbritary attack scummy?

It isn't an arbitrary attack though because in your claim post (#1303) you say that you think you are the real "doc" role and that Panta is lying. With a TC doc flip that's something you have to explain, how can you and TC's roles exist in the same game, but the first line of this where you tell Nich that you don't get what he's talking about seems feigned. And it wasn't that you defended yourself, it was that you were defensive about Nich asking you about it when it was a fair question.

As for only having speculation to fall back on, fair enough. I still disagree with the speculated scenarios though.

Whaaaaaaat? Girl what are you talking about? I always feel out people's reads and what's going on in their noggins because that's who I is. If i haven't done it myself, I'm looking for leads. Yet again, how is this scummy?

It was the fact that you were feeling out read before clarifying your own. Even when you gave your list of town/null/scum, you have yet to clarify your scum read on Sang or expand on your read on AM. I remember you disliked him for his push on Hilt as indy but I don't remember much since then. So it seemed to me you were feeling out other people's reads before actually explaining yours.

Already explained this point I think. Alright, I'll be sure to jam pack my SangScum read very nicely.

Kk I look forward to it.

And now I have but then again July, how is being defensive to something like that scummy? Put yourself in my shoes.

It was scummy because we were just looking for explanations as to why you thought that there could be two docs (weak or not), and explanations for why TC's flip is different from Panta's claim and once again you acted as if there was no reason to question such things, which I disagree with. I wanted to hear why your reaction to TC's flip and Panta's claim are different from you, and I don't think those questions and asking for clarification were too much.

July, it is logical to me because I actually know what is what. I don't get how it's illogical at all because I know it's the truth so I want her to explain as such. Plus Panta's claim=/=TC's claim whatsoever.

Kk but in the response before this you said to put myself in your shoes; put yourself in ours though. Two doc type roles seems overpowered and you really didn't seem like you wanted to address TC's flip which made it even more suspicious. Once again you treated it as if it was a non-issue and we should just know why you are not explaining the Panta/TC, doc/jailer issues but it was an issue and did need an explanation as to why or how it could be logical.

I wasn't being evasive at all, however, I'll take the hit to being defensive because I was. Yet, throughout this entire post of bringing up how defensive I am, how is my defensiveness scummy? You aren't considering both sides of the story July my dear.

There is a difference between defending yourself and being defensive. You didn't set out to defend yourself by responding to questions, clarifying your claims or explaining issues raised. You were instead defensive, and acted as if we were in the wrong asking you to explain or clarify things or if the answers were obvious, when they weren't and I feel like the questions were fair that were asked of you.

Kuz and J are not aligned. I can say that with one hundred percent certainty.

J is scum as he has always been scum. He's been buddying and AtEing for no other purpose than to do it. His claim does NOTHING to fix that. I've pointed out in places where I was active where J's posts were gross.

Tandora and July. TCat case had merit.

Can you explain your read on Tandora and which parts of the TCat case had merit?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Voted | Voter(s) | Votes/Lynch
J | th3kuzinator, July, Nicholas, Tandora | 4 / 6

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Not Voting: Tandora, AggressiveMediation, Hilt, J, SangfroidWarrior, JTB
Takes 6/10 to lynch

 

[JTB]

Is there anything we are waiting on before we lynch J?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Not really.

Technically we're waiting on Acrostic to weigh in on what has happened and pretty much confirm for us that he was roleblocked jailed.

J is scum. Everyone knows its. J knows that everyone does, too, which is why he isn't saying anything because its a lost cause.

@Hilt: J gave a stance list at the end of yesterDay as well as in 1407. Now that he knows he's going to die any sort of stance list that J gives us after this point should be discarded because he's just going to throw random **** together because he doesn't have to appear consistent.

 

[th3kuzinator]

1407 should also be taken with a grain of salt, though.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

I apologize, I didn't submit a role action by the deadline. As a result, I didn't receive any pm in my inbox and therefore wasn't able to get a report. What I did was an extreme mistake on my end and frankly put, I wouldn't forgive myself from an objective standpoint.

 

[JTB]

welp

Vote: J

 

[th3kuzinator]

lol thats hysterical.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

I will throw myself into a wall, if there ends up being no role blocker this game.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Nah its fine. J is flipping scum pros or jailer. I support you hammering btw, we've heard from everyone.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Unvote

Actually let me hammer I want to do something.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Talked to Alex and we're requesting that I replace into this slot.

Vote J

 

[th3kuzinator]

It is time to live up to family name and face

full

life

consequences!

J killed WIFE?! I loved Wife like SUN RAISE. J you will SUFFAR!

so then Kuz made fists with hands and punched J in the ****.

Vote: J

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

You're welcome.

 

[#HBC | J]

Yaaaaaaaaay. Took you guys long enough if I'll say anything. ~.~

But yeah I got everything I wanted done and did alot of.....well . Haha that was so much fun being mafia and getting what I wanted done. Thanks guys!

Should I tell them that thing I know that would help town...? But I left clues....I don't know if they'll get it. Oh, but the WIFOM surrounding it.

 

[#HBC | J]

Naaaaaaaaah, it's more fun for me and my alliance to not help you guys. I'm terribly sorry. ^^" I'll explain more at endgame why I did a lot of things.

Any last questions before I flip? xD

 

[th3kuzinator]

Wanna exchange bra colors? Mine is pink.

 

[#HBC | J]

Wanna exchange bra colors? Mine is pink.

You're a drag queen? O_O Noooo thanks bro.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Too bad it would have been a really lively conversation.

 

[#HBC | J]

It would have bitten me in the *** imo.

 

[Nicholas1024]

So, since J has admitted to being mafia, where do you guys plan on looking for tomorrow? Personally I want to take a closer look at Tand/Sang. Sang's interactions with J had felt odd to me and need a closer examination, Tand for the points Hilt raised and that I don't feel the playerslot has done much of anything.

 

[#HBC | J]

So, since J has admitted to being mafia, where do you guys plan on looking for tomorrow? Personally I want to take a closer look at Tand/Sang. Sang's interactions with J had felt odd to me and need a closer examination, Tand for the points Hilt raised and that I don't feel the playerslot has done much of anything.

Totally do that.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Yeah Tand/Sang is good.

You too nichy-boy

lol J u like?

 

[#HBC | J]

Yeah Tand/Sang is good.

You too nichy-boy

lol J u like?

Mucho gusto senor.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Mucho gusto senor.

9.) The use of non-English, invisible, hidden, coded, or otherwise intentionally hidden or indecipherable text is strictly prohibited. (Spoiler tags are allowed because they are easily noticeable. This rule is not meant to disallow breadcrumbing within the visible text of a message.)

Modkill: J

 

[#HBC | J]

Modkill: J

Yoooooooou wish.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Qué? No hablo español.

 

[#HBC | J]

Si.

Oh! Another game's over, gotta go find a Hinata avatar.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Yeah, definitely Tandora.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

So, since J has admitted to being mafia, where do you guys plan on looking for tomorrow? Personally I want to take a closer look at Tand/Sang. Sang's interactions with J had felt odd to me and need a closer examination, Tand for the points Hilt raised and that I don't feel the playerslot has done much of anything.

Just wonderring, what part looked odd to you? Like, which interraction are you talking about?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Day 3 ends!

J [Black Waltz - Mafia Roleblocker] has been lynched!

Night 3 begins
Send in all Night Actions until Thursday 25th.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Day 4 begins!

...the doctor's report confirmed that the Black Waltz was being manipulated to use his black magic against the attendees of Garnet's birthday festivities. It was the first sign of improvement in the current situation - it explained the cause of the killings that happened the previous days and conclusions on whom the Waltz's accomplces are could be made with a certain accuracy.
Motivation among the people reached a new high point when the pleasant news spread throughout the castle. Perhaps the killings would find an ending soon and the Princess could be found soon thereafter. Unfortunately, bad news followed soon enough instead...:

Acrostic [Zidane, Town Cop] has been killed during the Night!


The shock within the people was tremendous for another night of killing was not expected. Now they did not only lose yet another of their allies but they also have come to realize that they still hadn't found what they were searching for just yet...

Day 4 begins - Deadline: Friday, September 2nd
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

Not voting: Tandora, July, AggressiveMediation, JTB, th3kuzinator, Hilt, Nicholas1024, SangfroidWarrior

 

[Tandora]

Mod, could you include who voted for J on his lynch screen?

 

[Tandora]

*blink* Where'd everyone go?

 

[JTB]

Kuz, I'll pick up your slack while you are at college. Getting a read through tonight now that we have a scum flip.

I'll leave my vote here for now.

Vote: Tandora

 

[JTB]

Hilt was cleared, right? So that leaves

Kuz
Tandora
Sang
July
AM
Nich

Really doubt Kuz was bussing J, so I can remove him from the list. Really doubt there is an indy with each nights results.

 

[Tandora]

Yeah, that was pretty much my read on Kuz too.

I don't like how Sang tried to back up J a few times with out of game reasons such as AP studies. And still feel AM is scum.

 

[July]

Current reads:

Kuz- Was by far the strongest one to push J D2 and D3, strong town read on him.

Tandora- J's #773 he says he likes Tandora but then says he wants more substance from her than an intro post, and AM points out that his "math" is off because J infers Tandy should be null but says he likes her anyways. However the biggest issues I have with Tandora stem from her reaction to everything yesterDay with J. Tandora did put pressure on J for things like not claiming character and for AtEing, but she seemed disconnected from the discussion on J in general such as the doc/jailer issues. Scummy.

Sang- Complete opposite relationship of Tandora/J. J held a constant suspicion on Sang from the moment she entered the game up until J was lynched, promising a Sang case but never delivering on it. However, despite all the talk about suspicions of Sang, J also never really pushed Sang or put enough pressure on her to become a serious contender for a lynch. J's #742 explains Sang like this however:

Sang, I have said why I dislike her but there is nothing that completely sells me on her being scum. There are some things I have questioned and brought to attention but even then her responses didn't convince me fully that I like her. Her reads seem to match up with mine quite a bit but there's something there. Grrr Sang. Just grrr overall.

Which is a rather weak read on Sang considering Sang was his second scum pick. However when it comes to reacting to the doc/jailer issue and pressuring J yesterDay Sang was much more aggressive than Tandora, however Sang's #1632 seems like she's concerned about Nich giving her and J's conversations a closer examination. Scummy.

AM- AM has been pushing J since D1, and while they didn't push J as hard as Kuz they made valid points about J not backing up his reasoning or selectively pressuring people like pressuring Tandora for having weak reasoning to lean town on TC but he himself weak reasoning for liking Tandora and only called Tandora for weak reasoning after she expressed doubt towards her town read on J. Town.

Nich- Hardest person for me to get a read on so far of the remaining player list, but he did a couple things so far that stand out to me. First, he provoked J to actually claim or counterclaim Panta and suggested J as the vig shot instead of Panta if he didn't claim. Second he came right out yesterDay and confronted J about the doc/jailer issue right away and put immediate pressure on J. Would like to see more from him toDay but leaning town on him.

Vote: SangfroidWarrior