Final Fantasy IX Mafia | Game over! | Who won? :o

[#HBC | J]

Not at all.

In fact my game has gotten so much better recently because I've finally figured out what to look for with meta.

Well alright then but thing I am gonna plead on my knees that you do when I leave, stop being such an ***hole douchebag to people in game when you are totally not that person out of game because it is so frustrating. You get tainted reads off of emotion caused by trolling/upsetting people and the stuff you say is actually hurtful in-game/out of game. You may not think so and you may think people will see otherwise, but it is mean. This a game, just remember that.

Man making Rusty Guillotine makes me wanna post soooo bad but I need rest.

Also Kuzi, can you tell me where this conviction comes from? You act as if you had a self-watching role which I find nigh impossible.

 

[#HBC | J]

**** it. I got me 20 minutes.

Someone direct me to the major posts that need to be answered for/defended now and I will see what I can do for ya'll. ^^

 

[#HBC | J]

Just off my reading the posts so far, I don't like Tanny's defending of me via claim instead of actions it seems and even in the same sentence, she tries to defend my claim, while discrediting it.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Our interaction didn't affect my read on you this game at all. If I feel a certain method of attack will help me get a more solid read on someone I will not hesitate to do it even if it is not pro-town to do so or it hurts feelings along the way. This is a game but its a game I play to win and I get my enjoyment from this game by playing as such.

I will not answer any of your rolefishing questions. Why should I claim for you? If you want to have the right to ask me anything I suggest you answer everything in 1500.

Until then I have nothing more to say to you.

 

[July]

@J: My #1509 explains what I found defensive/evasive about your play toDay. Also Kuz's #1500 summarizes a lot of what has been brought up toDay that needs explained/addressed.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Just off my reading the posts so far, I don't like Tanny's defending of me via claim instead of actions it seems and even in the same sentence, she tries to defend my claim, while discrediting it.

Stop reaching.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Stop reaching.

I didn't like that either, but I was just more confused than suspicious. Tanny's post I mean

 

[#HBC | J]

Our interaction didn't affect my read on you this game at all. If I feel a certain method of attack will help me get a more solid read on someone I will not hesitate to do it even if it is not pro-town to do so or it hurts feelings along the way. This is a game but its a game I play to win and I get my enjoyment from this game by playing as such.

I don't care how you play, how you play to be a bully most games is horrendous and dwindles down how this community plays the game to a poor state that doesn't seem to be going back to the way things are. A huge reason I'm leaving and need a break is because people find it a good way to play is to be the biggest **** you can and the community has gone down the toilet.

Great! I'm seriously not trying to say you shouldn't play to your win-con or anything, but getting your enjoyment by hurting others enjoyment is just plain wrong ethically. It's a game, don't make it so damn personal all the time. ESPECIALLY because I am actually becoming distraught at the fact people consider this type of play as something to look up to which entails more people playing this way. People look up to you, kuzi, if you haven't realized and the way you play shapes their play.

The community has lost so much in these last couple months and it's a shame for me. I stand by how I wish things were like they were in the past where it wasn't so personal all the time and full of crazy stuff. Where people played the game so everyone could have fun. Also where a literal huge amount of people simply stop playing due to the drastic change in everything. Look at the Mayling family and a lot of the veterans who stopped playing. So many people got fed up and I'm sad I have to mark myself onto that tally register, but I'm done for a while. (plus personal things too)

This isn't directed at you in particular but I needed to say this before I left so I can get it off my chest. ^^" It was a sort of segway.

I will not answer any of your rolefishing questions. Why should I claim for you? If you want to have the right to ask me anything I suggest you answer everything in 1500.

Until then I have nothing more to say to you.

Alright, I'll get right on it! ^^

 

[#HBC | J]

@J: My #1509 explains what I found defensive/evasive about your play toDay. Also Kuz's #1500 summarizes a lot of what has been brought up toDay that needs explained/addressed.

Kay I'll get this as well.

I didn't like that either, but I was just more confused than suspicious. Tanny's post I mean

What? I'm confused due to grammar.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Tanny's post confused me and I didn't care for it because it was kind of confusing at first.

 

[#HBC | J]

Tanny's post confused me and I didn't care for it because it was kind of confusing at first.

Agreed, but Kuzi's post was directed at me because he is trying to say that he thinks I am reaching with my point against Tanny.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

I know. I was just saying it wasn't really reaching to say what you said.

 

[Tandora]

Just off my reading the posts so far, I don't like Tanny's defending of me via claim instead of actions it seems and even in the same sentence, she tries to defend my claim, while discrediting it.

It was not my intent to defend you in my post at all. I was calling out Kuz on his poor behavior. I was also curious of who you are claiming as your character flavor. It's not an unreasonable request.

 

[#HBC | J]

It was not my intent to defend you in my post at all. I was calling out Kuz on his poor behavior. I was also curious of who you are claiming as your character flavor. It's not an unreasonable request.

I was talking about the first paragraph my dear and I really do thank you for that haha but here's the part I found a bit weird.

From Mafiascum - A Bodyguard is a role who can target a player at Night to protect them. However, if the protected player is supposed to be killed, the Bodyguard is killed instead ("taking the bullet" for them, as it were).

Although both Bodyguard and Jailkeeper are relatively weak doctor roles, I find it unlikely we have two of them with no apparent SK/Night Vig. A one shot day vig would be immune to both protect types.

J, I noticed you did not claim your character when you claimed your role. Why not? Are you going to?

Like you quote an example to try and seem to try and back me up with my claim but say that it is very unlikely regardless.

Sorry I missed your question but my dude is Conrade and he was an actor apparantly in FF9 just like me! ^^

 

[#HBC | J]

EBWOP: *wasn't talking about the first paragraph

Woops.

 

[Tandora]

I pray you're town, J, because it would really bother me if you were using this AtE attack as scum.

I do agree with your points. Unfortunately, people are pretty much allowed to play how they like. It can be abrasive, one liners, pictures, song lyrics and so on.

Ultimately do you feel Kuz is scum? Then make an argument other than he's being a bully and rude. If you feel he is town, make a case on someone you believe in scum. Continuing to bring up Kuz's playstyle and how many people are playing that way is best done on Social and hopefully a general consensus can be reached.

I don't care how you play, how you play to be a bully most games is horrendous and dwindles down how this community plays the game to a poor state that doesn't seem to be going back to the way things are. A huge reason I'm leaving and need a break is because people find it a good way to play is to be the biggest **** you can and the community has gone down the toilet.

Great! I'm seriously not trying to say you shouldn't play to your win-con or anything, but getting your enjoyment by hurting others enjoyment is just plain wrong ethically. It's a game, don't make it so damn personal all the time. ESPECIALLY because I am actually becoming distraught at the fact people consider this type of play as something to look up to which entails more people playing this way. People look up to you, kuzi, if you haven't realized and the way you play shapes their play.

The community has lost so much in these last couple months and it's a shame for me. I stand by how I wish things were like they were in the past where it wasn't so personal all the time and full of crazy stuff. Where people played the game so everyone could have fun. Also where a literal huge amount of people simply stop playing due to the drastic change in everything. Look at the Mayling family and a lot of the veterans who stopped playing. So many people got fed up and I'm sad I have to mark myself onto that tally register, but I'm done for a while. (plus personal things too)

This isn't directed at you in particular but I needed to say this before I left so I can get it off my chest. ^^" It was a sort of segway.



Alright, I'll get right on it! ^^

 

[th3kuzinator]

If you want to talk to people about changing their playstyle to be less anti-town, talk to Swiss.

I don't get my enjoyment from hurting other players. I get my enjoyment from playing to win and winning. If the most reliable way to get a read on someone is to piss them off and see what they do, I'll do that.

And if you havn't noticed, the only people who I ever do it to are the people who can usually handle it and therefore actually help gets reads from. aka you and ryker.

Players changing the meta game to be more aggressive aren't at fault for players leaving. Most players leaving just up and get bored of the game. If they leave due to specific people then honestly they need to learn to adapt to the new metagame unless the person is just blatantly personally attacking them every game. What I did this game wasn't personally attacking you at all, it was taunting, which is way withing the realm of fair game.

There are players on mafia scum who only know how to play like rykerx10 and people put up with it because that type of playstyle can come along with games. They tunnel and attack the **** out of their target to the point where they pretty much suffocate under the pressure of their attacker. Compared to that I'm very very nice.

The only place in mafia you need to tone it down is in newbie games which I do respectively tone my play down considerably. In regular games you're just going to have to put up with it.

If players want to look up to me and learn to play like I do to get better, let them. Remember how my playstyle was so abrasive without direction when I first started? It's because I took my two idols, Swiss and Cello, and mixed their playstyle to make it my own. When that failed due to trial and error I adapted it to make it so I would not fail as much and I have been doing that ever since.

 

[th3kuzinator]

But enough about this playstyle talk. SWF has lost players but that is due to a lot of things unrelated to the changing meta game. We've also seen a lot of new faces lately which is always great.

As Tandora said, this talk isn't doing anything but delay the inevitable content I know you will skip out on. Your implied break from mafia, though important, means nothing to me in this thread and only serves as filler for you to keep talking without doing any real work.

 

[Tandora]

Like you quote an example to try and seem to try and back me up with my claim but say that it is very unlikely regardless.

Sorry I missed your question but my dude is Conrade and he was an actor apparantly in FF9 just like me! ^^

The reason I included the bodyguard quote is I saw several people were not familiar with the role and there's a clear example of what it is unlike some SWF specific roles made by the mod like many games here.

I am unable to find your character at all. I went to Wikipedia and the FF wiki and found nothing.

VOTE J

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

@Tandora. Go to the mafiascum.net wiki. Although it is listed under town roles, it can be either a town or scum role.

 

[#HBC | J]

J has definitely been defensive wrt my posts.

Of course I am going to be defensive to posts that personally attack me so moot point

Here you give a list of confirmed town/town reads v. people who "need to be looked into more", so no real information about where you are looking into or who you think is scummy yet. So you avoid giving out information right away.

What are you talking about July? I've been, if not, the most forward person to give information out right away. Especially if we are to bring up my claim where I brought that info to light fast as hell. Also I did say who is scummy i.e. Sang/AM and that can be determined to where I was going to be looking at when I did my re-read, no? The simple answer is yes.

This feels defensive to me because Nich brings up a valid point that if you had a huge issue with Panta possibly claiming doc, so your surprise at Nich asking about how we feel about you after TC's doc flip seems feigned. You also defend yourself by saying bodguard/doc seems like a weak doc, but I don't see anything that suggests that, it purely seems like speculation to defend yourself.

However, that's all I got July, speculation because I know for a fact I'm town jailer. How does defending myself to what seems to be an arbritary attack scummy?

This post seems to me like you are just feeling out people's reads and what's going on in their head while at the same time you haven't done this yourself, which I find suspicious and once again, invasive.

Whaaaaaaat? Girl what are you talking about? I always feel out people's reads and what's going on in their noggins because that's who I is. If i haven't done it myself, I'm looking for leads. Yet again, how is this scummy?

This is your general reads post, which I feel could have been explained in your first post instead of seperating everyone into obv/confirmed town v. not obv town. It feels like you are giving things piece by piece to avoid giving content, and in that sense it feels evasive because you just keep giving us little pieces of info but no substantiation or explanation. And I feel like that's how your Sang scum read has been all game, so that is the read I would by far like reasoning for the most.

Already explained this point I think. Alright, I'll be sure to jam pack my SangScum read very nicely.

This seems defensive. You don't acknowledge the issues with the Panta doc claim, your claim and then TC's flip, you just write it off and say to "double check a few things". But with so many people bringing up issues with this same event, it is something you need to actually address.

And now I have but then again July, how is being defensive to something like that scummy? Put yourself in my shoes.

Once again, its defensive (at this point Kuz v. J hasn't launched into the full conflict it would be) and your question to Sang is just evading the issue. Instead of explaining to Sang that it is/can be logical, you turn it back on her and ask her why it isn't logical instead, but you yourself seemed to think it couldn't be logical when Panta's claim was going on. All in all you don't address the issue because I think you realize it isn't logical either, but you can't admit that.

July, it is logical to me because I actually know what is what. I don't get how it's illogical at all because I know it's the truth so I want her to explain as such. Plus Panta's claim=/=TC's claim whatsoever.

Reason this is a question is confusing, I took this as you thought the answer was obvious. But with everything going on it was important to know why you had such an issue with Panta's claim because of TC's flip and your claim in relation to that.

I think I've explained this point throughly by now. ;P

In terms of intent wouldn't it be easier to just call hilt scum and attack him normally if AM were scum. Why call him indy specifically and then try to take the long way? If Hilt actually flipped indy it would look worse on AM that they were actually indy hunting.

You're right about them not backing up their **** which, again, has townie intent so I don't know where you're going with that.

Your thing about him not backing up his **** like his case on Seikend fits in to the above category of why would he do that as scum? The surface of everything he does is anti-town, but the intent of all his posts are townie and therefore he's town.

*the fountain of knowledge has spoken*

Just saying, you called the case on Acro full of WIFOM when this in fact, is full of "what ifs" and WIFOM.

 

[th3kuzinator]

There would not be two protectives in a game of this size. If there somehow are they are not both town aligned. Either J flips scum roleblocker or mafia jailer. Only difference between the two is that if J flips mafia jailer we're almost certainly dealing with an sk.

 

[#HBC | J]

The reason I included the bodyguard quote is I saw several people were not familiar with the role and there's a clear example of what it is unlike some SWF specific roles made by the mod like many games here.

I am unable to find your character at all. I went to Wikipedia and the FF wiki and found nothing.

VOTE J

Why did I say Conrade....

The real character's name is Marcus. x_X Wow fumbled that one and serves me right to not double check the role pm before posting it. I know for a fact he's an actor though because I thought it was cool to get him.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Okay radians, I'm here for now. I haven't been able to sit down and have myself double check my math, but whatever. I have SKIMMED these equations. Doc + Jailer makes no sense with a DayVig. Gonna vote J before leaving.

GIVE ME THE PROBLEMS THAT YOU NEED SOLVED NOW! Hell if I know when I'll have the time to do more math.

 

[th3kuzinator]

J am I scum yes or no?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Kuz, whenever I get done here, talk to me about Halloween Mafia.

 

[Tandora]

Kuz, whenever I get done here, talk to me about Halloween Mafia.

Why Halloween Mafia? Isn't that a current ongoing game? =/

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

@AM. Please don't vote J just yet. That will put him at L-1 with Tanny's vote. And we, or at least I, don't want that this early in the Day.

 

[#HBC | J]

J am I scum yes or no?

Looking over things and taking a breather to what you are doing and looking at the intent behind your posts, the conclusion I am reaching is no. I cannot see scumKuzi doing this whatsoever especially when he is going to be condemned upon my flip. It hurts your ability to survive in this game and you do not trust your other scum-mates to continue a game so you are much safer as scum and careful on who you target after a flop like KSSU. You like keeping things in your own hands so I see no scumKuzi mind thought that would lead me to believe you are scum. Plus when Soupa was still around, I really liked his posts he was giving me when I gave him a test.

The thing that was holding me back was your overly antagonistic attitude. But I guess I can be comfortable with a KuziTown.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Why did I say Conrade....

The real character's name is Marcus. x_X Wow fumbled that one and serves me right to not double check the role pm before posting it. I know for a fact he's an actor though because I thought it was cool to get him.

When did you even say your character's name? o.O

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Why Halloween Mafia? Isn't that a current ongoing game? =/

Hydra. I'm not stupid.

@AM. Please don't vote J just yet. That will put him at L-1 with Tanny's vote. And we, or at least I, don't want that this early in the Day.

Before I leave, yadda yadda.

I saw plenty of *****ing about me and no one seems to want to actually ask me for anything.

 

[#HBC | J]

When did you even say your character's name? o.O

1534.

Also I agree, please do not end the day so quickly! I really wanna try and get some info out and I really do not wanna go out without fighting >.<" Especially considering this is one of my last games so please let me have that.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Looking over things and taking a breather to what you are doing and looking at the intent behind your posts, the conclusion I am reaching is no. I cannot see scumKuzi doing this whatsoever especially when he is going to be condemned upon my flip. It hurts your ability to survive in this game and you do not trust your other scum-mates to continue a game so you are much safer as scum and careful on who you target after a flop like KSSU. You like keeping things in your own hands so I see no scumKuzi mind thought that would lead me to believe you are scum. Plus when Soupa was still around, I really liked his posts he was giving me when I gave him a test.

The thing that was holding me back was your overly antagonistic attitude. But I guess I can be comfortable with a KuziTown.

Would rather Tandora respond about this than Kuz. What is J doing here?

 

[#HBC | J]

Would rather Tandora respond about this than Kuz. What is J doing here?

Ooooh no you don't! I know exactly what card you are trying to pull.

I want Tanny's answer, but the fact you are implying such a thing is meh. >.<

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

What's he doing there too?

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

I saw plenty of *****ing about me and no one seems to want to actually ask me for anything.

I had asked questions earlier and they had qualmed me slightly but it didn't do anything to take away my suspicion of you. Regardless, what do you think of the argument between Kuzi and J? What are your reads on J and why? Who are your other scum reads?

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

I am unable to find your character at all. I went to Wikipedia and the FF wiki and found nothing.

That makes a lot more sense now that I see he claimed his character -_- sorry bout that.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

I had asked questions earlier and they had qualmed me slightly but it didn't do anything to take away my suspicion of you. Regardless, what do you think of the argument between Kuzi and J? What are your reads on J and why? Who are your other scum reads?

Kuz and J are not aligned. I can say that with one hundred percent certainty.

J is scum as he has always been scum. He's been buddying and AtEing for no other purpose than to do it. His claim does NOTHING to fix that. I've pointed out in places where I was active where J's posts were gross.

Tandora and July. TCat case had merit.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

EBWOP: TCat's case.

 

[#HBC | J]

Kuz and J are not aligned. I can say that with one hundred percent certainty.

J is scum as he has always been scum. He's been buddying and AtEing for no other purpose than to do it. His claim does NOTHING to fix that. I've pointed out in places where I was active where J's posts were gross.

Tandora and July. TCat case had merit.

Buddying/AtE=/=scummy and no I haven't been doing it for no other purpose. If anything, I do it because it makes the game more enjoyable. And no you haven't shown why you believe I am scum anywhere which you need to fix.