Final Fantasy IX Mafia | Game over! | Who won? :o

[th3kuzinator]

hi. literally havn't had anytime to do anything mafia related in around 10 days because of school. about to run to a class so i can't even say anything extensive. tandora was my scum pick yesterday and nothing has changed since then so i'd be down to hammer.

my activity will still be really spotty for awhile though. college is kicking me in the balls.

 

[th3kuzinator]

quickly skimmed this day, was alot shorter than I thought it would be.

we're waiting on nothing. everyone wants tandora dead. tandora says she wants time to make a ryker case but hasnt been doing squat. no one plans on switching anyway. i dont even know if ill have time to be here to hammer before deadline. this weekend is gonna be crazy...

vote: tandora

Spoiler

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Day 4 ends!

Tandora [Baku - Vanilla Townie] has been lynched

Night 4 begins!
Send in all Night Actions until Monday, September 5th!

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Day 5 begins!

...the next day was darker than usual. The summer was about to pass and the sun could not be seen through the clouds and the mist. Inside the castle the atmosphere was dark too - with all these hints and all that evidence gathered there were still no signs of an opposing party and yet the killing streak through the night continued. Not only that - the attendants of this fiasco - which started from what was supposed to be a harmless birthday party for the princess - had to deal with the decreasing amount of people that were willing and able to help. Too many had died in the nights or being wrongfully accused of being involved in the killings.

As if this wasn't enough an all too familiar figure was found dead in the outskirts of Alexandria in the meantime.

Hilt [Princess Garnet - Town Vigilante] has been killed during the night!


Was this the lowest point? Could it possibly become even worse from now on? The successor to the throne of Alexandria was killed only a few days after regent Cid lost some of his most capable men in Zidane and Baku - the prospects for the future of the main Kingdoms were looking worse and worse the more people thought about it. And there was still an unknown party that increases in power in the meantime - as the people kept dying in the castle and city of Alexandria.


Day 5 begins - Deadline, Monday 12th September
With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch!

Not Voting: July, Aggressive Mediation, JTB, th3kuzinator, Nicholas1024, SangfroidWarrior;

 

[JTB]

Massclaim time?

 

[th3kuzinator]

in the library. 4 hours of hw a night. nbd.

but seriously college is hard D:

with the numbers today is probably mylo so massclaim time is a definite yes.

1. sang
2. nich
3. july
4. ryker
5. kuz

make dem lists

 

[JTB]

Sang, ryker, july,nich, kuz for me

 

[th3kuzinator]

and i already considered the possibility of NLing and its a dumb idea. they'll just pick off jtb.

 

[th3kuzinator]

just from what i remember i honestly couldn't imagine seeing scum be anyone other than sang or tandora. now that tando has popped town i honestly don't see any other alternative to the sang lynch.

ryker is so obvtown it hurts. called j out as scum way before anyone else had even considered him and called him out for the correct reasons. its one thing to just randomly cast suspicion on someone but ryker actually drew attention to glaring inconsistencies in J's play at a time when that wasn't necessary.

july and nich are about equal with me in terms of town-ness. in many of nich's large catchup posts he blatantly defended J and gave him way more pro-town credit that scum should feel comfortable doing in thread. that and he was also the first person to suggest that j should be shot when a time when he didn't really need to do that. a thing i don't like about his play, though, is that he came into yesterDay with a tandora case already in the works. it just felt like he had prepared for what had to happen that day ahead of time.

july is an odd one mostly because of the **** revolving around her interaction with tcat. i was sure i had found the scum between them when we lynched tcat but her doc flip really shook up my view on the interaction. honestly i think tcat was reaching in her case against july and july responded to it well. i do like her thought process wrt ryker calling hilt an indy which mirrored mine directly. i also remember liking her call out j directly for trying to kneejerk that hilt read. i don't like that she was so willing to go along with J's acroscum case which was just so bad you'd have to be braindead to accept (something July isn't by any means) and her posting style. townJuly is really forward and honest about a lot of things in thread. honestly just transparent as anything. i feel her play this game has been a little more reserved and contemplating. saving everything she says to large catchup posts, not constantly updating her read pool, playing proatively etc. I don't know how much of this is just inactivity vs intentional shady play but something about it just strikes me as off. something akin to the vibe i got in Dgray where everything she was actually saying made sense but the underlying vibe was weird.

jtb is confirmed town

wam bam bammina

 

[th3kuzinator]

all of that was without a re-read and just from memory. i definetly need to re-read this game to be sure of my lynch decision, though. I won't have that much time to actually just sink into the game until the weekend unfortunately. I've already wasted too much time as it is writing the above post, gotta get back to work.

but yeah do them lists up

 

[Nicholas1024]

Right, I'm good with mass claims. My list would be

1. Sang
2. Ryker
3. July
4. kuz

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Vote Sang

Sang claims, then July, then me.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Kuz, I'm scared your indy, but if you are, then whatever. I can't get you and still have town beat scum.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Mostly because your big one reminds me of Touhou.

Nich is confirmed town.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I'm not indy unfortunately. I'd really be kicking *** if that were the case.

Why're you voting in a potential mylo situation?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Mostly because your big one reminds me of Touhou.

Nich is confirmed town.

Why?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Why're you voting in a potential mylo situation?

Why?

Same reason.

Use your head and you can figure it out.

 

[th3kuzinator]

i dont have the intellectual capacity to figure it out.

i guess ill just twiddle my thumbs until it comes to me

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Because that strategy works for you.

/sarcasm

July/Sang claims. On second thought, order really doesn't matter to me.

 

[th3kuzinator]

yeah i guess im not sprite on aib, huh?

someday

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

If I get on Skype for a few minutes, will you have time to talk?

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Nich is confirmed town.

Same question. Why? You can't be claiming cop because Acro already flipped.

I think Ryker (AM) should claim first, then July, then Kuzi, then Nich.

 

[July]

My preferred order of claims is:

Sang
Nich
Ryker
Kuz

Deff Sang then Nich, after that Ryker and Kuz both are pretty strong town reads so I don't care which order they claim in.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Well sang is first by all accounts. Claim please.

I'll tally the rest.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Too bad Sang, claim. You too, July.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Sang - 5
July - 13
ryker - 13
Nich - 16
Kuz - 26

 

[th3kuzinator]

Some of the preferences were mixed up though due to numbers. Everyone should do another one that includes themselves.

Sang is still unconditionally claiming first, though, so get on that.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Stilzkin, Town Vanilla.

Mine still stands though. Ryker, July, Kuzi, Nich, and me.

 

[th3kuzinator]

i basically need clarification from ryker's list

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

@Ryker. I'd still like an answer unless you plan on doing so when you claim. I wonder, though, why you didn't include Kuzi in that list. Obviously you're saying that Nich is cleared town, but you even put out suspicion of Kuz being indy, however light it might have been. Why?

@JTB. You being the only confirmed town, who do you think scum could be? Should I take from your list that it is me and Ryker, or do you have other scum picks and those are just the ones you are most curious about?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Never-mind I tallied it again even if they did complete it July and Ryker would be tied.

One of you just claim. Doesn't really matter who. Then the other then nich then me

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

@Ryker. I'd still like an answer unless you plan on doing so when you claim. I wonder, though, why you didn't include Kuzi in that list. Obviously you're saying that Nich is cleared town, but you even put out suspicion of Kuz being indy, however light it might have been. Why?

Because it doesn't matter. Kuz isn't mafia. He's either town or indy and it makes absolutely no difference which it is in what I do.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Alright, let's shake this up.

I think Ryker's bussing Sang, and here's why.

First as to Sang-scum, a lot of my points were listed yesterday with his odd interactions between him and J. However, I'd also like to note (again, see my big post yesterday), some of his odd interactions with Ryker. There were times when Ryker/AM CLEARLY said "This slot disagrees with us and therefore is scum", or "This slot agrees with us and is therefore town", and although Sang called out J for doing such things, he never touched Ryker doing that sort of thing, DESPITE it being much more prevalent with Ryker (in fact, during D1 that was basically the only reasoning AM ever gave as to why a slot was town/scum.) Sang's defense to all this is basically "Out of game buddies with J, personal joke and such". That completely unverifiable, there is simply no way for us to know, and it makes for a rather unconvincing defense. By the way Sang, thanks for pointing out that my point against you being J's scum buddy was mafia, it helped me reevaluate.

Now, the way this plays in with Ryker is in his interactions with J (and the points with Sang I've outlined above). There's been shots back and forth of "Yeah, he's scum", but with the math talk that he'd been playing with, he wasn't about to change the lynch. (Tell it to me straight, would any of you vote someone who was the #1 consensus townie at the time based off of stuff like "This post is GARBAGE! He's scum!"? ANYONE?)

I'd also like to note Ryker being the #1 townie for kuz seals him a win after Sang lynches, especially if Ryker busses him hard. (Sang's getting lynched today almost certainly, so Ryker's best play is to hard bus and play it for town points.) I also don't like Ryker buddying me with "Nick's confirmed town" when he had me as scummy yesterday. I know he said I was scum if and only if Tand flipped scum, but he never backed it up (despite requests to do so), and he knows my case making ability makes me dangerous if I latch on to someone.

TLDR: (Although seriously, if you couldn't read THAT bit that I shrunk down to BE readable, I shudder to think what you'd do with one of my big cases) The Ryker/Sang/J scum team plan was to distance, have J claim and get a mislynch on a PR (like with that whole doc thing D2, J didn't need to claim there), and then have Ryker get major town points off of his J suspicion.

Anyway, I'm going to go ahead and claim since I'm using my ability now.

Town executioner. I can force a lynch to happen at L/2 or higher. My point in doing this is two-fold.

1) I'm extremely certain of my Sang-scum read, and as it's lynch correctly or lose anyway, I want to ensure what I'm positive is a correct lynch (and Ryker's unlikely to get lynched today even with my power)

2) It proves that I'm not scum, since I could easily just joint with my scum mate to win at this point. This means that when we go into tomorrow, we'll have essentially 2 cleared townies (from me/kuz/JTB after the NK), plus Ryker and July, who's been pretty obv-town. If I die, then that incriminates Ryker (since why would July want me dead aside from using it as a WIFOM argument?), while if I'm alive I have a whole day to push why he's scummy over July. Win/win.

So, in accordance...

Vote: Sang

Lynch: Sang

@Sang
Just a tip, for future games you should probably avoid odd interactions like directly asking a player how you can appear more townie to them. It's good to learn like that in post game, but doing it WITHIN a game makes you look suspicious, like you're buddying up to them. (Not to mention if they're not town, you're not going to get any good advice.)

 

[th3kuzinator]

What the **** is going on I dont even.

 

[th3kuzinator]

July is scum if not sang I dont see where you're going with ryker at all.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Okay, clarifying, am I already dead then? Because, if so, I'm not even going to bother responding. At first I was assuming that you could kill somebody as well as vote for somebody else, but re-reading I'm just confused.

 

[th3kuzinator]

He claimed executioner which is basically a dayvig that needs 1/2 the votes before use.

So yeah you're dead. What're you flipping?

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Oh well. Still going with it.

First as to Sang-scum, a lot of my points were listed yesterday with his odd interactions between him and J.

Can I clear this up first? I'm a girl, and would appreciate being called as such. Thanks.

However, I'd also like to note (again, see my big post yesterday), some of his odd interactions with Ryker. There were times when Ryker/AM CLEARLY said "This slot disagrees with us and therefore is scum", or "This slot agrees with us and is therefore town", and although Sang called out J for doing such things, he never touched Ryker doing that sort of thing, DESPITE it being much more prevalent with Ryker (in fact, during D1 that was basically the only reasoning AM ever gave as to why a slot was town/scum.) Sang's defense to all this is basically "Out of game buddies with J, personal joke and such". That completely unverifiable, there is simply no way for us to know, and it makes for a rather unconvincing defense.

Woah. When did I ever try to solely use that as a defense? I had not called Ryker out on it because AM was using a faked posting-restriction that made it hard for me to understand. If I was scum with both J and Ryker, why would I do it to one and not the other? To me, Ryker was often saying, "This slot has the same reads but is stupid" or simply "I like this slot's reads."

By the way Sang, thanks for pointing out that my point against you being J's scum buddy was mafia, it helped me reevaluate.

What? Explain, because I'm confused.

Now, the way this plays in with Ryker is in his interactions with J (and the points with Sang I've outlined above). There's been shots back and forth of "Yeah, he's scum", but with the math talk that he'd been playing with, he wasn't about to change the lynch. (Tell it to me straight, would any of you vote someone who was the #1 consensus townie at the time based off of stuff like "This post is GARBAGE! He's scum!"? ANYONE?)

I know this is pointed at Ryker but I don't understand this point you are making. Rephrase please.

Anyway, I'm going to go ahead and claim since I'm using my ability now.

Town executioner. I can force a lynch to happen at L/2 or higher. My point in doing this is two-fold.

1) I'm extremely certain of my Sang-scum read, and as it's lynch correctly or lose anyway, I want to ensure what I'm positive is a correct lynch (and Ryker's unlikely to get lynched today even with my power)

2) It proves that I'm not scum, since I could easily just joint with my scum mate to win at this point. This means that when we go into tomorrow, we'll have essentially 2 cleared townies (from me/kuz/JTB after the NK), plus Ryker and July, who's been pretty obv-town. If I die, then that incriminates Ryker (since why would July want me dead aside from using it as a WIFOM argument?), while if I'm alive I have a whole day to push why he's scummy over July. Win/win.

If you are really town you just made the worst decision ever. Really? You don't even allow for discussion? That is the scummiest thing I've ever heard. Executioner can be either a town or scum role, and the way you just played it makes it seem like you are scum.

@Sang
Just a tip, for future games you should probably avoid odd interactions like directly asking a player how you can appear more townie to them. It's good to learn like that in post game, but doing it WITHIN a game makes you look suspicious, like you're buddying up to them. (Not to mention if they're not town, you're not going to get any good advice.)

When did I ever do this? I may have jokingly did it at some point but I don't ever remember doing that.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

@Kuzi. I'm flipping town. Lolz for getting lynched for the first time in forum mafia twice in one day. I think that is a record, and one I'm not proud of.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I claim comparison cop. Nich and Tandora are aligned. J and Hilt weren't aligned. Sang and July are aligned and have to be scum because of it.