no doubttttttt.
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FGD~ Time to get SHTL done
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Zephil
Smash Ace
no, sometimes I get thirsty after playing so much so I would probably prefer to look for a drink...
and then tie my shoes
and then tie my shoes
Sukai
Smash Champion
Lightning93
Smash Champion
Lol that's some crazy stuff Skye.
Also, when an MK planks, I prefer to call em' "Honky," then ask them the same question over and over again. Trust me, they'll get sick of the repetition and avoid doing the same thing over and over again.
Also, when an MK planks, I prefer to call em' "Honky," then ask them the same question over and over again. Trust me, they'll get sick of the repetition and avoid doing the same thing over and over again.
law l
Toronto Joe
Smash Master
velcro is much more suitable for the situation i would think, the shoes that light up when they touch the ground wouldnt hurt either
Sukai
Smash Champion
I discovered that Marths **** me as Fox.
Ankoku two stocked me, and Dogma destroyed me increasingly as we kept going, but it was like past midnight by then.
Sleepy Johns. Never be on the edge of a stage at 0-24% when fighting Marth. Forward Throw chaingrab to spike = I'd rather fight Sheik.
But my Zelda does surprisingly well.
Ankoku two stocked me, and Dogma destroyed me increasingly as we kept going, but it was like past midnight by then.
Sleepy Johns. Never be on the edge of a stage at 0-24% when fighting Marth. Forward Throw chaingrab to spike = I'd rather fight Sheik.
But my Zelda does surprisingly well.
Sukai
Smash Champion
Not all the time, he's good, but not "omg dont fuq wit him" good. He ***** me twice, with Sheik and Marth, we did at least 8 matches and aside from those embarrassments, we were same level and won an equal amount of matches, **** matches included.
M@v
Subarashii!
I don't fight marth with spacies. 0-death if you **** up early, no thanks.
Exceladon City
Smash Hero
You *****es don't know how to survive spikes or camp platforms...
Lightning93
Smash Champion
The question itself doesn't matter. Think of something ridiculous, but ask it like you mean it.
Zephil
Smash Ace
I don´t have much problems against Marth. I know about his cg to spacies bus just dont be too close to the edge when you are at low %s and even if he spike you, is not 0%, you can go back to the stage. My partner in doubles is the best Marth in Panama called Ayen, is really good (you can see some of his matches in the Marth Boards I think) and most of our matches are really close but I win like 60% of the time.
Lightning93
Smash Champion
Lol Marth to Fox matchup ratio solved for us. 60:40 Marth.
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
I really prefer playing against Marth with Sheik/Zelda.
I hate playing Marths, tho. >.<
I hate playing Marths, tho. >.<
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
I hate playing Marth, I used to not have a good character to use against Marth, but now I've got a reasonable MK.
The thing is, Marth dittos are the most annoying dittos in the world, they're not epic like Ganondorf, and they're not sudden deaths like DDD. They're just boring and annoying and I suck at them.
I used to play Zelda-Shiek against Marths... then I found out I could up-b out of the tilts, good for playing Shiek, bad for playing Marth.
Conviction
Human Nature
I did horrible at the tourney made 2nd to last.... got gayed in loser's brackets by MK at Rainbow Cruise.
Sukai
Smash Champion
No Johns, above and beyond.
MK is all hype I swear. I two stocked Ankoku's MK, because he refused to fight my Fox with Sheik.
It's seriously not that hard of a match up, totally doable for Fox. I'm changing my ratio to 65:35, if Marth is 70:30--he's way harder than MK.
Sukai
Smash Champion
Ankoku doesn't play a lot of characters, that doesn't stop him from playing them well.
Levitas
the moon
He doesn't play MK well. Please believe us.
Conviction
Human Nature
What Zhamy is saying basically is usually a MK main/secondary should be better than some person trying to play MK.
EDIT: I'm guessing that's one of his friends saying his MK is not well so......
EDIT: I'm guessing that's one of his friends saying his MK is not well so......
Sukai
Smash Champion
Considering I two stocked him, I could believe that. I still say he's all hype.
Levitas
the moon
This is called basing an argument on credibility. It's fairly common, and relies on certain things to be legit.
For example, it relies on your experience being relevant. This means that you and ankoku must both be playing at a sufficiently high level in all cases mentioned. Without this being a true case, your entire argument about the matchups being brought up, your entire argument falls apart.
This was the WORST thing you could have done unless you felt like stabbing yourself in the back. Now you have no right to claim that MK is a good matchup unless you have some better, more compelling evidence that for some reason you didn't feel the need to bring up in your first post.
I have never seen anyone tear apart their OWN argument so efficiently before. You aggressively attacked the flawed premise. If your argument is so weak that you yourself are fully willing to contradict it so easily, why should I listen to any of your arguments?
And we told you, ankoku's MK sucks. You'll note that he's not known for his MK.
Sukai
Smash Champion
Does Judge count?
:P
:P
Levitas
the moon
Judge is not an argument.
feel free to explain yourself.
I don't really feel like hanging around here, so don't take it personally if I don't see your response.
feel free to explain yourself.
I don't really feel like hanging around here, so don't take it personally if I don't see your response.
Sukai
Smash Champion
lol zhamy
I've played Judge's MK. Is that worth anything?
Conviction
Human Nature
I think I found something big! :D I gots lots of testing to now!
EDIT: so here's the deal, most of foxes moves would combo together if they didn't have as much knockback, I think aerial shines would combo in nair and dair if there was not as much knockback.
Well, so far I see that when some one is shielding knockback of moves decrease greatly or not-existance(I think everyone else sees that too). I've testing these things first to make sure it was valid, low % Nair to Jab is a combo cause there is low knockback, and if your doing the JJC correctly you should be getting a true combo with 2 hits, but thought that too obvious an smart opponet would never let you SH that whole lenght so you can use the Nair correctly for it combo in jab while they are shielding. So I needed something that would cancel my aerial momentum, AND shine does that and is a fast move comes out on frame 4 I believe....so anyways I thought hmm jump shine cancel then Nair, good news for people not named king dedede or tether grabbers can't grab you when you shine>Nair thier shield cause it pushes them too far back. Strange as this seems fox's jab has more range than his Nair (here comes the good stuff) you can jab there shield when you land as that would have been a true combo at percents ranging from 0-50%(not sure it's to 50 but sure it's to 30%) so they can't grab between the Nair and Jab either, and JJC is a two hit combo as I metioned before so that would mean another free hit on thier shield, but you would think that you got back into grabbing range, well during all of this they're sliding back slowing in thier shield! Gonna make a thread with more info on this though so... that's it for now. Fox shield pressure game I think I should call it?
EDIT: so here's the deal, most of foxes moves would combo together if they didn't have as much knockback, I think aerial shines would combo in nair and dair if there was not as much knockback.
Well, so far I see that when some one is shielding knockback of moves decrease greatly or not-existance(I think everyone else sees that too). I've testing these things first to make sure it was valid, low % Nair to Jab is a combo cause there is low knockback, and if your doing the JJC correctly you should be getting a true combo with 2 hits, but thought that too obvious an smart opponet would never let you SH that whole lenght so you can use the Nair correctly for it combo in jab while they are shielding. So I needed something that would cancel my aerial momentum, AND shine does that and is a fast move comes out on frame 4 I believe....so anyways I thought hmm jump shine cancel then Nair, good news for people not named king dedede or tether grabbers can't grab you when you shine>Nair thier shield cause it pushes them too far back. Strange as this seems fox's jab has more range than his Nair (here comes the good stuff) you can jab there shield when you land as that would have been a true combo at percents ranging from 0-50%(not sure it's to 50 but sure it's to 30%) so they can't grab between the Nair and Jab either, and JJC is a two hit combo as I metioned before so that would mean another free hit on thier shield, but you would think that you got back into grabbing range, well during all of this they're sliding back slowing in thier shield! Gonna make a thread with more info on this though so... that's it for now. Fox shield pressure game I think I should call it?
Zephil
Smash Ace
give a clue at least
GwJ
Smash Hero
Iblis hit puberty.
@knuxrouge
A long time ago Bowyer beat my Meta Knight with Captain Falcon. I've long since made sure to keep my Meta Knight around in case I wanted to drop out of rotation or something without having to pick some horrible low tier and be obvious that I'm trying to lose.
By the way, I refused to play your Fox with Sheik because it's not a matchup that should even exist. Considering I 2-stocked your Fox with Marth, I'd say you're not quite ready.
A long time ago Bowyer beat my Meta Knight with Captain Falcon. I've long since made sure to keep my Meta Knight around in case I wanted to drop out of rotation or something without having to pick some horrible low tier and be obvious that I'm trying to lose.
By the way, I refused to play your Fox with Sheik because it's not a matchup that should even exist. Considering I 2-stocked your Fox with Marth, I'd say you're not quite ready.
Sukai
Smash Champion
I shall provoke you! Until I fight your Sheik with Fox!!!! If you were Anther and picked Pikachu, I would have still picked Fox. They were friendlies for one, two, play to learn, right? I've never fought a Sheik with Fox, so I'd like to establish a true opinion of my own on the match up, instead of bandwagoning on others.
Please?
@Iblis: JUMP-MOTHER****ING-CANCELLED SHINE!? I mentioned that months ago, and everyone ragged on it. That's it, fuq dees fox boreds.
Beat my Marth in two games and I'll consider it. I usually play friendlies for whatever and fun, though. Which is why I avoid dumb matchups unless I don't know how to abuse them (lol how does Falco work).
Keep in mind, all I did with Marth was read you 40 times until you lost your stock. With Sheik I only have to get 4 reads (3 for getting you to 30%, 1 for starting a tilt lock).
Keep in mind, all I did with Marth was read you 40 times until you lost your stock. With Sheik I only have to get 4 reads (3 for getting you to 30%, 1 for starting a tilt lock).
Sukai
Smash Champion
I accept your challenge!
Conviction
Human Nature
Really I must of missed that one.... well maybe you can help me with this then Knux
Sukai
Smash Champion
I read it, that's how I know it involves a move I talked about and it was shunned in classic Fox boards fashion.