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Falco's spike - ineffective?
- Thread starter sasook
- Start date
Onomanic
Heaven Piercer
Meh the match up may increase to a 55:45 but it will still be in Falco's favor. His lazers still gimp. :/ But it makes it easier to be CGed by the ledge ^_^
Ritch
Smash Journeyman
Falcon doesnt have lazers silly, lol
I will be practicing this soon, offline and online. I'm pretty sure Link can do it since its just teching
Ray_Kalm
Smash Master
It's possible for anyone who can ledge hop. Yeah, this could turn out to be very helpful at higher levels of play.
NintenJoe
Smash Ace
yo, sir, have made me a happy man.
:D
:D
ExCeL 52
Smash Lord
Nice find man .. Good job .. It would help but falco would still be in favor..
KirinBlaze
Smash Lord
I figured when I saw this I should show the Link players first Ich Bin's Xat chat, ftw.
This is too good, it's really going to help my Link in tourneys.
This is too good, it's really going to help my Link in tourneys.
Onomanic
Heaven Piercer
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Deleted member
Guest
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i'm hoping this is a toke jopic
T_T
i'm hoping this is a toke jopic
Why do you say that? It's a serious topic.
Onomanic
Heaven Piercer
Nope. The video is real. But I would suppose the master of DI would know this XD
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Deleted member
Guest
its because this is old, but difficult to do 100% of the time
i get out of IC's dthrow > nana fair CG by SDI'ing the same way
Blubba_Pinecone
Smash Ace
It's made of win, but it's simultaneously made of epic difficulty to do consistantly in a battle. So cool, and hope I have the proper reaction time for it. lol
XxBlackxX
Smash Ace
oh no word got out!
lol haha j/k.
it does add more "mindgames" though, for examples, falcos can cg, then run off and NOT spike, if you expect a spike and SDI, you may end up doing a fair and edgehogged anyway. either way, it may hurt falcos at first but hopefully good for the metagame.
lol haha j/k.
it does add more "mindgames" though, for examples, falcos can cg, then run off and NOT spike, if you expect a spike and SDI, you may end up doing a fair and edgehogged anyway. either way, it may hurt falcos at first but hopefully good for the metagame.
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You know, it would've been nice if like, you could have brought this to our attention earlier....in the NUMEROUS falco matchup discussions....just saying...
Even if it's old, I didn't see anything about it here, so I figured let's post it.
Legan
Smash Lord
Nice job bringing this to everyones attention. Arkives right, this can also be done with the iceclimbers chaingrab spike.
FEaR.7
Smash Journeyman
I saw this yesterday at the Falco boards, certainly very helpul but Im gonna need to try it out/practice to see how consistetly I can pull it off.
I've heard of it before but I hadn't seen it till now.
I've heard of it before but I hadn't seen it till now.
Vonzar the Soulrender
4th Dimensional Horror
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I'm gonna need a second player to help me practice this but everyone is busy right now...
Ritch
Smash Journeyman
Well trying this online is seriously fail, and its really hard to do lol
ill try it offline when my friend comes over
ill try it offline when my friend comes over
Dingding123
Smash Journeyman
:O
...wha...
:O
Wow...this...this alone takes falco down a tier or two, now that all chars that can be easily gimped have a fighting chance against him. As a matter of fact, considering I've lost entire matches before solely due to a falco's CG to spike to edgehog/footstool, I'd say this might almost, if not entirely, even out the matchup between link/ike and falco. Just as long as u were FRIGGIN GOOD at this.
Now to find something that nerfs fox...xD
...wha...
:O
Wow...this...this alone takes falco down a tier or two, now that all chars that can be easily gimped have a fighting chance against him. As a matter of fact, considering I've lost entire matches before solely due to a falco's CG to spike to edgehog/footstool, I'd say this might almost, if not entirely, even out the matchup between link/ike and falco. Just as long as u were FRIGGIN GOOD at this.
Now to find something that nerfs fox...xD
KirinBlaze
Smash Lord
Yeah it's gonna be tough to do online. I say just practice it offline and save it for those in person tournaments.
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Deleted member
Guest
3 things
after actually sitting down and perfecting this, it is like the easiest thing ever
at 45% you can DI out of the chaingrab so don't even try for the tech at that % (that would be the 5th and final throw for you who don't know)
even if somehow you do miss the tech (lol) you can just meteor cancel it, which takes another 5 seconds of your life to learn
after actually sitting down and perfecting this, it is like the easiest thing ever
at 45% you can DI out of the chaingrab so don't even try for the tech at that % (that would be the 5th and final throw for you who don't know)
even if somehow you do miss the tech (lol) you can just meteor cancel it, which takes another 5 seconds of your life to learn
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That's a very strong post. Could you please go a little more in depth about those 3 things?
Metro Knight
Smash Ace
If you get this reaction, you win.
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Deleted member
Guest
ok unless the falco player somehow gets perfect spacing on the last throw before the spike you don't have to SDI. if your % is UNDER 45% on the throw before the spike just hold back and tech normally. if your % is 45% or higher DI away. the only time you have to SDI is if you get grabbed while you're teetering on the ledge.
meteor canceling in this game is sort of different than meteor canceling in melee, you don't have the meteor glow **** coming off of you after you meteor cancel in this game.
(this sentence deserves its own line) to meteor cancel jump or up b once hit stun ends. link has a fairly small window to meteor cancel and survive but its easy once you practice it.
@ legan: you're right you can tech the IC spike but i was talking about getting out of the chaingrab, not hte spike.
if the IC you're fighting does the popo dthrow, nana spike, regrab whenever nana hits you with the fair tap both sticks back and you should land behind them.
meteor canceling in this game is sort of different than meteor canceling in melee, you don't have the meteor glow **** coming off of you after you meteor cancel in this game.
(this sentence deserves its own line) to meteor cancel jump or up b once hit stun ends. link has a fairly small window to meteor cancel and survive but its easy once you practice it.
@ legan: you're right you can tech the IC spike but i was talking about getting out of the chaingrab, not hte spike.
if the IC you're fighting does the popo dthrow, nana spike, regrab whenever nana hits you with the fair tap both sticks back and you should land behind them.
Deva
Smash Lord
Also if the CG goes to the very edge and your below 40 there's a chance even with sdi you wont make it close enough to the stage to tech it :/
This is like, really old melee stuff, no one does it in Brawl cuz of how much harder it is though. I mean, if your in the situation and have no other choice go for it, it's just pretty tough to pull off.
This is like, really old melee stuff, no one does it in Brawl cuz of how much harder it is though. I mean, if your in the situation and have no other choice go for it, it's just pretty tough to pull off.
This post deserves an award in it of itself.
*sasook's seal of approval*
Ok so under 45%, hold the control stick towards the stage and tech, and 45% or higher, hold away from the stage so avoid the spike?
And thanks for the Nana tip.
Metro Knight
Smash Ace
What if someone like D3 or DK spikes you with the throw or the b-air? It seems like it would be way more useful versus someone who relies on a stage spike. I definitely use walls and stuff to cancel things in weegee's mansion, so why not versus those 2 nasty spikes.
Teching when someone tries to stage spike is.....just teching. Nothing really special about it, you just need quick reflexes.
Teching on the stage against a spike that isn't meant for you to hit the stage in the first place, is something else entirely.
Teching on the stage against a spike that isn't meant for you to hit the stage in the first place, is something else entirely.
Khaoz
Smash Journeyman
This forum makes me =)
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Deleted member
Guest
i got to practice against an IC main in my crew today and its just as easy as falco's tech if anybody wanted to know
o btw after you tech the spike jump back onto the stage as fast as you can, if you don't tech jump and jump back onto the stage you can still be edge guarded
o btw after you tech the spike jump back onto the stage as fast as you can, if you don't tech jump and jump back onto the stage you can still be edge guarded
Metro Knight
Smash Ace
like wall teching versus a stage spike isn't the meteor cancel thing? I thought he was just wall teching. Can you wall tech D3's bair or DK's throw in smashville?
Solution, don't get grabbed.
Impossible you say?
Then don't get grabbed without a bomb. Always have a bomb and always bomb spam.
Metro Knight
Smash Ace
The bomb solution does not always work in your favor, sometimes they just hold you out there and you take damage and they just throw you some more....
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Deleted member
Guest
what the hell are you talking about
that was the dumbest thing i've heard in a while
its impossible to NOT get grabbed, you have to be fighting somebody terrible for them not to grab you at least once. i hit with the tip of link's sword every time and i still get grabbed enough to inflict an *** load of damage by D3 and IC
Metro Knight
Smash Ace
Ok, so you know when you hit a wall and hold l/r and it stops the bounce, can you do that in smashville versus the angled ramp thing? U know the d3 bair or the dk throw spike on the stage? Can you cancel the bounce?
In the video he is totally doing it versus Falco's spike. So, why can't you do that versus d3 or DK?
In the video he is totally doing it versus Falco's spike. So, why can't you do that versus d3 or DK?