Falco+ ~Hands Off My Prey!~ Under Construction! Upgrading to 7.0

[ToxiCrow]

I think i may hav converted to Falco.
I love his new shine buff. shine comboes are so awesome and they really make falco into an even greater character than he was before

i support the shinebuff. and i think i'll come to this thread more often to learn from you guys

 

[Dan_X]

I think i may hav converted to Falco.
I love his new shine buff. shine comboes are so awesome and they really make falco into an even greater character than he was before

i support the shinebuff. and i think i'll come to this thread more often to learn from you guys

Glad to hear it! I'll be updating the OP shortly! :D

 

[Rudra]

So, the Shine buff...I had some time to play around with it recently, and I gotta say that it really does complete Falco, though I think the electrical effect may need to be fixed. Otherwise, its pretty sweet. His bread has never been fresher. ^-^

 

[Swordplay]

what I wish.

Falco's shine pushes you out when he kicks it out.

And it pulls you in when he brings it back in.


It would make logical sense to me but whatever......Falco is so **** IMO. Only 1 projectile and the best spam game in brawl. A sick combo game. And a Brooklyn accent.

I've been playin him a lot recently.

 

[Dan_X]

So, the Shine buff...I had some time to play around with it recently, and I gotta say that it really does complete Falco, though I think the electrical effect may need to be fixed. Otherwise, its pretty sweet. His bread has never been fresher. ^-^

Yeah, it's a nice addition. By electrical effect, you mean the noise? :D

what I wish.

Falco's shine pushes you out when he kicks it out.

And it pulls you in when he brings it back in.

I really don't think that would work as well as you think it would. For one, that would basically be the old shine. Without the pull in. If it pushed you away, it would never connect with the pull back when it comes back. When does the shine ever hit someone on the return as opposed to the deployment?

It's pretty solid the way it is now!

Falco's fun to play, huh?

 

[Thunderhorse+]

what I wish.

Falco's shine pushes you out when he kicks it out.

And it pulls you in when he brings it back in..

Regardless of whether the idea is good or not, it is impossible to do at the moment. There is no hitbox on the shine during its return, and the BR cannot add or alter hitboxes that aren't there to begin with. It's a shame; I had a quirky idea for the shine myself, though it's not nearly as badass as the new shine is currently.

Falco mains at BtL represent! Hope to see you guys there.

 

[King Funk]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=234193

This thread is menacing our new shine. Please come and help me support the new shine. I've written a very long post to defend it already.

 

[Kuga]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=234193

This thread is menacing our new shine. Please come and help me support the new shine. I've written a very long post to defend it already.

Oh my god,relax man LOL

 

[Rudra]

Oh my god,relax man LOL

Well, the shine did bring about a new amount of depth and actually became more useful that just a tool to reflect projectiles (just as Fox can stall and Wolf can combo break), so I doubt that this will end without much resistance.

 

[Dan_X]

Don't worry. I just saw the thread, I'm defending the new shine too...

EDIT:

Okay, I posted regarding Falco in said thread! Check out here, post # 105

Oh my god,relax man LOL

Honestly Kuga, you claim to main Falco, but I really don't feel that you know what you're talking about half the time. You have little credibility in my book...

 

[Kuga]

Relax Orca,relax.

 

[Rudra]

Good ****, Orca! I cant imagine why anyone would have a problem with his shine to begin with.
...
What? Kuga uses Falco and yet he's that much against the Shine buff? o_o;

 

[leafgreen386]

Relax Orca,relax.

You really should stop trolling this thread.

 

[Kuga]

And i say you guys should stop buffing good characters,its so sad to see this,this will be good for Brawl+.
Just look at Silver Thread o/.

Edit: btw,Silver want his Thread closed.If you or someone can close,thanks
Edit2: Oh,the Thread was already closed,thanks. :D

 

[Hostility]

Good ****, Orca! I cant imagine why anyone would have a problem with his shine to begin with.
...
What? Kuga uses Falco and yet he's that much against the Shine buff? o_o;

Not all of us want falco to be insanely broken and easy to use.

 

[leafgreen386]

Not all of us want falco to be insanely broken and easy to use.

If anything, falco is harder to use now since his lasers do less damage, so you can't camp all day to the same effect.

 

[Kuga]

Wowo,what a nice trade huh?
3% to 2% and he got that Shine,that's not a good trade,they wanted this,because they knew the Shine will be that good,like i said,if he need a nerf on his Laz0rzs,ok...but if you go to compensate,lets compensate other thing,the Shine is a bit too much.

 

[Rudra]

Not all of us want falco to be insanely broken and easy to use.

Have you been reading all of those posts regarding the new Shine? Have you tried it out extensively (and against someone who knows how to DI well)? Its not broken in the least. I dont understand how you could think such a thing.

EDIT: @ Kuga

What else could you possibly compensate?

 

[Yingyay]

Have you been reading all of those posts regarding the new Shine? Have you tried it out extensively (and against someone who knows how to DI well)? Its not broken in the least. I dont understand how you could think such a thing.

EDIT: @ Kuga

What else could you possibly compensate?

Nothing, because Falco was beast without it.

 

[Clever_Sleazoid]

Falco was okay, he was in no way beast.

He's still not a beast, he's great though.

The shine is techable at most %, you have to be good at tech chasing to even gain from it in most situations. And if you say otherwise, your opponent sucks HARD at DI.

 

[Bakuryu]

If anything It's better then his lasers as a approach IMO, I can't do SHDL consistently I wish he had his SHFFL back. So right now my only option as to run in attack, fake out, or attempt a SHDL, now I have a 4th option which only add depth.

 

[Rudra]

If anything It's better then his lasers as a approach IMO, I can't do SHDL consistently I wish he had his SHFFL back. So right now my only option as to run in attack, fake out, or attempt a SHDL, now I have a 4th option which only add depth.

I wouldnt say that. While it can be used as an approach tactic, his lasers are pretty much the best form of approaching (unless you're fighting someone like Squirtle/Kirby/G&W ) SHDL isnt hard, especially if you're using 100 Handicap for Brawl's Default Buffer and practice it for awhile. SHDL also helps in pinning down opponents who like to use short hops and tacks on damage quickly and safely in most cases too.

 

[goodoldganon]

It also destroys tall characters. I have to switch to Snake (his crawl helps me a lot) when I fight good Falco's since my Ganon just gets rolled and all my other characters are tall.

 

[Thunderhorse+]

Not all of us want falco to be insanely broken and easy to use.

Don't even joke about that ****. I've played Falco in numerous competitive settings, BtL being not only the biggest B+ tournament to date, but the only one in which the Falco shine buff was used, and he was far from insanely broken and easy to use. If there was any possibility that he was, it would certainly be not because of his shine, but rather his lasers. Naysayers are quick to use "Falco shine buff supporters need to go to tournaments more". I suggest you do the same, because it doesn't seem like you've used Falco in a competitive environment if you think the shine is what's going to break him (if anything, which is an impossible stretch in and of itself).

Which is kind of what I feel like saying to anyone who says "the shine will break Falco, it's too good".

 

[Rudra]

Don't even joke about that ****. I've played Falco in numerous competitive settings, BtL being not only the biggest B+ tournament to date, but the only one in which the Falco shine buff was used, and he was far from insanely broken and easy to use. If there was any possibility that he was, it would certainly be not because of his shine, but rather his lasers. Naysayers are quick to use "Falco shine buff supporters need to go to tournaments more". I suggest you do the same, because it doesn't seem like you've used Falco in a competitive environment if you think the shine is what's going to break him (if anything, which is an impossible stretch in and of itself).

Which is kind of what I feel like saying to anyone who says "the shine will break Falco, it's too good".

This.
10Shines

Spoiler

As for his lasers, I can only imagine what will become of them should damage stale reduce them to 1% and should PS reflection come into play, but thats something for another day...

 

[Dan_X]

You really should stop trolling this thread.

If I could only stop him... he's like the bubonic plague.

Have you been reading all of those posts regarding the new Shine? Have you tried it out extensively (and against someone who knows how to DI well)? Its not broken in the least. I dont understand how you could think such a thing.

EDIT: @ Kuga

What else could you possibly compensate?

Honestly, don't even regard anything Kuga says to be taken seriously, he's a scrub of epic proportions, he's only wasting your time and energy by having you respond.

Falco was okay, he was in no way beast.

He's still not a beast, he's great though.

The shine is techable at most %, you have to be good at tech chasing to even gain from it in most situations. And if you say otherwise, your opponent sucks HARD at DI.

Yeah. People make it out to be an instant win button when it is FAR FROM IT.

Don't even joke about that ****. I've played Falco in numerous competitive settings, BtL being not only the biggest B+ tournament to date, but the only one in which the Falco shine buff was used, and he was far from insanely broken and easy to use. If there was any possibility that he was, it would certainly be not because of his shine, but rather his lasers. Naysayers are quick to use "Falco shine buff supporters need to go to tournaments more". I suggest you do the same, because it doesn't seem like you've used Falco in a competitive environment if you think the shine is what's going to break him (if anything, which is an impossible stretch in and of itself).

Which is kind of what I feel like saying to anyone who says "the shine will break Falco, it's too good".

QFT!

His lasers are by far his best approach option, though, his shine is nice on the mix up. One good shine approach, that the enemy may not expect is a dash into a crouch-canceled shine. Quite nice.

I'm experimenting more with laser approaches and the shine. I'm not positive just yet, but the stun induced by successfully landed lasers may be enough to immediately connect with the shine after... If this works effectively, it'll be very nice!

It also destroys tall characters. I have to switch to Snake (his crawl helps me a lot) when I fight good Falco's since my Ganon just gets rolled and all my other characters are tall.

I can't wait to bring my Falco to some upcoming tournaments. For one, I haven't fought any good Ganons, but I can see how a good Falco can keep him at bay.

 

[Yingyay]

the whole subject on Falco getting his sined buff, came from the fact that the whole purpose of Brawl+ was to make every character tournament viable. Falco was already vable so he didnt need any buffs. But now that he got it, people are saying "Oh his shine was useless" umm, A reflector is supposed to reflect. The only buff he probably wouldve needed was for less cool down time but thats it.

edit: I've started playing Falco for the weekend......hes ****

 

[Clever_Sleazoid]

Tell that to Melee where the reflector was the scariest sh*t possible.

There is more than one purpose to Brawl+, making everyone viable is not the sole reason for it. Someone (I believe leafgreen) made an amazing post on how that logic is just conservative BS. If we can make the game deeper and more fun while still balanced, nobody shall try and stop us!

 

[Kuga]

Dont insult me Orca,you are a little Falco Main,who just want Good buffs for him,if you see,ITS IMPOSSIBLE to talk with you,Falco Mains.If wee say something about Falco,you guys say: ''I disagree''
Just that,ok?
You guys just want buff,buff,buff and more BUFF.com' on

Look at this Guy

I have been playing with the new codeset quite considerably with and against the majority of the cast,
here are my thoughts:

-Lucario's recovery is awesomely ridiculous, prolly should be toned down
-Ganon's jab is so fast it almost breaks sheilds with 3 punches due to hitstun, again awesome but crazy
-This may just be me being a Falco main but any chance Falco could get his Nair back? it feels nerfed
-Charizards Fair is HUGE
-Lucas' UpB destroys almost any characters recovery. parts of it are like a charged smash attack.
-Link feels like a playable character now :D
-Ivysaur is nuts

Overall I love how it seems like its all coming together, honestly as of now I would be comfortable with a similar version as a beta tourney standard, but I would know there would just be a few kinks to work around.

What the **** he's talking about?

 

[King Funk]

Dont insult me Orca,you are a little Falco Main,who just want Good buffs for him,if you see,ITS IMPOSSIBLE to talk with you,Falco Mains.If wee say something about Falco,you guys say: ''I disagree''
Just that,ok?
You guys just want buff,buff,buff and more BUFF.com' on

Stop trolling. You're nothing but a scrub. Orca isn't insulting you, he's telling the truth. We are doing our best giving arguments to defend the shine buff, and you just come here and say the same thing over and over again. How the hell do you expect us to agree with what you say? You don't even give a single reason to believe that the new shine should not be applied or anything. And if you call Orca a "little Falco mainer", what are you then? A tiny, chicken little piece of Falco noobiness?

Vai pa casa. Or I'll call a mod.

 

[Thunderhorse+]

Dont insult me Orca,you are a little Falco Main,who just want Good buffs for him,if you see,ITS IMPOSSIBLE to talk with you,Falco Mains.If wee say something about Falco,you guys say: ''I disagree''
Just that,ok?
You guys just want buff,buff,buff and more BUFF.com' on

Look at this Guy



What the **** he's talking about?

Please Kuga, just stop. No one here is out to personally attack you. But the truth is you've been doing little more than trolling this thread with less than paper thin arguments. We cannot take you seriously if you post the same two lines over and over again while proceeding to flame the Falco community needlessly. Because of the fact that we're "little Falco mains", we should have more say on Falco's buffs/nerfs simply because we're more familiar with the character. This is not to say that the BR shouldn't use descretion when taking our (or anyone's) advice. Even if, say, SK92 played Falco and was the best Falco+ in the nation, him saying that Falco's fsmash should kill at 70% is absurd. But if BtL proved anything, is that every lengthy paragraph we have typed out has been spot on: Falco is NOT broken with the shine change and it stimulates his metagame to much deeper proportions.

I don't have anything against you as a person, but your posts are a bit tiresome to read. I don't agree with Silven's opinions about the Falco shine, but he took more than 2 seconds to type out his opinions and stepped it up at BtL, and for that he has my respect. You post a few lines of the same, unthoughtful arguments each and every time and continue to flamebait with no provokation. If you didn't do that, more people would take your opinions more seriously.

 

[Kuga]

Come on guys,dont Cry,he dont need to tell the truth,the truth is you guys dont aceept a nerf on Falco,just that,and he insult me,i dont insult nobody right?
And Funk.Vai pa casa?Vai aprender a balancear seu Main.
And i'm not trolling this Topic,i am a Falco Main,and i need to Say,the Shine buff is to much for him to compensate de Laz0rz nerf.Like me and other guys said,Reduce de Cooldown for help his Shine to reflecting projects(hes Shine was made for that)if you guys want this to be a combo starter,well,now the Brawl+ is like ''Melee 2.0.''

 

[King Funk]

Come on guys,dont Cry,he dont need to tell the truth,the truth is you guys dont aceept a nerf on Falco,just that,and he insult me,i dont insult nobody right?
And Funk.Vai pa casa?Vai aprender a balancear seu Main.

You insult us by spamming the **** out of this thread. It seems that your whole primitive existence rests on annoying people.

Two solutions to that spamfest:

• you find other people to annoy than us
• I call a mod

Your choice.

 

[Rudra]

Honestly, don't even regard anything Kuga says to be taken seriously, he's a scrub of epic proportions, he's only wasting your time and energy by having you respond.

Fair enough. Lets not feed the troll then.

-This may just be me being a Falco main but any chance Falco could get his Nair back? it feels nerfed

I've been thinking about this for awhile now and I think I know the answer. Since his nair hasnt changed, its probably because of the lower hitlag the move has that makes it "slice" through his opponents instead of "slap" them. That, or it could be because you need to control his momentum more so that he can actually land his nair's hits. You didnt exactly specify what feels "nerfed" about it, but I guess it would be something along those lines.

 

[Kuga]

Call the mod,because i'm not anoying nobody,you guys think i am provoking you?Well,that you problem, i am expressiong my opnion and you guys said your opnions,we are Discussing about that,and you dont want me here cuz i am not a favor of Falco Shine.

But that's ok,i'm leaving this topic to you guys,and i hope the Shine Buff go away,because this is to much for him to be a trade with Laz0rz nerf,if this will not be taken off,well,good for you Falco Mains. Cya

 

[5ive]

Call the mod,because i'm not anoying nobody,you guys think i am provoking you?Well,that you problem, i am expressiong my opnion and you guys said your opnions,we are Discussing about that,and you dont want me here cuz i am not a favor of Falco Shine.

Yes, you are annoying people. In fact, I think most of us ARE annoyed at you. And no, we don't want you here because you aren't in favor of the Falco shine, we don't want you here because you're well...

annoying.

 

[Kuga]

Annoying if break rules?YOU guys think i am annoying,i dont think that,that's just my way to speak,sorry.

 

[King Funk]

But that's ok,i'm leaving this topic to you guys,and i hope the Shine Buff go away,because this is to much for him to be a trade with Laz0rz nerf,if this will not be taken off,well,good for you Falco Mains. Cya

The troll is gone. But you gotta admit Kuga's english wasn't fantastic.

"I'm not annoying nobody" --> so you are annoying someone?
"I'm leaving this topic to you guys" --> is that your topic?

To all anti-shiners: even though we had all this extravaganza here in this thread, we still accept people who can give us intelligent and logical arguments (w/proof) against ours.

EDIT: What? No, Kuga. Shoo! Go away!

 

[Kuga]

So,you are making a joke or something like that about my bad english?

 

[Rudra]

No, he said that your english simply wasnt "fantastic". You yourself said so sometime ago as well.

Edit: Enough of this, honestly.