Falco Boards Community Guide Discussion/Rough Draft *WE'RE NOT DONE YET!!! *

[WaterTails]

Don't worry, B-Mon, Zamz is editing it. I'm sure that's something we were all worried about.

Also, thanks for expanding my gangsta'-speak. Who'd've gessed that "YUNq" meant "young."

 

[YUNq PHR3$H]

Can you ask "Young Fresh" if he can use proper grammar if he's going to be an author?

Okay If Yall Really Want Me Too .
But Thats How People Get Bored When Every Word Is Spelled Correctly
I Want New People To Have A Amusing Taste To What There Reading.
But I Will Fix The Grammar If Its THAT A Big Deal

EDiT:: I Will Be Uploading Pics From My Sd Card
So Just Tell Me Which Pics You Will Need.
Evn Though Blad's Got Most Pics Covered.
But Any Pic Then I Will Be Available

 

[Vlade]

Okay If Yall Really Want Me Too .
But Thats How People Get Bored When Every Word Is Spelled Correctly
I Want New People To Have A Amusing Taste To What There Reading.
But I Will Fix The Grammar If Its THAT A Big Deal

Your grammar is STILL wrong here >_>

 

[Hawks go Caw]

Your grammar is STILL wrong here >_>

You know, I figured the people that would have access to the account would be doing the writing. Maybe some copying and pasting, but mostly writing it themselves for the sake of consistency and accuracy. That was my take on the idea anyway.

 

[AvoiD]

Most of them are, aren't they?

Denzi's gonna be writing.
zamz's gonna be editing.
Crystal's gonna be updating.
Hawk's gonna be updating.
Kuro's gonna be sexy with writing/updating.

Good?

B-mon, I effin' miss you here bro</3. Get active lul. But its your choice Hawks, your idea ^^.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Not really much more we can do right now till Denzi gets back to us with how the situation will work out.

 

[Beetle Juice]

What about how to edgaurd with falco, he has a great edge gaurding imo XD
And yea hawks it was me that you showed your flamedashing, mindgames.
Although our falco dubs was a fail lol

 

[Denzi]

Not really much more we can do right now till Denzi gets back to us with how the situation will work out.

Alright guys, account is made.

If you've been selected, you know you have been. If not, either 1. I'm waiting for your conformation that you'll help, or 2. I don't trust you/haven't seen enough of you to allow you to work on this.

I also chose people who tend to be very active here.

I may eventually include more people, but worry about that later. For now, all that you need to keep doing is contributing info to the guide.

 

[Vlade]

Ideas for the name of the guide?

Oh and I think to make things easier, we should get the new account to start a new thread, then get Mini Mic to move this current thread into it. That way anyone with access to the account can just edit the OP when they want.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Alright, we can get to work now.​

Taking the stuff that Denzi's opening post on this thread said this is what we have to include.​

Intro
Summary of Brawl Falco
List of Smash Terminology
Pros/Cons
Links to helpful threads
List of all Attacks/Throws + Frame Data
Falco's AT's
Lasers
CG
Phantasm(might deserve its own section...)
General Strategies
Stage Control
Reading/Predicting Opponents
Video Guides​

Here is the order I think these things should be listed in when the guide is made along with all the other suggestions people have made thus far.​

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Intro
This would probably be a title and large picture of Falco. The flashier the better.​

Summary of Brawl Falco/ Pros - cons
This would pretty much introduce Falco as a character and why people might want to main falco or use him as a strategic secondary.​

List of Smash Terminology
Since we should assume the player reading this guide is a complete newbie to brawl. Therefore the terms list would set the pace for all the acronyms (SHFL, DI, etc.) they might run into while reading the guide. Some things like DI we could just give a brief description on and post a link to a thread that gives more detailed information on it seeing as DI is universal term.​

List of all Attacks/Throws + Frame Data
After the terms I believe it would fit nicely to go directly into the moves of falco. They would include descriptions, uses, general advice using the move, frame data, range (if we can include it in the image), percentage, etc.​

Falco's AT's
This would mention all the AT falco has. It could probably be added to the terms section anyway.​

Lasers/CG/{Phantasm(might deserve its own section...) ???}
After a person has a feel for falco it would be in the interest to show them the key parts to Falco's gameplay and all the tricks of the trade that accompany Falco's largest assests for his playing style.​

General Strategies/Stage Control
This segment would tell the person how to pull all the things they now know about falco into retrospect.​

Reading/Predicting Opponents
The next step up from knowing the basics and already applying them. How to know what to do and when to do.​

Video Guides/Links to helpful threads
This would go at the end to wrap up the thread with. All this really does is point people to areas for a little bit more help specified help.​

Contributions
Obviously we would want to give credit to EVERYONE that helped to make the thread. Even those that don't have access to the writing or editing of the guide. Everyone's input is important.​

Other things people mentioned we should add to the guide is match-up results and general stage CPs and bans. I have no idea wether we should add that stuff or not, or just give links to the location where they can find the stuff.​

If you look back a ways into this current thread, you'll see that Blad had already started work on another thread. I think that we could use same layout idea that he was using. We just have to add onto stuff already there, which isn't much yet.​

 

[clowsui]

I'll handle writing the Brawl Falco Summary

 

[WaterTails]

I'll handle writing the Brawl Falco Summary

I'm not really sure if the pros and cons would work into that, but if you decide to do it, we've got a pretty good list on post 25 of this thread. It was listed together on Crystal's post, so, ...



Also, I think I've got a pretty good idea for an intro picture. Expect more tomorrow!

Potential flashy intro pictures!

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g41/WaterTails/al_090622_13231.jpg
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g41/WaterTails/al_090622_1323.jpg
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g41/WaterTails/al_090622_1324.jpg
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g41/WaterTails/al_090622_1334.jpg

I tried to get some cool laser synchronization, and failed, but these are neat, too!

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

@Vlade/everyone: "How to kill two stones with a bird" was the name of the thread that Blad started. But the problem I see with a lot of other guides are that the names aren't straightforward enough. It seems like it hints that this might be a thread. So my idea would make the name something that is easy to locate among the stickies and I mean really sticks out that this is a offical Falco guide or whatever. So maybe something like "Offical Falco Guide". It's pretty generic and bland, but most people coming to use a falco guide would be newcomers I believe. A flashy title that involves something they might not know doesn't seem useful.

@WaterTails: I think that the pros/cons could be worked into the summary. To summarize Falco pretty much means to cover the attributes he has which would involve the pros and cons of Falco.

 

[Vlade]

Alright the thread's been made, whoever feels like doing the introduction - go for your life!

 

[YUNq PHR3$H]

Okay I Have Pictures &&
I Will Be Uploading Them To The Guide.
I Tried To Make Them As Precise As Possible.

EDiT:: The Pics Were Uploaded To The OP

EDiT x2:: Since I Have A Hacked Wii , From Now On The Pics I Upload Will Be Hacked Pics

 

[B-Mon]

Don't worry, B-Mon, Zamz is editing it. I'm sure that's something we were all worried about.

Also, thanks for expanding my gangsta'-speak. Who'd've gessed that "YUNq" meant "young."

LOL!!
Its the "gangstah" version of 1337 talk.


This project seems to be a nice idea.

KuroZero. :').

 

[zamz]

I could accept: "How to Kill Two Stones With One Bird (A Complete Falco Guide)"

But, I'd also like to hear other suggestions first

 

[BleachigoZX]

So um, is there anything else besides AT's and Terms that anyone wants me to cover?
I wouldn't mind doing stages (Legals), but I'd need some good pictures.

 

[AvoiD]

I'll do attacks + framedata and the credits.

I'm sure Blad wouldn't mind me using his info, just in a different format though.

 

[YUNq PHR3$H]

So um, is there anything else besides AT's and Terms that anyone wants me to cover?
I wouldn't mind doing stages (Legals), but I'd need some good pictures.

I Can Get You The Pics

 

[BleachigoZX]

For now I'll just need the nuetrals.

Final Destination
Battle Field
Smashville
Lylat Cruise
Yoshi's Island

 

[YUNq PHR3$H]

For now I'll just need the nuetrals.

Final Destination
Battle Field
Smashville
Lylat Cruise
Yoshi's Island

K I Got You On Dat.
Btw, Who's Doing The Matchup's
I Would Love Someone To Start With G&W pl0x
&& Dat Bumass D-Throw + D-Smash

 

[Jon?]

I can help with stages as well. I know which stages are great and plain out suck for Falco. I've had my fair share of stage gimps. lol

I can help with matchups and G&W. I actually have lots of friends who play him casually so I know how most of his tricks work.

 

[Blad01]

I confirm I will help of course !

Not right now though, I have my Baccalaureat >_> (A-levels). They're finished on June the 30th, but I can probably begin to help on Thursday.

 

[SHDL]

Blad, when you have time, mind getting the rest of the pics for Falco's aerials/smashes?

And is it cool if I your guide? I'm basically taking what you wrote, but mixing it up so it won't seem exactly the same. If not, its fine, I'll let you continue with it or I'll start from scratch haha.

-KuroZero

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

These were some of the pictures that WaterTails found that we could use for the intro. *pokes earlier post that had these links too* Which one do you all like the best? I like the laser one or the FireBird.

Also like what Vlade mentioned, a name people? Any suggestions? The one that Blad came up with, "How to kill two birds with one stone", seems to have some favor.

 

[WaterTails]

I kind of like "Project Pew Pew" for the name, if only for the sake of having more than one choice, but that might be more placeholder-y, though.

Edit: It's a commonly known fact that every temporary name has to have "Project" somewhere in it.

 

[Denzi]

I kind of like "Project Pew Pew" for the name, if only for the sake of having more than one choice, but that might be more placeholder-y, though.

Edit: It's a commonly known fact that every temporary name has to have "Project" somewhere in it.

The name is probably the least important thing right now, actually.

Watertails, you said you had an intro written up, right? If you do, go ahead and put it into the guide with one of those (-points up-) pictures (if you feel like adding one) so the rest of us can see how it looks.

 

[WaterTails]

The name is probably the least important thing right now, actually.

Watertails, you said you had an intro written up, right? If you do, go ahead and put it into the guide with one of those (-points up-) pictures (if you feel like adding one) so the rest of us can see how it looks.

Nope, no intro, but I can try to write one up tonight or tomorrow morning. And I only brought the name up, because Crystal and Vlade were talking about a name earlier in the thread.

Edit: Coming up with a good way to start an intro is hard.

 

[Denzi]

Nope, no intro, but I can try to write one up tonight or tomorrow morning. And I only brought the name up, because Crystal and Vlade were talking about a name earlier in the thread.

I wasn't directing that at you specifically, just saying that we shouldn't be worrying about it atm.

If you could just write up a simple intro that'd work great, and the rest of us can add to it, so don't worry about making it perfect or anything.

 

[WaterTails]

Rushed introduction is up in the thread. Remember to discuss it here, to keep the guide thread nice and clean until it's done!

 

[Denzi]

Rushed introduction is up in the thread. Remember to discuss it here, to keep the guide thread nice and clean until it's done!

looks ok. I'm changing RBPG to BPG though, as the pivot implies the reverse. in other words, RBPG is a boost grab (forward), where BPG is, well, a boosted pivot grab.

Also, since this guide is newcomer friendly, should we bother to explain Dtaunt at some point?

 

[Blahblahwutever]

Blahblahwutever - WRITER
BleachigoZX - FREE (?)
clowsui - FREE (?)
Crystal - FREE (?)
Denzi - WRITER
Emperor Time - PICS
Hawks Go Caw - FREE (?)
Jon? - FREE (?)
KuroZero - FREE (?)
Teran - FREE (?)
Vlade - FREE (?)
WaterTails - WRITER
Xonar - FREE (?)
YUNq FR3$H - WRITER (?)
zamz - EDITOR

Awaiting Confirmation:

-Blad01
-J4pu
-Marcbri
-pure_awesome
-Tommy_G

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Purple is Writers. I need them to confirm that they will be able to help to or I can remove them. Others can pick what they want to help with, such as Emperor with Pics, zamz with Editor. I'll let Denzi approve them though btw. If you have a question mark, please confirm it. btw, I know Blad already confirmed, but gotta make sure he'll help. He'll still be added to credits either way.

As for the new account. Here's my opinion on who should have it.

1) Denzi
2) zamz
3) Crystal
4) Hawks Go Caw

All I have at the moment. Not sure if I should add myself to the list, cause I don't want others disagreeing lmao.

Any objections though? >.>

I confirm that I can be a writer.

 

[Blad01]

Blad, when you have time, mind getting the rest of the pics for Falco's aerials/smashes?

And is it cool if I your guide? I'm basically taking what you wrote, but mixing it up so it won't seem exactly the same. If not, its fine, I'll let you continue with it or I'll start from scratch haha.

-KuroZero

Of course I will upload the rest of the pictures ^^

You can take everything in my guide, but I would like to keep more or so the same format for picture + Frame data at least, if possible.
I would like to finish writing Picture + Name + Frame Data (not desciption, because I guess that you're doing it ^^), so let me help you out on that

So I me and KuroZero for Pictures + Name of the move (can be changed afterwards by the community of course) + Frame Data.

Who is doing the description exactly ? :o Denzi ? (I may find the answer in the thread >_>)

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Falco is one of the best characters in Brawl. He has never been out of the top five in an official SBR tier list, and at one point, was only under Metaknight and Snake. Falco is just plain good. You can play him decently no matter what your playstyle is.. You can camp really well with your lasers and various Phantasm tricks, or you can IAP (insert link to section of guide with IAP here) in as a pretty good approach. Falco also has a chaingrab(which even acts as a 0%-death combo on some characters) and laserlock to rack up damage fairly quickly and easily, which is clearly never a bad thing.

In this guide, you'll learn Falco's various advanced techniques ranging from crazy rad, like DACUSes and BPGs, to flashy but useless, like craqwalking your chaingrabs. So, grab your bread, pizza cake, and whatever pastries you prefer, and start reading!

I think it should be mentioned that Falco isn't just all camping. He has a the unique ability to shift in and out of offence and defence pretty easily. This grants him the ability to adapt to similarly any sitatution he is put in.

Something like that simply to appeal to people that Falco is not all camp your opponent to death. You have other options at your disposal to use him effectively.

 

[Denzi]

Who is doing the description exactly ? :o Denzi ? (I may find the answer in the thread >_>)

Move descriptions? I can do those.

I think it should be mentioned that Falco isn't just all camping. He has a the unique ability to shift in and out of offence and defence pretty easily. This grants him the ability to adapt to similarly any sitatution he is put in.

Something like that simply to appeal to people that Falco is not all camp your opponent to death. You have other options at your disposal to use him effectively.

zamz is re-writing the intro; don't worry about it.

 

[BleachigoZX]

My current work on AT's. I'm just going to look for the threads and videos.

I'm starting the AT's in the format that was given earlier, by Hawks go Caw, I'll one in a few.
Also who can upload videos, not all AT's have videos...


-Name: Immediate Aerial Phantasm (IAP)
-Description: Performing the phantasm at the lowest point possible, cutting ending lag. Start-up lag is increased though. Overall it is better than a normal phantasm
-How it's performed: Short Hop > Phantasm [Side + Special]
-Application: Controls space and can build damage. Forces your opponent to approach or can be used as an approach. Helps you run away in useful situations as well. This can also be canceled like the normal phantasm for mind games and such.
-Video:
-Thread:

-Name: Dash Attack Cancel Up-Smash (DACUS) [Also known as Gatling Combo]
-Description: A dash attack that is canceled into a Up-Smash, on contact.
-How it's performed: Initiate a dash attack. When it first connects input a Up-smash. (Doesn't matter how it is done, C-stick or Up+A)
-Application: Can combo into a Chain Grab at low percents and racks up about 24%
-Video:
-Thread:

-Name: Boost Smash [Snake Dash]
-Description: With the momentum cancel of a Dash Attack, the up smash travels a lot farther. About 1/3 of Final Destinations length.
-How it's performed: Dash, C-stick Down, then hit Attack + Up. (No Contact until the Up-smash comes up)
-Application: Sneak in early kills, combo potential at High Percents.
-Video:
-Thread:

-Name: Phantasm Phakeout [Guys this needs a new name]
-Description: Phantasming on the edge of the stage might produce a "glitch" where Falco appears above the ledge he phantasmed into.
-How it's performed: Phantasm at the edge of the stage. Falco's gun holder should be level/parallel with the edge of the stage.
-Application: Mind games. Flashy.
-Video:
-Thread:

-Name: Laser Lock [LL]
-Description: When a opponent prat falls he or she cannot do anything. Repeatedly shooting lasers at the enemy causes them to bounce infinitely as long as there is a ground. (Infinite on a wall)
-How it's performed: Shoot lasers at a opponent when he or she prat falls.
-Application: Cheap damage, though it is very impractical to land this.
-Video:
-Thread:

-Name: Platform Laser Lock
-Description: Same as above, with the exception that it is done on 1 platform for a true infinite that is inescapable. It end when the player misses a laser or waits for the pratfall wake up. [This is a 0-death when it is chained into a up smash]
-How it's performed: Short Hop Double Laser at head level when a opponent pratfalls onto a platform. You shoot twice on the right then twice on the left to keep them from falling off the platform.
-Application: Cheap damage. 0-death.
-Video:
-Thread:

-Name: B-reversal
-Description: When you shoot a laser you quickly hit the opposite direction that Falco is facing [You hit the opposite direction in the beginning of the animation]. The momentum is traded to the direction you input and he fires the laser in that direction.
-How it's performed: Jump, Laser , then quickly hit the opposite direction.
-Application: Spacing tool. Mind games. Flashy.
-Video:
-Thread:

-Name: Turn Around B Special
-Description: Performing a special attack in the opposite direction that you were facing.
-How it's performed: In the air you hit the opposite direction you were facing before you perform the attack. Falco should switch direction before he does anything.
-Application: Laser spacing. [If this is usable with Fire bird then recovery]
-Video:
-Thread:

-Name: Boost Grabbing
-Description: Canceling a dash animation with a grab for a little boost.
-How it's performed: Dash Attack [C-stick], then Grab.
-Application: Tiny boost range. It isn't amazing.
-Video:
-Thread:

-Name: Reverse Boost Grab [Pivot Boost Grab]
-Description: Same as above, with the added exception that you pivot grab.
-How it's performed: Dash Attack, Pivot Gab
-Application: Can be used in a chain grab to switch the direction that the chain grab is following. It is very flashy as well.
-Video:
-Thread:

-Name: Reverse Edge Phantasm [REP]
-Description: A variation of the phantasm done along the edge. [Can be done toward the direction of a moving platform. If it is moving towards the left, then dash right phantasm left.]
-How it's performed: Stand about less than a dash away from a non moving edge then dash and phantasm opposite of the direction you dashed in.
-Application: Mind-games amazing, edge hog tool, and this is a underused phantasm tactic.
-Video:
-Thread:

-Name: Jump Canceled Item Toss
-Description: A 'glide toss' that is initiated with the 'Jump' button. You can still do all the fancy tricks that you could do from Glide tossing
-How it's performed: Direction (Dash), Jump + Direction (Item Toss) Attack button.
-Application: It goes as far as Diddy's glide toss length, and it is easier to do than a normal Glide Toss. It also doesn't send you far.
-Video:
-Thread:

-Name:
-Description:
-How it's performed:
-Application:
-Video:
-Thread:


I'm almost done, just need to cover a few more universals and such. should I do Splatting?
Though I know nothing about it though. We need more testing on it.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

-Name: B-reversal
-Description: When you shoot a laser you quickly hit the opposite direction that Falco is facing [You hit the opposite direction in the beginning of the animation]. The momentum is traded to the direction you input and he fires the laser in that direction.
-How it's performed: Jump, Laser , then quickly hit the opposite direction.
-Application: Spacing tool. Mind games. Flashy.
-Video:
-Thread:

-Name: Turn Around B Special
-Description: Performing a special attack in the opposite direction that you were facing.
-How it's performed: In the air you hit the opposite direction you were facing before you perform the attack. Falco should switch direction before he does anything.
-Application: Laser spacing. [If this is usable with Fire bird then recovery]
-Video:
-Thread:
.

Wait, isn't this the same?

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Wait, isn't this the same?

He was getting at the kind of special attack stuff that can either simply turn around and work or will turn around with momentum being carried instead of a turn around standing still.

 

[Jon?]

What else needs to be written up? I can also do some editing. I just finished Summer classes so I got lots of time now.