Pi
Smash Hero
na, no frame advantage, and i get grabs all the time w/ my UB
not reactionarily of course, but like if they're near you and you think they aren't going to shield, then just UB them
marth is ez.
only thing you can flail wildly is dtilt
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- Thread starter Pi
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not reactionarily of course, but like if they're near you and you think they aren't going to shield, then just UB them
only thing you can flail wildly is dtilt
resTy
Smash Champion
Haven't played Smash in forever. Is this character still bad?
Violence
Smash Lord
cc dtilt > uair so good. Also, if you have better spacing, you can punish a missed fair with an upward angled fsmash, but it's kinda risky.
Also, edgeguarding is so free.
Also, edgeguarding is so free.
Fortress | Sveet
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Shine->grab does have frame advantage (otherwise the shielder could grab before; defn of frame adv) But since upb has invincibility for the first handful of frames including the first 2 frames of hitboxes, as long as your upb starts you will be safe.
MonkUnit
Project M Back Roomer
Invinc on frames 1-5
And is upB the only way to get around shine grab?
And is upB the only way to get around shine grab?
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no you can just roll/dodge
Pi
Smash Hero
^
>=|
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Pluplue
Smash Ace
>roll dodge
>terrible
pick two
>terrible
pick two
Bamesy
Smash Ace
Only 12 people like grabs?!?!?!?
Freaking worst ****s I've ever seen.
Freaking worst ****s I've ever seen.
THE RED SPARROW
Smash Lord
If her grab was Link's speed then we'd be talking.
Heck, if her grab was Link's speed she'd probably move up a tier.
Pi
Smash Hero
a few
THE RED SPARROW
Smash Lord
Pi
Smash Hero
i think it'd be in her favor if she had a grab like link
marth matchup would be easier too
he couldn't tilt our shield
peach and sheik probably too
marth matchup would be easier too
he couldn't tilt our shield
peach and sheik probably too
THE RED SPARROW
Smash Lord
Virtually all matchups would be easier, and vs Sheik might actually end up being 45/55 or 50/50. Being able to capitalize on Sheik's OOS punishes would be sex.
Peach however due to her floatiness, her cancels, and insta-Nair, there's not much to capitalize on with grapple past 30-55%. At most it can just be a disruptor or deterrent.
zDuck
Smash Journeyman
what's the DI for puff bair train? I DI up and in and force her to up-air me, is there a better solution?
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Most characters DI away + down but I'm not sure that would work for Samus at some percents because her gravity and weight are a weird mix.
Pi
Smash Hero
abcool
Smash Ace
My samus homies...ahh it's been awhile. I got some questions. I have seen sheik done this aswell. When getting shield pressured, when can i actually nair oos? I have seen m2k done this multiple times and i can have sworn plup did it to shiz, but i don't know the timing or when to use it.. The move seems more safe then Up-B sometimes.
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Lost to zoro and hbox
beat uuaa and dark sonic and ace
beat uuaa and dark sonic and ace
Pi
Smash Hero
it's hard to understand when to use nair OoS for samus
the best thing i can reccomend is to look for when sheiks do it, since it's basically the same thing
if marth Utilts too close to your shield you can nair him
if he sh fairs (going to double fair), you can nair him
if the spacies are coming in w/ a delayed aerial on your shield you can throw it out there
works on falcon's approaches occasionally, but falcon in general seems random when it comes to challenging his aerials w/ nair
it may sound obvious/vague/not very helpful but just use it when you think it will hit i guess?
specific scenerio's to use it are OoS punishes on laggy attacks, but using it to thwart approaches is something you kinda have to have instinctual knowledge about
but if you were just looking for situational attacks, the spacies dash attacks & fsmashes you can nair OoS, you can grab as well but the window is smaller
marth's Dash attack i'm pretty sure you can nair oos, samus dash attack as well
so moves w/ similar properties you can probably hit
beat pengie (fox)
lost to zoro (link)
beat ace (marth)
beat apollo (peach)
beat ds (marth)
beat uuaa (fox, recorded)
beat fzero (falcon, recorded)
lost to hbox (puff)
roar!
Pluplue
Smash Ace
You're a monster, 3.
how did the game vs uuaa go? was it ur toughest win or was dark sonics game closer?
how did the game vs uuaa go? was it ur toughest win or was dark sonics game closer?
Pi
Smash Hero
they were both pretty tough...
but i think i felt like i had less control the last match of my set w/ uuaa
it got recorded so you can see it...
both DS & uuaa took first game off me
Geist
Smash Master
Good **** dude lol
THE RED SPARROW
Smash Lord
Props 3/ Kniht for beating all those legit players, most notably Darksonic and Uuaa! Go go go!
Pi
Smash Hero
ty just wanted to brag a bit since this is a personal accomplishment for me
now...i have to...beat...col bol...plup...hbox...
i really don't have any desire to beat those guys LOL
not here at locals at least...
everyone else in FL, sept maybe linguini, i'm prepared to beat
but those 3, just that i respect them so it's hard to be like 'okay now i have to beat this guy'
especially when i've learned from all of them
/johns
see you all at apex?
lets talk low tier matchups...
link & luigi anyone?
now...i have to...beat...col bol...plup...hbox...
i really don't have any desire to beat those guys LOL
not here at locals at least...
everyone else in FL, sept maybe linguini, i'm prepared to beat
but those 3, just that i respect them so it's hard to be like 'okay now i have to beat this guy'
especially when i've learned from all of them
/johns
see you all at apex?
lets talk low tier matchups...
link & luigi anyone?
AIDS
Smash Lord
Learning to play samus, does the samus boards have viewable hitboxes such as
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=300397
?
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=300397
?
Geist
Smash Master
yeah I'm pretty sure 3 has a downloadable file from megaupload or something of the like.
Pi
Smash Hero
yea here you go
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=302766
there's a keylogger but i only use it to find out what porn sites you visit so i can fap too
joking, there is no keylogger
Luigi is a messed up match, one time I got ***** by a luigi first round then I switched to sheik and won, he even changed to Falco and I still won moving on to face Zhukeeper........
There is one simple solution to both those match ups! Gooo Sheik!
guys i hate to tell you this but i don't think those posts were as helpful as you thought they were =\The germ is my link practice and I pretty sure it's a solid 6/4.
Link's spacing tools are so good and being able to shield grab samus from any spaced tilt makes it an up hill battle.
Luigi is just bbbaaaawwwwwlllllsssss
even less-so because the luigi i'm thinking of has massive sheik experience lol
what can i punish what can i approach with how can i edge guard what stops their momentum etc etc.
AIDS
Smash Lord
It is a huge spacing battle vs Luigi, he moves fast and can down throw dair or many other things but he lacks projectiles. Don't shield to the point he is comfortable going for grabs, try sticking with larger stages. Stadium would be good if you can missile spam with the platforms, Luigi normally has a tough time with that.
shield pressure is okay but make sure your not beside him, spaced jabs and ftilts are best otherwise he could up-B out of shield and own your pressure attempt. It is a match where you need to stay away and make him be pressured to approach you and punish his approaches. Keep in mind who ever is winning if it times out wins, so if you want effective pressure you must have the lead, or else Luigi can force you to approach since he can sit back.
Use your shot on confirmed hits, like when he uses his side B to try to recover or does down B on the ground, there is a lot of opportunity to punish Luigi, it's just forcing him with pressure and waiting for the screw ups which are your openings for stronger hits.
Link is also a boring match, but it is not as bad. Just know what to watch out for, and try to stay more on the ground. A good link will try to use boomerangs and bombs a lot to create openings. Catch his bombs and use them back at him and it will intimidate him and creates an opening for you a lot, you force him to switch gears and he will not be as effective, so be good at catching bombs!
Do not attack his shield, he will up-B out of it, just let him chill if he is in his shield, shoot a missile or something. To be a little more aggressive you can open for grabs as he shields your missle and down throw into up-tilt, nair, or other things all depending on damage. U-tilt is best at low percent and it's annoying! stuff like that.
The last major thing is edge guarding strats. seeking missiles help when he s coming from long range but the best way for finishers is not to try to get an up-tilt cause his up-b range is massive. So I would normally wave dash onto the edge while he is below and about to use his up-b, or drop and re-grab if I was on the edge already, then the moment I grab the edge, I gain some invincibility, then you can ledge hop onto the edge with a nair and he will normally get hit with the back of the nair going backwards away from the edge again, if he does not die, repeat. This edge guard is very useful against link and samus dittos.
ThePrime
Smash Lord
Dude 3 gettin off! GET em!
Whos all going to apex btw?
Whos all going to apex btw?
Pi
Smash Hero
you can make them into gif's yourself but i haven't made them into gifs lol
just view them in windows picture viewer and use the arrow keys to go back and forth and it's like a gif, you can hold forward and it'll be like a gif exactly, i prefer still images any way so you can know exactly what is occuring on each frame w/o having to wait for it to loop around again
@aids thanks man that makes sense, ima see if i can't get my friends to toss bombs at me w/ link so i can catch them lol
Violence
Smash Lord
Luigi: I have experience vs a few Luigi's one tournament, I had to play 2-3 of them in amateur bracket. My impressions of the matchup:
Samuses lose because they don't understand what Luigi can do. We get hit by double aerials, and don't know what to do against Luigi's WD spacing->approach.
To me, it's all about understanding that Luigi can go from standing still to stupid fast instantly, and spacing so that he can't catch you off guard. From there, I try to zone him with missiles. Expect him to clank missile with a down B and punish quickly with dsmash if he's close, it's faster than most of the things he does. Space tilts if he gets close, expect clanks and just be ready to give him that dsmash. If you do think he's going to hit you, crouch cancelling works pretty well on his ground approaches.
His sh aerial approach is more annoying, you can't really challenge it. Sometimes they'll full hop aerial, punish it quickly, or else they'll throw out a second one right after and hit you.
Overall, try to stay mobile and learn his tricks by playing the matchup a lot. He's got a lot.
Link: My favorite matchup in the whole wide world. I also think it's a solid 6-4 in Link's favor. Learn from Hugo vs German(they played a long *** set). You have to be careful in how you approach Link. His Bombs can be caught, but it's really risky, because if you mess up, bombs combo you into more damage. DON'T TILT HIS SHIELD. IF YOU DO HAPPEN TO TILT HIS SHIELD, TRY TO SPOT DODGE IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS. He'll most likely grab you out of it. Jab shield pressure works well, as your jabs are faster than his Up B ooS and his shield grab(As far as I know). Otherwise, respect the nair, try to pressure his shield from behind, and know your role in this matchup: the underdog. You can't challenge his ****, you have to find a way around it, in general.
TEHPRIEM: I think Darrell and I are going.
Samuses lose because they don't understand what Luigi can do. We get hit by double aerials, and don't know what to do against Luigi's WD spacing->approach.
To me, it's all about understanding that Luigi can go from standing still to stupid fast instantly, and spacing so that he can't catch you off guard. From there, I try to zone him with missiles. Expect him to clank missile with a down B and punish quickly with dsmash if he's close, it's faster than most of the things he does. Space tilts if he gets close, expect clanks and just be ready to give him that dsmash. If you do think he's going to hit you, crouch cancelling works pretty well on his ground approaches.
His sh aerial approach is more annoying, you can't really challenge it. Sometimes they'll full hop aerial, punish it quickly, or else they'll throw out a second one right after and hit you.
Overall, try to stay mobile and learn his tricks by playing the matchup a lot. He's got a lot.
Link: My favorite matchup in the whole wide world. I also think it's a solid 6-4 in Link's favor. Learn from Hugo vs German(they played a long *** set). You have to be careful in how you approach Link. His Bombs can be caught, but it's really risky, because if you mess up, bombs combo you into more damage. DON'T TILT HIS SHIELD. IF YOU DO HAPPEN TO TILT HIS SHIELD, TRY TO SPOT DODGE IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS. He'll most likely grab you out of it. Jab shield pressure works well, as your jabs are faster than his Up B ooS and his shield grab(As far as I know). Otherwise, respect the nair, try to pressure his shield from behind, and know your role in this matchup: the underdog. You can't challenge his ****, you have to find a way around it, in general.
TEHPRIEM: I think Darrell and I are going.
Pi
Smash Hero
yea i couldn't figure out how to do the fsmash angles i think or i just forgot
I've had to face both Luigi and Links in tournaments before without any training in the matchup whatsoever. Needless to say, I didn't do too well.
I could easily see myself using secondaries against those two. And Ganondorf. I'm so bad versus Ganondorf, that also seems like a really hard MU for Samus.
Nice to see some general advice though, I'm going to make a mental note of some of the advice here. Might come in handy at BEAST2.
I could easily see myself using secondaries against those two. And Ganondorf. I'm so bad versus Ganondorf, that also seems like a really hard MU for Samus.
Nice to see some general advice though, I'm going to make a mental note of some of the advice here. Might come in handy at BEAST2.