Evo 2013 Ruleset

[leffen]

We apparently have a case of stage-huggers in our community LMAOooo

Pathetic.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

We apparently have a case of stage-huggers in our community LMAOooo

Pathetic.

Wait... the people who want more stages are the stage-huggers? Not the people who are clinging to the "precious few"?

 

[Strong Badam]

Nope. I read the responses. I just don't think thats a good reason why we shouldn't do a poll. And once again, no one has offered a better solution.

It's a good thing you're the authority on what good reasons are here, or all hope would be lost.

Be honest with me here, Laijin. Do you have any intention of attending EVO, or any major tournament outside of the East Coast? If not, I'd suggest you quietly stop your discussion here and focus on what actually concerns you; discussing with your local community and TOs about what stagelists you'd like to see at tournaments you might actually attend. If you want to succeed, you shouldn't start with the mountain as a whole, but with the base of that mountain. Your ideals aren't inherently doomed to fail, only the way with which you've tried to go about them. There is no "situation" to inform Mr. Wizard about. As I said in my previous post, the vast majority of the active community (read: community that attends tournaments semi-regularly) are content with our current stagelist, just as you might have been 2+ years ago.

 

[KayB]

How exactly is the stage ruleset in Apex broken? As someone who has never been to a major or understands the significance of stage-banning, I would like to know.

 

[Gea]

How exactly is the stage ruleset in Apex broken? As someone who has never been to a major or understands the significance of stage-banning, I would like to know.

They aren't. He picked up on people's issues with DSR(M) and went full hyperbole. Basically the issue with DSR modified is that it weighs importance on the order of games as to whether or not you can CP to the same place twice in a Bo5 set. DSR simply prevents you from picking a stage you have won on, but with a small stage list it can give you few options in a Bo5 if you actually want an advantage when counterpicking. It's minor and only affects Bo5 which a minority of players even get to play in, and it's preference as to which rule you prefer. Both are not ideal and thus you have people like Bones suggesting alternative rules to replace it.

As for the stage list discussion, it's probably best to leave that in the thread in the Melee forum and not spill over into the EVO thread.

 

[Strong Badam]

I personally find Laijin's values to be contradictory. He finds that the current stage list devalues adaptability and proficiency on multiple and varied stages in comparison to the older stage lists, yet argues for stage bans. Why exactly is the skillset "Proficiency on ~9-10 stages, except for 2 per set" vastly more preferable to the skillset "Proficiency on 6 stages"?

 

[Lovage]

Can someone who supports the "more counter-picks" thing post a list of which stages they want added and their rationale for why they want them added? This seems to be a pretty big issue to those that support it and I'm genuinely curious to see what their line of thinking is.

big hullabaloo over like 2-3 stages at most

anyone who wants actually wants rainbow cruise in tournaments can uninstall their life* people have the shortest memories i swear, game is WAY better off now that we just play neutrals

on another note i read this thread and changed my mind bout wobbling, let it rock **** it nobody plays icies anyway

 

[Atlus8]

I still like my rule set above all others because I'm so amazing!

-4 stock
-5 minute
-1st stage is played on Battlefield
-Winner bans one stage

Counterpicks:
-Yoshi's Island
-PK Stadium
-Fountain of Dreams
-Final Destination
-Kongo Jungle 64
-Dream Land 64

 

[DMG]

I stopped reading at 5 min timer

 

[Clever]

This thread has gone downhill.

 

[Battlecow]

late to the party but

wobbling should be legal

mr wizard knows where it's at

1. noobs love watching wobbling it gets hype

2. we should be concerned about competitiveness above crowd-pleasing anyways

 

[Battlecow]

late to the party but

wobbling should be legal

mr wizard knows where it's at

1. noobs love watching wobbling it gets hype

2. we should be concerned about competitiveness above crowd-pleasing anyways

 

[LLDL]

OK, here is what im proposing.

Apex ruleset. Ice climbers are free to wobble, pause disabled, 4 stock, 8 minutes, 2/3 games, warmups limited to 30 seconds (to make sure your controllers are working).

We will narrow it down to top 8 via one day, but you can play casuals and run side tournaments the other free day.

Thoughts?

Sounds good to me

 

[KayB]

Can't we just close this thread already?

 

[MK26]

Just out of curiosity, what's so bad about Brinstar? I understand it's "jank" and whatnot, but did it lead to degenerate gameplay?

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

Just out of curiosity, what's so bad about Brinstar? I understand it's "jank" and whatnot, but did it lead to degenerate gameplay?

"Top players" will have their feelings hurt if they lose as a result of not paying attention to stage dynamics.

 

[Tee ay eye]

anyone who wants actually wants rainbow cruise in tournaments can uninstall their life* people have the shortest memories i swear, game is WAY better off now that we just play neutrals

on another note i read this thread and changed my mind bout wobbling, let it rock **** it nobody plays icies anyway

i love you oscar

OK, here is what im proposing.

Apex ruleset. Ice climbers are free to wobble, pause disabled, 4 stock, 8 minutes, 2/3 games, warmups limited to 30 seconds (to make sure your controllers are working).

We will narrow it down to top 8 via one day, but you can play casuals and run side tournaments the other free day.

Thoughts?

sounds great, as long as that's basically the same treatment that the other games are getting

are the other games being narrowed down to top 8 in one day?

 

[Pengie]

"Top players" will have their feelings hurt if they lose as a result of not paying attention to stage dynamics.

Or maybe it's that it allows characters with strong priority underneath them (peach/falco come to mind) to stay on the top platform and abuse their priority in a way that they can't really do elsewhere. IMO, this is a pretty derpy/degenerate tactic and warrants it being banned.

 

[Laijin]

Or maybe it's that it allows characters with strong priority underneath them (peach/falco come to mind) to stay on the top platform and abuse their priority in a way that they can't really do elsewhere. IMO, this is a pretty derpy/degenerate tactic and warrants it being banned.

What keeps them from doing that on the "neutral" stages...lol.

 

[Pengie]

What keeps them from doing that on the "neutral" stages...lol.

The fact that other stages don't get completely covered in a hitbox that forces you to try to challenge them on the platform >.>

 

[Laijin]

The fact that other stages don't get completely covered in a hitbox that forces you to try to challenge them on the platform >.>

Its fair if you don't like Brinstar, but you can't blanket that logic across all the counter picks.

 

[Pengie]

Its fair if you don't like Brinstar, but you can't blanket that logic across all the counter picks.

Wait, what does that even mean? How did you get me applying the same logic to all counter-picks from that post?

 

[Bones0]

I propose a donation drive. Which ever ruleset makes the most money will be used for Evo, the charity will be bobacks's venue. Obvious only the people who care about the Evo ruleset would donate and that's a good way if getting rid of random posters.

I read "donation drive" and lost it. lmfao

We apparently have a case of stage-huggers in our community LMAOooo

Pathetic.

LOL @ stage huggers.

It's a good thing you're the authority on what good reasons are here, or all hope would be lost.

Be honest with me here, Laijin. Do you have any intention of attending EVO, or any major tournament outside of the East Coast? If not, I'd suggest you quietly stop your discussion here and focus on what actually concerns you; discussing with your local community and TOs about what stagelists you'd like to see at tournaments you might actually attend. If you want to succeed, you shouldn't start with the mountain as a whole, but with the base of that mountain. Your ideals aren't inherently doomed to fail, only the way with which you've tried to go about them. There is no "situation" to inform Mr. Wizard about. As I said in my previous post, the vast majority of the active community (read: community that attends tournaments semi-regularly) are content with our current stagelist, just as you might have been 2+ years ago.

He's been to two tournaments since his hiatus, and one of them had RC, BS, KJ, and Corneria legal. lol

I still like my rule set above all others because I'm so amazing!

-4 stock
-5 minute
-1st stage is played on Battlefield
-Winner bans one stage

Counterpicks:
-Yoshi's Island
-PK Stadium
-Fountain of Dreams
-Final Destination
-Kongo Jungle 64
-Dream Land 64

Forcing BF game 1 makes no sense. Just because you like it the most or think it's the most fair doesn't mean it is. That's what stage striking is for. 5 minute is hopefully a typo because every game would just time out. I'd love to see a tournament use this ruleset and crash and burn.

 

[KrIsP!]

are the other games being narrowed down to top 8 in one day?

Unless we break a thousand entrants that's the most he can do for us. Other games will get the same treatment but Marvel or SF might get 1.5 days just because of sheer numbers. I think all top 8's happen sunday because the spectator fees is cheaper for Fri-Sat and more expensive for all 3 days so I'm guessing that's what he'll do. We'll probably be narrowed down Friday and then go Sunday morning or night since they'll probably not want to switch hardware midstream for us until they have to. Gives people all of Sat for friendlies if it does happen, doubles side tourney? Hopefully someone streams, I heard that you can pay the hotel for internet and set up your own stream, it'd be a ***** but I'd pay to subscribe to someone live VGBC if they did something like that.

 

[Laijin]

Unless we break a thousand entrants that's the most he can do for us. Other games will get the same treatment but Marvel or SF might get 1.5 days just because of sheer numbers. I think all top 8's happen sunday because the spectator fees is cheaper for Fri-Sat and more expensive for all 3 days so I'm guessing that's what he'll do. We'll probably be narrowed down Friday and then go Sunday morning or night since they'll probably not want to switch hardware midstream for us until they have to. Gives people all of Sat for friendlies if it does happen, doubles side tourney? Hopefully someone streams, I heard that you can pay the hotel for internet and set up your own stream, it'd be a ***** but I'd pay to subscribe to someone live VGBC if they did something like that.

Doubles side tournament needs to happen on the off day for sure. It'll hype up the entire venue for Sunday too

 

[Bones0]

Pretty sure paying for the internet hotel is upwards of a $1,000 or something ridiculous. lol

 

[Laijin]

Pretty sure paying for the internet hotel is upwards of a $1,000 or something ridiculous. lol

If the community can raise 94k in 2 weeks im sure people wouldn't mind getting hotel internet for streaming doubles even if it is 1k

 

[Lovage]

edit:

OK, here is what im proposing.

Apex ruleset. Ice climbers are free to wobble, pause disabled, 4 stock, 8 minutes, 2/3 games, warmups limited to 30 seconds (to make sure your controllers are working).

We will narrow it down to top 8 via one day, but you can play casuals and run side tournaments the other free day.

Thoughts?

loooks g00D!

also i hope you're considering 3/5 sets for the top8

 

[Atlus8]

I wouldn't count on 3/5 sets for top 8! Aside from UMvC3, ONLY GF has beed 3/5 for EVERY game! KOF would take a considerable amount of time for 3/5 for all top 8!

 

[Lovage]

oh damn, i shoulda payed closer attn to last year's evo

aight 2/3 it is

 

[strawhats]

If the community can raise 94k in 2 weeks im sure people wouldn't mind getting hotel internet for streaming doubles even if it is 1k

still that seems a little ridiculous

 

[KrIsP!]

Well, thing is MMs, exhibition matches, doubles and non-top8 singles won't be streamed. I mean TBH, if G3N is happening then who gives a **** about doubles? But streaming other days would be nice. Any one got a 4G LTE phone?

 

[Revven]

non-Top 8 Singles is being streamed, dude. All main event games get stream time pre-Top 8. They'll just choose certain matches to have up on the stream, or a certain bracket pool gets the stream set up. That's one of the differences being a main event game.

 

[smashmachine]

edit:




loooks g00D!

also i hope you're considering 3/5 sets for the top8

*likes the proposed ruleset*
*gives it a thumbs down*
rofl lovage

 

[Doomolish]

If I'm gonna be changrabbed to death there's no point on banning wobbling then IMO.

 

[MK26]

Pengie, thanks for the input. Does anyone have any other qualms with Brinstar? I'm actually really curious as to why it isn't legal any more.

 

[Anth0ny]

OK, here is what im proposing.

Apex ruleset. Ice climbers are free to wobble, pause disabled, 4 stock, 8 minutes, 2/3 games, warmups limited to 30 seconds (to make sure your controllers are working).

We will narrow it down to top 8 via one day, but you can play casuals and run side tournaments the other free day.

Thoughts?

Sounds perfect.

3/5 top 8 would be greatly appreciated, but if we're running low on time it's no biggie

 

[ph00tbag]

#nobuttonchecks

Real talk, though, there are no control settings in Melee. Your buttons do the same ****ing thing every time you spin up the disc. You don't need a ****ing button check,

Spoiler

Mew2King

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No johns.

 

[PB&J]

MR. Wizard- please let there be best of 5 in the top 8 .

 

[Atlus8]

I'll say this again, only UMvC3 have 3/5 sets for top 128 because of how crazy and "random" that game can be! All other games have 3/5 sets for GF only! Unless they are scheduling top 8 for four games on Saturday and top 8 for the rest of the games on Sunday, then I don't see it happening!

Forcing BF game 1 makes no sense. Just because you like it the most or think it's the most fair doesn't mean it is. That's what stage striking is for. 5 minute is hopefully a typo because every game would just time out. I'd love to see a tournament use this ruleset and crash and burn.

Bookmarking this comment for if I one day win the lottery, I'll host a damn huge tournament!