Election Day '08: Obama Wins, Old guy doesn't

[Mic_128]

See, you guys, are the worthless members of America, whos votes corrupt an actual ballot.

You post petty arguments on claims of nothing. This guy served in the War for you and all you do is talk smack about him. Then some muslim guy comes a long who CAN NOT be an FBI or a legal agent because of his known acts, not because hes old or anything like that.

Im ashamed to be part of a forum were a moderator acts like that.

That's okay, I'm ashamed to moderate an internet forum where people act like you.

See, you guys, are the worthless members of America, whos votes corrupt an actual ballot.

Aside from the obvious "I'm Australian, not American" how did they corrupt the ballot? They voted for who they wanted, and enough voted for the guy to win. there was no bribes, no rigging, no ballot boxes going missing, ect. It was a fair vote.

 

[Neon Ness]

Veng is getting rocked by all of the Moderators on SWF at once.

... :bigthumbu

 

[Red Wolf]

wow....Parents heard some shooting in the area were they bought tacos...and saw a guy with a sheet covered over him...hmmm political argument maybe?

 

[Neon Ness]

wow....Parents heard some shooting in the area were they bought tacos...and saw a guy with a sheet covered over him...hmmm political argument maybe?

Wait, where!? Please, no KKK scares.

 

[Lord Viper]

See, you guys, are the worthless members of America, whos votes corrupt an actual ballot.

I stop reading here, you need to chill on words like that. A new president JUST got elected in, no one will know what his actions would do until the next day and the day after that. Also, it's about time to see a Demorcatic President in action after seeing eight years of Republican, and the last president effed up the US, IMO.

 

[Red Wolf]

Wait, where!? Please, no KKK scares.

It was near alhambra....kind of a creepy thought

 

[Azua]

Why can't I have fun I have riiights

NOT UNDER OBAMA, WHITE BOY!*









*this is satire

 

[Darkslash]

See, you guys, are the worthless members of America, whos votes corrupt an actual ballot.

Yea i stopped there and was ashamed that i was a member of these boards who have people like you.

Ifs a ****ing vote. How the **** is it going to corrupt it? Because they( i live in a country where we whoop before da shoop) voted a guy who probably is going to do a better job than the other guy(maybe by a small margin at minimum)

 

[M@v]

Congratulations to Mr. Obama and his family. I voted McCain, but you should back whoever gets elected. Also, I am looking forward to see if Obama lives up to his promises, and is willing to work with the American people.

One thing freaks me out though , and I blame Obama's campaign runners for this:

This looks AWFULLY similar to Soviet propaganda posters.

 

[Eor]

It was actually the intention, based on an interview with an artist (who didn't work with the campaign, but I think they just let him do it)

"The image has been interpreted by critics as either capturing the inspiration Obama embodies or as just downright creepy in its propagandistic depiction of the political figure. The portrait, in muted tones, takes cues from socialist realism and is reminiscent of posters created to celebrate Lenin, Stalin and Mao. Fairey has enjoyed this debate. "The illustration does have roots in propaganda art," Fairey said. "I also want it to seem like a patriotic image, but not be seen as too countercultural. ... It needed just enough mainstream ingredients to transcend."

 

[BlublacMH]

Congrats to Obama, a well deserved win. I cant see how anyone can automatically assume that because he's inexperienced he will be the worst president ever. NO ONE can be worse than Hoover, Nixon & Bush. As long as Obama continues the work to fix the economy, and comes up with a decent plan for the war, he'll be hailed as a hero

 

[chaos_Leader]

I've been following this since the 2006 senate and house elections. I can finally stop watching the news day after day.

Obama is going to be just fine as President. Another thing to watch for is the Senate and House races. The Democrats have already expanded their majority in both parts of Congress, some of the Senate races are still being decided. Personally, I'm still eyeing the U.S. senate race in my home state, Oregon, Gordon (R) vs. Merkley (D). It's one of the closest races tonight.

 

[urdailywater]

@urdailywater

No he's not Muslim.

If he wasn't born in the US he couldn't run for president >__>

Gotcha. I knew he had to be a U.S. citizen.

I seriously hate the bias in the media, or at least rumors. Really makes things complicated in elections.

I was still neutral, but in a sense am glad Obama won. Still doesn't matter to me much.
God bless America.

 

[Xsyven]

McCain was born in Panama.

 

[urdailywater]

No, no, no. Stop it, please.

Special thanks to Pyro.

I wander what Washington is thinking right now? I think he was a plantation owner. Maybe that was Adams though, or Jefferson. One of those guys.

 

[BloodMagnumX]

McCain must recover! Bummer for any of my fellow McCain supporters.

 

[Bowser King]

McCain got 3 stocked
-Bowser King

 

[Quail Man]

It seemed like the economy was a big issue that helped Obama win, so can anyone tell me how he actually planned to improve the economy, because bankrupting big companies by increasing taxes doesn't seem like it would help much.

 

[GoldShadow]

You post petty arguments on claims of nothing. This guy served in the War for you and all you do is talk smack about him. Then some muslim guy comes a long who CAN NOT be an FBI or a legal agent because of his known acts, not because hes old or anything like that.

He did not serve in a war for us (how was that war at all related to America or American freedom?)

Second, serving in the military is an honorable thing to do, without a doubt. But it does not qualify one to be president.

Veng, I hope you weren't old enough to vote, because frankly, you're an idiot.

 

[Eor]

It seemed like the economy was a big issue that helped Obama win, so can anyone tell me how he actually planned to improve the economy, because bankrupting big companies by increasing taxes doesn't seem like it would help much.

A google search for something like "obama economy" might help you

Not that it matters to whitey, you the *****s now. Our time to shine

 

[blayde_axel]

A google search for something like "obama economy" might help you

Not that it matters to whitey, you the *****s now. Our time to shine

lol. Actually, I would think Mexican/Hispanics are the *****s now, but whitey's running a close second.

 

[Skler]

He did not serve in a war for us (how was that war at all related to America or American freedom?)

What an *******. There are few things that really piss me off, and saying that anyone who was in America's armed forces wasn't serving America is one of those things. Way to support the troops.

Who the **** are you to take any credit away from someone who went to a foreign country and fought for America's interests? The man got tortured and you say he wasn't serving America when that happened. At the very least he stopped somebody else from having to go to war.

You say it's honorable, but you proceed to **** all over what soldiers stand for. They represent our country and fight for us, they are always serving America.

I hope Obama does well now that he's been elected, I just don't have much faith in him because his health care plan is horrible and his Iraq plan is awful. I hope everything else goes well and he doesn't screw up those first two things too badly.

 

[Quail Man]

A google search for something like "obama economy" might help you

ORLY?

I already know he plans on taxing companies more and giving tax breaks to the working class. I want to know how he thinks that will help the economy.

What an *******. There are few things that really piss me off, and saying that anyone who was in America's armed forces wasn't serving America is one of those things. Way to support the troops.

Who the **** are you to take any credit away from someone who went to a foreign country and fought for America's interests? The man got tortured and you say he wasn't serving America when that happened. At the very least he stopped somebody else from having to go to war.

You say it's honorable, but you proceed to **** all over what soldiers stand for. They represent our country and fight for us, they are always serving America.

I hope Obama does well now that he's been elected, I just don't have much faith in him because his health care plan is horrible and his Iraq plan is awful. I hope everything else goes well and he doesn't screw up those first two things too badly.

QFT

btw: Obama's going to have a bit of trouble passing new laws because the Democrats still don't have the 60 senators they needed.

 

[M.K]

What an *******. There are few things that really piss me off, and saying that anyone who was in America's armed forces wasn't serving America is one of those things. Way to support the troops.

Who the **** are you to take any credit away from someone who went to a foreign country and fought for America's interests? The man got tortured and you say he wasn't serving America when that happened. At the very least he stopped somebody else from having to go to war.

You say it's honorable, but you proceed to **** all over what soldiers stand for. They represent our country and fight for us, they are always serving America.

I hope Obama does well now that he's been elected, I just don't have much faith in him because his health care plan is horrible and his Iraq plan is awful. I hope everything else goes well and he doesn't screw up those first two things too badly.

Quoted for Truth. That was extraordinarily horrible for him to say.

 

[kigbariom]

B.O Hells yeah!
I woke up at 5am to watch elections...

 

[NES n00b]

He did not serve in a war for us (how was that war at all related to America or American freedom?)

Second, serving in the military is an honorable thing to do, without a doubt. But it does not qualify one to be president.

Veng, I hope you weren't old enough to vote, because frankly, you're an idiot.

Hate to sound like some patriotic idiot cause really I am not always proud of what wars were chosen, but don't say he didn't serve America by being in the Army. Even if the war didn't serve America, he did. He has done some pretty bad things from being an adulterer, to being very involved in the keating scandal, and even just being a regular politician by giving misleading info on candidates and choosing policies that he hadn't supported before to get through primaries. He, however, still served America at that moment so don't brush it off just cause you don't support that we didn't go to that war.

Also, I didn't know Obama had a plan to tax Oil Companies (the part I did know) and then give people 1,000 dollars from those taxes. I don't remember reading that when I first went through his site. I don't know how I missed this.

 

[semaira]

were doomed

 

[Eor]

ORLY?

I already know he plans on taxing companies more and giving tax breaks to the working class. I want to know how he thinks that will help the economy.

By giving more money to people who spend it and by giving the government more money to spend to stimulate and help the economy. That is how he thinks it will help.

btw: Obama's going to have a bit of trouble passing new laws because the Democrats still don't have the 60 senators they needed.

The 60 seats wasn't needed, it was only something they wanted to stop fillibusters, which almost never happen anyways. Dems control the senate and house and don't have the threat of a veto on most things, he'll have no trouble.

Hate to sound like some patriotic idiot cause really I am not always proud of what wars were chosen, but don't say he didn't serve America by being in the Army. Even if the war didn't serve America, he did. He has done some pretty bad things from being an adulterer, to being very involved in the keating scandal, and even just being a regular politician by giving misleading info on candidates and choosing policies that he hadn't supported before to get through primaries. He, however, still served America at that moment so don't brush it off just cause you don't support that we didn't go to that war.

Also, I didn't know Obama had a plan to tax Oil Companies (the part I did know) and then give people 1,000 dollars from those taxes. I don't remember reading that when I first went through his site. I don't know how I missed this.

Quoted for Truth. That was extraordinarily horrible for him to say.

What an *******. There are few things that really piss me off, and saying that anyone who was in America's armed forces wasn't serving America is one of those things. Way to support the troops.

Who the **** are you to take any credit away from someone who went to a foreign country and fought for America's interests? The man got tortured and you say he wasn't serving America when that happened. At the very least he stopped somebody else from having to go to war.

You say it's honorable, but you proceed to **** all over what soldiers stand for. They represent our country and fight for us, they are always serving America.

I hope Obama does well now that he's been elected, I just don't have much faith in him because his health care plan is horrible and his Iraq plan is awful. I hope everything else goes well and he doesn't screw up those first two things too badly.

I like how peopel can say whatever the hell they want, then the second someone says that the Vietnam war didn't help America you all vomit on him. I don't think Goldshadow was right in the jist of his comment, but calm the **** down. We have rapists and murderers in our military, and we've done bad things in Iraq. Just like every military that has ever existed and gone to war. Every soldier is not a shining beacon of morality, they're just regular people. Some are self sacrificing, others just want to kill people or want the money or want to escape. There is no reason for the military to be such a taboo to talk about.

 

[Quail Man]

By giving more money to people who spend it and by giving the government more money to spend to stimulate and help the economy. That is how he thinks it will help.

When he takes money away from the companies, they have to lower the pay of their workers and raise their prices to make up the difference. Then the extra money that "the people who spend it" get will just go towards offsetting their pay cut and paying for the more expensive products.

Edit: my point is that Obama's trickle up policy and McCain and Bush's trickle down policies eventually result in the same thing: what we had before.

 

[Eor]

No, by giving money to consumers he is creating greater demand for goods, which will then increase the business profits, which he is also trying to help with small businesses.

Will it work? I dunno, the economy doesn't make much sense to me. But I can fact check things very easily, and McCain was wrong or lying about half of what he claimed his proposals would do, so I gave the economic benefit of a doubt to Obama.

 

[LatexRhombus]

Obama is about as econ-savvy as a two year old who hasn't learned to talk yet. Raising taxes on corporations causes input prices to increase (those are the cost to actually produce the goods, obviously the higher costs would make producing a good less favorable), which leads to mass lay-offs cuz the cost of labor will be too large for the businesses, because the profit margins will decline. Eor...demand is eroneous; economic well-being is based off of supply. An increase in supply corresponds with higher output (obviously) and lower prices, whereas a decline in supply results in less output and higher prices (inflation). Also, supply creates its own demand because as business expand unemployment drops and more people get jobs and receive money which they can in turn pour back into the market place. Obama's economic plans can only be described as recessionary, and with the current state of things, it won't be long before we are plunged into the second Great Depression. Why does no one understand this? For the love of God, contraction has already begun. The market place, knowing the obama win was impending, already began to decline, because businesses will react to things as soon as possible; before they occur if the opportunity presents itself. Lay-offs and declines in the stock market have already increased and it wont be long before the entire foundation of freedom that we built this country on plunges into the abyss.

Moreover, taking money from the upper classes hurts EVERYONE. Think about it, a tax cut of 5% on people who make large sums of money will put a lot more money into the economy thatn a tax-cut of 5% on people who make hardly anything. The result would be that the upper classes would increase investment and consumption, which would ultimately aid everyone by increasing GDP and leading to more employment opportunities, an expanding economy, and a better standard of living. On the other hand, taxing them more will cease expansion and head the other direction. Unemployment will go up; it is factual, no matter what he says. I don't care if the rich are better off, but i do care if the poor are worse off, and mark my words; everyone will be worse off.

Finally, cutting taxes has always shown an increase in revenues for the government, because people are simply more likely to pay them and not engage in tax evasion schemes. Also, the cost of collecting one additional dollar in taxes costs the governmetn MUCH more than one dollar. They have to pay tons of people and organizations to taek care of simple matters and oversee that they are carried out properly. What else? He is giong to increase capital gains tax, which is a tax on the money people make in the stock market, obviously less people will be willing to invest if they don't even get to keep a large percent of their money; especially in risky investment situations. We are screwed.

lol, sorry i feel like adding some more. I love America and I love the capitalistic ideals that we were built on, allowing people from any background to move up or down based on their personal successes. Very few places in the world have as much income mobility (the ability to move between different classes) as we because the government limits incentives and in turn removes opportunities for advancement. This has always set us apart and made us proud; why now are we throwing it away? The more government involvement, the less opportunities people have to move between brackets, sure some poor people might get some more welfare, but their opportunities to advance are virtually non-existent. That is not America. Where has the patriotism gone?

 

[McFox]

Quail Man, I changed your location because holy **** was that annoying. If your location is stretching the page out enough to where I have to scroll to the RIGHT to read what people are saying, then it's too long.

Also, in the speeches I've heard, Obama hasn't talked about "I'm going to fix everything." What I've heard him continually say is that "We have to start working to fix what's wrong with America." People want someone to go into the Oval Office and fix their lives, but only through a lot of people's hard work and time can we fix the problems in this country. How did we get out of the Great Depression? FDR and his programs helped, but it was because everyone in the country believed in it again and began working for themselves to try and shape the future (the fact that they had WWII to rally behind and support didn't hurt either).

Obama can't fix the country. He can only inspire the country to fix itself.

 

[GreenKirby]

Well, he once did say that change start from the bottom up.

 

[M.K]

I liike how peopel can say whatever the hell they want, then the second someone says that the Vietnam war didn't help America you all vomit on him. I don't think Goldshadow was right in the jist of his comment, but calm the **** down. We have rapists and murderers in our military, and we've done bad things in Iraq. Just like every military that has ever existed and gone to war. Every soldier is not a shining beacon of morality, they're just regular people. Some are self sacrificing, others just want to kill people or want the money or want to escape. There is no reason for the military to be such a taboo to talk about.

I don't get your point.
Is McCain one of these ****** and murdering people in the military?
No. He was not. I don't understand why you can't acknowledge that he served this country.

 

[Eor]

I don't get your point.

People have no reason to flip a **** when someone makes a small, non-overly patriotic comment about the military. Goldshadow did not say "**** HIM", he said that the war in Vietnam did not serve America, and therefore McCain wasn't serving America.

Is McCain one of these ****** and murdering people in the military?
No. He was not. I don't understand why you can't acknowledge that he served this country.

Perhaps if you took time to read my posts, you'll see where I said "I don't agree with Goldshadow". But this isn't our first time talking, so I know you tend to lie to make outrageous claims then slink away when called to back them up. Like when you said Obama called on Palin to have an abortion and presented a "quote" for it.

Finally, cutting taxes has always shown an increase in revenues for the government, because people are simply more likely to pay them and not engage in tax evasion schemes.

I call misinformed bull****.

And here's something new, I can prove it!

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/have_tax_cuts_always_resulted_in_higher.html

 

[hectichobo]

Obama Won. He's gonna end the war come January while Osama Bin Laden is still out there doing god knows what. Oh boy. That's what happens when a person who has no idea what they are doing in the middle-east becomes leader of the most powerful country in the world. He's gonna be assassinated by March. I have a bet on it with someone.

 

[M.K]

People have no reason to flip a **** when someone makes a small, non-overly patriotic comment about the military. Goldshadow did not say "**** HIM", he said that the war in Vietnam did not serve America, and therefore McCain wasn't serving America.



Perhaps if you took time to read my posts, you'll see where I said "I don't agree with Goldshadow". But this isn't our first time talking, so I know you tend to lie to make outrageous claims then slink away when called to back them up. Like when you said Obama called on Palin to have an abortion and presented a "quote"

How dare you.
That man risked his ****ing life for something that he was SENT to do. It doesn't matter if it was for the benefit or los of America, he did it honorably.
You want non-patrioitc comments? Listen to Michelle Obama and her "For the first time in my life I'm proud of my country" ****.

 

[NES n00b]

I like how peopel can say whatever the hell they want, then the second someone says that the Vietnam war didn't help America you all vomit on him. I don't think Goldshadow was right in the jist of his comment, but calm the **** down. We have rapists and murderers in our military, and we've done bad things in Iraq. Just like every military that has ever existed and gone to war. Every soldier is not a shining beacon of morality, they're just regular people. Some are self sacrificing, others just want to kill people or want the money or want to escape. There is no reason for the military to be such a taboo to talk about.

Your right in alot of things. People pick and choose what to counter and so it happens that I choose something that is defending something I believe in like everyone else. You don't correct everybody you see when they make a mistake do you? That said I meant no disrespect and I know not all soldiers are shining beacons of morality, but you can't justify shrugging of Mccain's service just because Mcnamara, Robert Kennedy, and Lyndon B Johnson decided it was a good idea to go to war there. Just like people can't justify attacking Obama by saying his father was a Muslim so he must be a Muslim which is not only a fallacy, but doesn't really matter at the end.

When it comes to stuff of this nature, shouldn't it be "until proven guilty?" You could tell me there is all this military running around that stuff and statistically speaking it is going to happen, but you can't shrug off someone's record because of justixposition of something that is mutually exclusive but still related in subject. The point is don't ignore the fact that he served just because it was a terrible war.

While I am doing this I would like to point out a contradiction in both conservative and liberal thinking in terms of the soldiers. Liberal's very like to point out that conservatives cheapen the service of military people by hiding behind an empty badge of honor for fighting wars they started in order to make the issue of "why should we go to war or is this war being done the right way," into one of "are you questioning or belittling the troops." While the liberals are right in alot of cases they are equally guilty in the sense that they belittle troops by down playing accomplishments that are made in a war or pointing out every loss they make more as a political gain. The best part is that both would immediately switch sides on a war depending on which side got us into the war and who got us out. So in other words, both sides cheapen the image of soldiers or build them up when it is appropriate for their seat while everyone else a. follows the change or b. follows the classical case of liberals blasting soldiers for something that is mostly not their fault as a whole while conservatives hide behind a patriotic symbol to say that no one in the army can do no wrong. Of course no one corrects them about this when it is their party, but that is how the world works.

 

[Azua]

Meta-Kirby, are you just ignoring what Eor said or what?

 

[M.K]

Meta-Kirby, are you just ignoring what Eor said or what?

Eh, I re-read it and realized that I guess i missed his point.
That was more directed towards to the other guy =/