educational conversation

[-_skinny_-]

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as much as i seem "********" or "slow" im incredibly smart and i love knowledge. im what u call a knowledge seeker, whenever i hear something i question it and think to myself "is this the only viable theory?" and "how did they get to this conclusion" and "is this a viable source"
ok first thing first, something that alot of people want to know is how did life start on this planet? the most common theory is that it started in a soup of primordial sludge where amino acids combined in just the right way that it basically sparked life, but the chances of that are unfathomable, thus i start to question this theory. after searching the interweb i came across another theory called "panspermia" and it states that life started somewhere else in the universe and traveled via comets. somehow this dsnt seem so farfetched because the universe is so immensely large that it is less likely that we are alone in it. anyways, it seems more likely because life mite have started on a different planet that had a more suitable environment.
more info here:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0814093819.htm

so to anyone that wants to share theyr thoughts, just keep it smart, i want people to learn things from this thread

 

[-_skinny_-]

this is not just theories bout the world, u can posts ur own views here, like personally i dont think that grades provide a clear indication of your inteligence, like for example, i had a 1.2 gpa, that dsnt mean im stupid. other factors hindered my preformance like ADHD, a really deep depression, anger issues, and alot of other things. i was stagnating in school because i basically knew everything they wer aready teaching haha lol
i think the moder educational system is bull. u cant force ur kids into school, they wont be motivated to learn that way, i think we shld go bak to the greek way amd learn from our elders and philosophers that teach from experience.

 

[GwJ]

inb4ADHDnamesearches

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

I have always been wondering about alien stereotypes. Everybody pictures aliens as these small, green things with bug eyes. But what if they're not? What if they're humans like us? You see, one-celled organisms evolved into humans via gamma rays, which exist all over the universe. What if other organisms got hit and mutated into humans?

 

[GwJ]

They're always stereotyped as what a human would be if we separated at a certain point in the evolutionary process usually. A lot of people believe a part of the race was left here to continue at the beginning of humanity which explains the similarities of humans and supposed aliens.

 

[-_skinny_-]

well since the topic is on aliens there more than likelly is more than one species of aliens much like theres more than one species of animals on earth, thats due to survival of the fittest and evolution (not gamma rays those kill you). aliens dont haf to be inteligent beings either, it mite as well be a single celled organism who knows?
ok bak to gamma rays, i think i understand ur logic as in genetic mutation effected evolution at some point, but the chances are slim at best because mutation affects a single organism and alot of the time it affects it for the worst thus resulting in it not reproducing because it is a weak specimen. one again back to the survival of the fittest comment

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Survival of the fittest acts on given mutations that are favorable for adaptation to the environment. UV rays could affect a number of organisms as many animals including humans are susceptible to absorbing UV light rays and causing thymine base pairs to fuse together to form thymine-thymine dimers. It is possible that we originated from marine life due to the fact that the surface of the ocean water would deflect most UV rays back into the atmosphere and allow for some genetic stability for aquatic organisms. If mutations affect an exon which is a coding portion of a gene and ends up replacing a base pair, then that mutation will be transferred and expressed in subsequent progeny. Unless SOS repair mechanisms fix that mutation before it gets transferred, then it will be seen as a part of the genetic code and DNA Polymerase will code and create a complementary base pair for that genetic sequence when it gets carried over by sexual reproduction.

 

[-_skinny_-]

Survival of the fittest acts on given mutations that are favorable for adaptation to the environment. UV rays could affect a number of organisms as many animals including humans are susceptible to absorbing UV light rays and causing thymine base pairs to fuse together to form thymine-thymine dimers. It is possible that we originated from marine life due to the fact that the surface of the ocean water would deflect most UV rays back into the atmosphere and allow for some genetic stability for aquatic organisms. If mutations affect an exon which is a coding portion of a gene and ends up replacing a base pair, then that mutation will be transferred and expressed in subsequent progeny. Unless SOS repair mechanisms fix that mutation before it gets transferred, then it will be seen as a part of the genetic code and DNA Polymerase will code and create a complementary base pair for that genetic sequence when it gets carried over by sexual reproduction.

First thing, i was always told that was called "adaptation" and it wasnt really mutation, but a favorable trait that potential mates find it would be beneficial for the offspring to aquire

Second thing, this reminds me of something that my friend ben said. he said that people are closelly related to dolphins and other marine mammals and he came to this point through realization that humans and a few other species reproduce ummm "face to face" which marine mammals do, but most land animals do it like they do on the discovery channel

Great post btw *thumbs up*

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

this is not just theories bout the world, u can posts ur own views here, like personally i dont think that grades provide a clear indication of your inteligence, like for example, i had a 1.2 gpa, that dsnt mean im stupid. other factors hindered my preformance like ADHD, a really deep depression, anger issues, and alot of other things. i was stagnating in school because i basically knew everything they wer aready teaching haha lol
i think the moder educational system is bull. u cant force ur kids into school, they wont be motivated to learn that way, i think we shld go bak to the greek way amd learn from our elders and philosophers that teach from experience.

If you don't get good grades in school then of course you would complain about it. The system doesn't work in your favor and thus you are upset because you believe that you are intelligent and smart. According to you, it is not a problem with you, but rather a system that works for everyone but yourself. If you truly knew everything that was being taught, then you wouldn't have had a 1.2 GPA unless you intentionally chose wrong answers in order to lower your score. This statement is stupid because it clearly shows that your opinions are biased to suit your own needs and do not adhere to any degree of objectivity. On one hand you argue that you have had a number of mental factors that prevent you from learning and on the other you state that you already knew everything that was being taught. These two statements conflict and show that you really don't have a clear argument and instead of elaborating on these two contentions you choose to segway into Athenian society.

I assume you're talking about Athens because that is the setting for philosophers such as Scorates and Plato. During this time, only the rich received any form of education from philosophers who were known as the Sophists. For someone who is interesting in the pursuit of knowledge, you are better off in modern society than you would be back then. The only person who sought knowledge was Socrates who was ultimately brought to court on charges of impiety and corrupting the youth and was killed by hemlock. I don't understand why you would want to revert back to basic philosophy when they aspired to achieve the knowledge that we are taught today.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Your posts are extremely difficult to read.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

First thing, i was always told that was called "adaptation" and it wasnt really mutation, but a favorable trait that potential mates find it would be beneficial for the offspring to aquire

Yeah. But adaptation needs to work on some degree of genetic diversity to pick out the genes that results in phenotypic (physical-showing) characteristics that are more favorable to the environment. This diversity originated from mutations that conferred different genotypes to certain organisms. Animals that had non-helpful mutations died and animals that had helpful mutations express in their genes lived and carried it on to their offspring. Mates don't really go, "that bird has a really sexy beak. Gonna smex him up for an awesome son" all the time. True for certain traits like plummage and other physical characteristics they do judge mates that will live. But the mates that don't adapt, they just die off and can't carry off their genes. Thus only favorable mutations exist in the gene pool and are carried off to other progeny.

Second thing, this reminds me of something that my friend ben said. he said that people are closelly related to dolphins and other marine mammals and he came to this point through realization that humans and a few other species reproduce ummm "face to face" which marine mammals do, but most land animals do it like they do on the discovery channel

Yeah I don't know about that. But it's just another theory. Ocean life allowed organisms to develop enough genetic stability for organisms to live and have offspring. Then they eventually went on land and then evolved based on different genes and environmental conditions.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Second thing, this reminds me of something that my friend ben said. he said that people are closelly related to dolphins and other marine mammals and he came to this point through realization that humans and a few other species reproduce ummm "face to face" which marine mammals do, but most land animals do it like they do on the discovery channel

Humans can do it like they do on the discovery channel as well. It's only a matter of which you prefer, no need for face to face.

 

[-_skinny_-]

If you don't get good grades in school then of course you would complain about it. The system doesn't work in your favor and thus you are upset because you believe that you are intelligent and smart. According to you, it is not a problem with you, but rather a system that works for everyone but yourself. If you truly knew everything that was being taught, then you wouldn't have had a 1.2 GPA unless you intentionally chose wrong answers in order to lower your score. This statement is stupid because it clearly shows that your opinions are biased to suit your own needs and do not adhere to any degree of objectivity. On one hand you argue that you have had a number of mental factors that prevent you from learning and on the other you state that you already knew everything that was being taught. These two statements conflict and show that you really don't have a clear argument and instead of elaborating on these two contentions you choose to segway into Athenian society.

I assume you're talking about Athens because that is the setting for philosophers such as Scorates and Plato. During this time, only the rich received any form of education from philosophers who were known as the Sophists. For someone who is interesting in the pursuit of knowledge, you are better off in modern society than you would be back then. The only person who sought knowledge was Socrates who was ultimately brought to court on charges of impiety and corrupting the youth and was killed by hemlock. I don't understand why you would want to revert back to basic philosophy when they aspired to achieve the knowledge that we are taught today.

ok i will elaborate, i am a fast learner, i hear something and i remember it. i dont do my homework or class work (no new information to me means no motivation, and also those mental factors cause me not to give a crap) wich results in a lower than usual grade but i never NEVER get bellow an 80 in tests and quizez. unless i purposely fail it, which i have done before. The only bias i have is that the current system is too slow for me and i cannot learn to my potential by reading things and just doing class work. i dont believe education works that way.
when i said the greek way it wasnt exclusive to greece (i realize i should have elaborated) but i believe people learn better if you communicate and have discussions and listen to people that speak from experience, along with the written works, i cant stretch the importance of books enuff. it dosnt haf to be a philosopher but the elders of the society (smart ones anyways) too. i feel like im still not elaborating enuff

i love the way u self pwnd and proved my point by saying "when they aspired to achieve the knowledge that we are taught today"

 

[-_skinny_-]

Humans can do it like they do on the discovery channel as well. It's only a matter of which you prefer, no need for face to face.

lol i kno this, just an idea he threw out there.
honestly face to face is not the best idea sometimes...

Yeah. But adaptation needs to work on some degree of genetic diversity to pick out the genes that results in phenotypic (physical-showing) characteristics that are more favorable to the environment. This diversity originated from mutations that conferred different genotypes to certain organisms. Animals that had non-helpful mutations died and animals that had helpful mutations express in their genes lived and carried it on to their offspring. Mates don't really go, "that bird has a really sexy beak. Gonna smex him up for an awesome son" all the time. True for certain traits like plummage and other physical characteristics they do judge mates that will live. But the mates that don't adapt, they just die off and can't carry off their genes. Thus only favorable mutations exist in the gene pool and are carried off to other progeny.

you basically just elaborated what i meant so umm thanks for clearing that up
as for what i said about it not being mutation i stand corrected

 

[Jim Morrison]

i love the way u self pwnd and proved my point by saying "when they aspired to achieve the knowledge that we are taught today"

They wanted to gain the knowledge we are taught in school. They spent a lifetime searching for the answers which we are taught in a few years in school.

 

[GwJ]

Just going back, adaption is just a logical form of mutation.

a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't a square.

 

[-_skinny_-]

They wanted to gain the knowledge we are taught in school. They spent a lifetime searching for the answers which we are taught in a few years in school.

the fact that we are even learning theyr teachings is an extrordinary accomplishment for them. i believe that a thirst of knowledge will take you to great lengths and to some that length is a lifetime of study and information that is still proven correct after hundreds of years. i just think its remarkable how much they learned with such limited supplies, but tradition cant be tout, theyr way of passing information is the point im getting at. modern society has basically turned learning into a competition, it shldnt be about grades but the thrill of learning new things... the mind is polluted with the idea engraved in our subconsciousness as children...

 

[Melomaniacal]

a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't a square.

Other way around.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Other way around.

He had it pretty much right the first time. Every square is a rectangle, but not every rectangle is a square.

 

[SuperBowser]

...what is this topic about again?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

...what is this topic about again?

ADD topic where we speculate about useless stuff like: how the universe began, the education system, and absolutely random crap because the OP said we can go diarrhea fest all over his thread.

 

[Omnicron's Baklava Enterprises]

Can't you just take this to the Debate Hall or Proving Grounds or something?

 

[Man of Popsicle]

Judging by the OP I couldn't tell.

 

[-_skinny_-]

He had it pretty much right the first time. Every square is a rectangle, but not every rectangle is a square.

no, every rectangle is a square, but squares r not rectangles, you wld kno that if u listened in geometry class

ADD topic where we speculate about useless stuff like: how the universe began, the education system, and absolutely random crap because the OP said we can go diarrhea fest all over his thread.

this post is for anyone that wants to share theyr thoughts on things they ponder about. anyone with a view af anything that involves thinking for more than at least a minute is welcomed to post it here. this is a place where they can share theyr thoughts in a logical way and get logical feedback from other people that also think for more than a minute
you on the other hand seem to only think for 3 sec
u b trolln this post n i b mad

 

[PK-ow!]

You're quick to accept the one explanation rather than the other, but think about it.

All you've done is shunt the mystery of the necessary "computational power" (the processes and alignment and configuration that worked out to produce life) into vast space rather than vast time.

You're okay with it coming from "somewhere in the universe"; but why not okay with it coming "sometime, in billions of years, right here?"

And my computational power analogy isn't just random. Anything you can compute, there's always a way to get it by using time, or by using space (memory). Generally it's a tradeoff. Both work.

 

[Noobicidal]

no, every rectangle is a square, but squares r not rectangles, you wld kno that if u listened in geometry class

Thanks for the new signature.

 

[Clownbot]

no, every rectangle is a square, but squares r not rectangles, you wld kno that if u listened in geometry class

Yeah, no, that's not right. A rectangle is any quadrilateral with four right angles, so all squares are rectangles. Rectangles aren't all squares because their sides aren't always equal.

 

[Omnicron's Baklava Enterprises]

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Technically it's not a diagonal swastika so it might be the original Swastika symbol.

 

[Spamus43]

You're okay with it coming from "somewhere in the universe"; but why not okay with it coming "sometime, in billions of years, right here?"

Actually, if we only consider the life that evolved here on Earth, we're looking at about a 200 million year window, since the early planet was smack in the middle of an asteroid shooting gallery for a fair portion of its life.

That said, you're absolutely right in that panspermia is no more likely than abiogenesis occurring here. Consider that in the former case:
1. Life still needs to evolve somewhere.
2. This life needs to be able to survive a long journey through space, from wherever it originated until it landed here.
3. After surviving this journey, such life still needs to survive an impact with the Earth.
4. Further still, this life needs to find Earth to be a hospitable environment. Thus, we can assume it evolved somewhere where conditions are similar to Earth's.

This cuts way down on your number of candidate origins-of-life.








And as for the square-rectangle question: everyone's wrong. All squares are triangles, but only some rectangles are circles. God, did no one here pass geometry?

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Seriously I hate it when people use the excuse that they know everything to justify their bad grades. How could you know most of what you were taught year, and I know most of what I was taught this year, but your GPA is 1.2 and mine is above 4. I'm sorry you were depressed but I really don't see it as making up for that large of a gap. And if you're not doing homework, then don't call out the system. That's not the system's fault, that's your fault.

 

[§witch]

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as much as i seem "********" or "slow" im incredibly smart and i love knowledge. im what u call a knowledge seeker, whenever i hear something i question it and think to myself "is this the only viable theory?" and "how did they get to this conclusion" and "is this a viable source"
ok first thing first, something that alot of people want to know is how did life start on this planet? the most common theory is that it started in a soup of primordial sludge where amino acids combined in just the right way that it basically sparked life, but the chances of that are unfathomable, thus i start to question this theory. after searching the interweb i came across another theory called "panspermia" and it states that life started somewhere else in the universe and traveled via comets. somehow this dsnt seem so farfetched because the universe is so immensely large that it is less likely that we are alone in it. anyways, it seems more likely because life mite have started on a different planet that had a more suitable environment.
more info here:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0814093819.htm

so to anyone that wants to share theyr thoughts, just keep it smart, i want people to learn things from this thread

im gunna question ur theory "panspermia", cause i question everyting ok so if life was on dat comet where'd dat life start

had to start frum sumwere LOL primordial ooze on dat other planet

 

[GwJ]

.........what?

 

[§witch]

.........what?

im very intellgnt lol y dun u get it

 

[Fatmanonice]

.........what?

He's making fun of how skinny types. He probably considers it ironic that skinny claims to be intelligent but his typing is somewhat hard to read.

 

[Omnicron's Baklava Enterprises]

Thank you for pointing out the obvious.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Thank you for pointing out the obvious.

It's what I do. If I could, I'd put that on every resume I ever turned in.

Add in: Good lord, it's like someone turned the snarky/sarcastic dial up to 10 on this board for the past two days. Lawdy, everybody's goin' fo blood.

 

[GwJ]

Well hey, I appreciate it, I didn't get the sarcasm because I clicked the link to go to the new post so I didn't see skinny's post.

edit: and I can't be *****ed to read a wall of text in a quote.

 

[-_skinny_-]

Thanks for the new signature.

yourwelcome

Actually, if we only consider the life that evolved here on Earth, we're looking at about a 200 million year window, since the early planet was smack in the middle of an asteroid shooting gallery for a fair portion of its life.

That said, you're absolutely right in that panspermia is no more likely than abiogenesis occurring here. Consider that in the former case:
1. Life still needs to evolve somewhere.
2. This life needs to be able to survive a long journey through space, from wherever it originated until it landed here.
3. After surviving this journey, such life still needs to survive an impact with the Earth.
4. Further still, this life needs to find Earth to be a hospitable environment. Thus, we can assume it evolved somewhere where conditions are similar to Earth's.

This cuts way down on your number of candidate origins-of-life.








And as for the square-rectangle question: everyone's wrong. All squares are triangles, but only some rectangles are circles. God, did no one here pass geometry?

lol u made circles more magical

Seriously I hate it when people use the excuse that they know everything to justify their bad grades. How could you know most of what you were taught year, and I know most of what I was taught this year, but your GPA is 1.2 and mine is above 4. I'm sorry you were depressed but I really don't see it as making up for that large of a gap. And if you're not doing homework, then don't call out the system. That's not the system's fault, that's your fault.

im not blaming the system for my bad grades i just think its corrupt, in fact i started to think this back wen i got straight As in 8th grade lol and i also said i wasnt motivated to learn new thing thus i ddnt do my work. its not the systems fault for my bad grade, its the systems fault for sucking hard

im very intellgnt lol y dun u get it

lol XD u b crayzy

He's making fun of how skinny types. He probably considers it ironic that skinny claims to be intelligent but his typing is somewhat hard to read.

2 mch txtng
it rlly dos make u a bad spllr

 

[Fatmanonice]

Ah, that explains why you don't capitalize or use punctuation. I can read your posts just fine and the only time it bothers me is when people use acroynms and shortened versions of every word they use.

(INB4 sum1 prpsly typs lk ths; lulz)

 

[-_skinny_-]

Ah, that explains why you don't capitalize or use punctuation. I can read your posts just fine and the only time it bothers me is when people use acroynms and shortened versions of every word they use.

(INB4 sum1 prpsly typs lk ths; lulz)

haha i know exactly whut u mean XD
so i had another idea for another topic but i wld gratelly appreciate if someone else had one soo think away i guess lol