educational conversation

[Fatmanonice]

As someone else said, this would probably be a better topic for the debate hall because most people who come to this board just want to mess around. I try not to have too many extended serious discussions on this forum myself because I don't think I've ever been in one that was completely civil and didn't turn into a huge mess. Maybe the Debate Hall is different? I don't know.

 

[-_skinny_-]

yeahhh i kno wut u mean... where is this so called "debate hall"

 

[§witch]

2 mch txtng
it rlly dos make u a bad spllr

No, no it doesn't. I text all the time and I still know how to spell. That's a copout.

 

[-_skinny_-]

No, no it doesn't. I text all the time and I still know how to spell. That's a copout.

its called a habit bro, i can spell goodly if i haf to write a paper or something important, but im not gunna go out of my way to fix capitalization and punctuation on a forum... idk im just weird i guess

 

[§witch]

its called a habit bro, i can spell goodly if i haf to write a paper or something important, but im not gunna go out of my way to fix capitalization and punctuation on a forum... idk im just weird i guess

K, g'night bro.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

yeahhh i kno wut u mean... where is this so called "debate hall"

The debate hall can be found here. You can't actually join the forum board and start posting immediately. You have to join or be a member of the Proving Ground and then need to be accepted by a group of elitist old timers that selectively choose who they want to have a discussion with and exchange opinions over a cup of tea.

 

[-_skinny_-]

K, g'night bro.

lol i did that for lolz
ur goin to bed?

 

[-_skinny_-]

The debate hall can be found here. You can't actually join the forum board and start posting immediately. You have to join or be a member of the Proving Ground and then need to be accepted by a group of elitist old timers that selectively choose who they want to have a discussion with and exchange opinions over a cup of tea.

that sounds fun -.-

 

[Fatmanonice]

that sounds fun -.-

Nobody said it would be. You're basically going to be stuck with a really stale conversation or people trying to bite each other's heads off. What a choice, eh?

 

[§witch]

lol i did that for lolz
ur goin to bed?

I'm sleeping right now, actually.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

I'm sleeping right now, actually.

Your dreams suck. I wanted to live in a pretzel stick house and a swimming pool filled with soda. Instead I have AIDS and smashboards. Worst dream ever. Please wake up so you can put me out of my misery.

- Dream Dude 613

 

[Fatmanonice]

Your dreams suck. I wanted to live in a pretzel stick house and a swimming pool filled with soda. Instead I have AIDS and smashboards. Worst dream ever. Please wake up so you can put me out of my misery.

- Dream Dude 613

So, between the AIDS and smashboards, which is worse?

 

[Jon Farron]

My thoughts are: God made life and made it to live on this planet. So because of this, the planet is not going to die before Jesus comes back for us

 

[GwJ]

That is stupid.

 

[-_skinny_-]

My thoughts are: God made life and made it to live on this planet. So because of this, the planet is not going to die before Jesus comes back for us

i as a nonduche atheist will not flame your beliefs but just point something out. lets just say jesus did live from 34 b.c.e to 0 c.e. even though the first written history of his so called "existence" was dated to as early as 600 c.e, what if he already did come back. what if he came back a long time ago and deemed humanity as worthless and cruel beyond saving and decided to let the race die off on its own? a great example of such time wld be douring hitlers rule, what if jesus came back in 1940 and saw the attemptive genocide of the jewish people and as a jew himself he decided that if man is capable of such hate and destruction that we are not worth saving?

 

[Omnicron's Baklava Enterprises]

That is stupid.

I smirk every time I see some Atheist gettin mad at the mention of God.

 

[GwJ]

Or stupid statements.

 

[Jon Farron]

i as a nonduche atheist will not flame your beliefs but just point something out. lets just say jesus did live from 34 b.c.e to 0 c.e. even though the first written history of his so called "existence" was dated to as early as 600 c.e, what if he already did come back. what if he came back a long time ago and deemed humanity as worthless and cruel beyond saving and decided to let the race die off on its own? a great example of such time wld be douring hitlers rule, what if jesus came back in 1940 and saw the attemptive genocide of the jewish people and as a jew himself he decided that if man is capable of such hate and destruction that we are not worth saving?

God would NEVER do that D: he has everything timed right. He WILL come back for us AND take his people with him, and the Bible says there will be a sounding of trumpets, which only true believers will be able to hear and he is going to take those people with him and leave the rest to live a few years under the antichrist rule ( it think, ill check on that later ) before throwing them in hell.
(Again correct me if im wrong people who really know their Bible)

 

[§witch]

Your dreams suck. I wanted to live in a pretzel stick house and a swimming pool filled with soda. Instead I have AIDS and smashboards. Worst dream ever. Please wake up so you can put me out of my misery.

- Dream Dude 613

A swimming pool filled with soda would be pretty terrible actually. You'd be all sticky and good luck getting that out of your hair.

 

[-_skinny_-]

first of all, the bible is not a viable source of information and that is one reason why theists are ignorant (not stupid) but they seem to believe that it is the truth and refuse to look at any fact that contradicts it. its basically like letting someone else do theyr thinkin for them AKA mind control/brainwashing.

second, hell is just a way to scare people. these so called "sins" are part of human nature and the churchs main goal is to control as many people as possible and what better way to do that than with fear. they say that your basic instincts are wrong and you will be punished for them.
i suggest you and everyone else visit this site -> www.churchofsatan.com
dont be prejudice, its not about believing in satan, just read what it stands for before you start judging it and if u dont follow, then dont, im not gunna push my ideas on you (unlike your church)

third, im the antichrist.
jk im an atheist that follows satanist beliefs, so technically im a "traditional satanist"
satanism is about worshiping yourself not satan. in fact most satanists r atheist, satan is merely an icon not the dark ruler that you must sacrifice a goat to
in fact it is against the satanic belief to kill anything unless it is for self defense or food.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

My thoughts are: God made life and made it to live on this planet. So because of this, the planet is not going to die before Jesus comes back for us

When do you think the Earth was made?

 

[GwJ]

6010 years ago, durrrrrr.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

See when people actually believe that, I get kind of scared.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

God would NEVER do that D: he has everything timed right. He WILL come back for us AND take his people with him, and the Bible says there will be a sounding of trumpets, which only true believers will be able to hear and he is going to take those people with him and leave the rest to live a few years under the antichrist rule ( it think, ill check on that later ) before throwing them in hell.
(Again correct me if im wrong people who really know their Bible)

Assuming that what you are talking about is the rapture, there are reference of it in 1 Corinthians 15:50-52 in the King James Version Bible, "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed- in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

1 Thessalonians 4:15-16 in the King James Version Bible states, "For this we say to you by the way of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first."

The apostle Paul wrote both Thessalonians and Corinthians. Before he was converted, he was against the Christian faith and conspired with the high priest to arrest Christians who were in the vicinity of the synagogues in Damascus. On his journey to Damascus, his sight was taken away and given back to him when he was baptized by Ananias. (Acts Chapter 9)

Thessalonians was a letter of encouragement written by Paul to a small church that was beginning to start up while Corinthians was written to a church that was in turmoil.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

i as a nonduche atheist will not flame your beliefs but just point something out. lets just say jesus did live from 34 b.c.e to 0 c.e. even though the first written history of his so called "existence" was dated to as early as 600 c.e, what if he already did come back. what if he came back a long time ago and deemed humanity as worthless and cruel beyond saving and decided to let the race die off on its own? a great example of such time wld be douring hitlers rule, what if jesus came back in 1940 and saw the attemptive genocide of the jewish people and as a jew himself he decided that if man is capable of such hate and destruction that we are not worth saving?

From a Christian stand-point there are many refutations to your proposed theory. The first refutation is the fact that God is omniscient and already knew how bad the world would become due to sin.

Psalm 139: 4-6 states, "For there is not a word on my tongue, But behold, O Lord, You know it altogether. You have hedged me behind and before, And laid Your hand upon me. Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; It is high, I cannot attain it."

If God already knew that he hated humanity, then the omniscient entity wouldn't have created the world or sacrificed Jesus Christ to die for the sins of humanity. the second refutation is that God sent Jesus Christ so that sinners could be forgiven and go to heaven.

John 3:16-17 states, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved."

Assuming that you are referring to the Second Coming, it is discussed throughout the Bible and has particular concentration in the book of Revelation. Even though the validity of John as a reliable author during his exile on the island of Patmos is widely discussed among Christian theologians and believers themselves, the book is seen as a divine inspiration given to John and thus the first verse can be read, "The Revelation of Jesus Christ."

It is within the Book of Revelation that a third refutation explains that the conclusion of Jesus's Second Coming will result in a utopia where there is no sadness, no death, and no pain. Those who still have committed sins and haven't sought repentance will suffer in the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:4 states, "And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away."

Due to the fact that there is still pain, sorrow, and death it indicates that Christ hasn't already returned, Revelation is a faulty passage, or that the Bible shouldn't be taken on a literal level. Since we are talking about a figure that is assumed to be true based on the text, I also feel that it is appropriate to deny your suggestions according to the text.

 

[GwJ]

"God planned how X would turn out and is therefore an act of god. God exists."

 

[-_skinny_-]

*sigh*
i wish theists wld quote something other than the bible for evidence of theyr master... oh wait, they cant...

Due to the fact that there is still pain, sorrow, and death it indicates that Christ hasn't already returned

what if your wrong?
im sick of theists using theyr master as a solution to all of lifes problems. quit being lazy and do something about it. try to help the world yourself instead of saying that your cult will solve everyones troubles. the world dsnt work like that...

 

[GwJ]

Lack of evidence from the theistic side is just making this argument stupid.

Lock please?

 

[-_skinny_-]

Lack of evidence from the theistic side is just making this argument stupid.

Lock please?

nah just change the subject, got any ideas?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

first of all, the bible is not a viable source of information and that is one reason why theists are ignorant (not stupid) but they seem to believe that it is the truth and refuse to look at any fact that contradicts it. its basically like letting someone else do theyr thinkin for them AKA mind control/brainwashing.

If you haven't read the Bible in its entirety, then you have no idea of knowing whether or not it contains valuable information. Clumping together theists is also an ignorant move because religions vary greatly in scope and individuals take away different aspects from the faith. Most people aren't theists because they want to know God. Most of them do it to raise their kids in a good environment and to socialize with nice people. Technical people like me who actually enjoy reading and referencing religious text, actually tend to be a minority among most theist communities. It is easy to state that you hate the Bible for not being true without bothering to state (a) what is untrue and (b) what you believe is truth.

There is a strong tendency to smear religion and reference science without going into any details: Miller-Urey, Iron-sulfide, Primordial Soup, Big-Bang, and RNA-DNA World Theory. It is not fair to call theists stupid as atheists can be just as stupid as their religious counterparts. I have had the benefit of receiving an extensive education which has exposed me to how ignorant I am of the world in its entirety. I do not believe that anyone who uses the term "stupid" as an insult has really grasped how meaningless it is to be viewed as an intellectual.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Lack of evidence from the theistic side is just making this argument stupid.

Lock please?

I'm not making an argument and I'm not a theist. I was adding reference to the other comments that raised speculation on a religion and didn't follow through on the cannon established in the text.

Asking for a lock because you don't want to contribute to this thread or can't stand the comments is just an act of self-interest. Compounded with the fact that this statement is being issued when you haven't really bothered to write a full response to any of the comments provided shows that you're just being an asshole.

 

[Omnicron's Baklava Enterprises]

Very "educational" debate in here, guys.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Very "educational" debate in here, guys.

TS is too intelligent for us.

 

[Omnicron's Baklava Enterprises]

TS?

Who?

 

[-_skinny_-]

If you haven't read the Bible in its entirety, then you have no idea of knowing whether or not it contains valuable information. Clumping together theists is also an ignorant move because religions vary greatly in scope and individuals take away different aspects from the faith. Most people aren't theists because they want to know God. Most of them do it to raise their kids in a good environment and to socialize with nice people. Technical people like me who actually enjoy reading and referencing religious text, actually tend to be a minority among most theist communities. It is easy to state that you hate the Bible for not being true without bothering to state (a) what is untrue and (b) what you believe is truth.

There is a strong tendency to smear religion and reference science without going into any details: Miller-Urey, Iron-sulfide, Primordial Soup, Big-Bang, and RNA-DNA World Theory. It is not fair to call theists stupid as atheists can be just as stupid as their religious counterparts. I have had the benefit of receiving an extensive education which has exposed me to how ignorant I am of the world in its entirety. I do not believe that anyone who uses the term "stupid" as an insult has really grasped how meaningless it is to be viewed as an intellectual.

what i dont even...
dude i never said anything ur defending lol
i read the bible, i was raised catholic (never been ***** so dont ask lol) but at a very young age of 5 i realized it is all bullcrap being shoved down our throats at a young age so we dont have the chance to think for ourselves. i specifically stated that theists are IGNORANT not stupid. the second part u start sayin something but it makes no sense. i know religions are different but they all involve a master telling his slaves what is right and what is wrong.
and when you said "Most of them do it to raise their kids in a good environment and to socialize with nice people" you are stating that atheist dont raise theyr kids in a good environment or socialize with good people... atheists dont let the bias of religion get in the way of theyr logic so in many ways we are nicer and have "better" morals than most theists that take theys scriptures too literally. by better i mean we make less stupid mostly unbiased judgments of our actions. we dont need a book telling ur that murder and **** is wrong. anything done that hurts the innocent is wrong. anyways i clearly said get off the subject, but whatev idc anymore

 

[GwJ]

If you haven't read the Bible in its entirety, then you have no idea of knowing whether or not it contains valuable information. Clumping together theists is also an ignorant move because religions vary greatly in scope and individuals take away different aspects from the faith. Most people aren't theists because they want to know God. Most of them do it to raise their kids in a good environment and to socialize with nice people. Technical people like me who actually enjoy reading and referencing religious text, actually tend to be a minority among most theist communities. It is easy to state that you hate the Bible for not being true without bothering to state (a) what is untrue and (b) what you believe is truth.

There is a strong tendency to smear religion and reference science without going into any details: Miller-Urey, Iron-sulfide, Primordial Soup, Big-Bang, and RNA-DNA World Theory. It is not fair to call theists stupid as atheists can be just as stupid as their religious counterparts. I have had the benefit of receiving an extensive education which has exposed me to how ignorant I am of the world in its entirety. I do not believe that anyone who uses the term "stupid" as an insult has really grasped how meaningless it is to be viewed as an intellectual.

So to a lot of people, scaring kids into acting good is how people educate the youth on morals? How lazy of them...

 

[Clownbot]

and when you said "Most of them do it to raise their kids in a good environment and to socialize with nice people" you are stating that atheist dont raise theyr kids in a good environment or socialize with good people

No he isn't. -_-

It's also pretty uninformed to call all theists ignorant. You seem hung up on not calling them stupid but what you're doing now isn't really that much better.

 

[-_skinny_-]

No he isn't. -_-

It's also pretty uninformed to call all theists ignorant. You seem hung up on not calling them stupid but what you're doing now isn't really that much better.

i mean its ignorant that if they hear something that contradicts theyr belief they shun it. i in my life never met someone that accepted an idea and it ddnt affect theyr logic in any way.

 

[Clownbot]

Yeah, well, not all theists do that.

 

[GwJ]

Well if they're not, they're theisming wring and should expect to go to hell.