educational conversation

[-_skinny_-]

Yeah, well, not all theists do that.

eh, im not perfect either i make assumptions too, i speak thru experience

 

[El Nino]

UB doesn't do well with religious topics. But I guess that just puts us on par with the rest of the Internetz.

The problem I see with religious threads is that the debate is too common, and there isn't much new ground to cover. Because we've all seen this before, there are a lot of assumptions made, and people tend to address each other as generalizations of some pre-existing "opposing side" rather than as individuals. And then we all just end up talking at each other rather than to each other.

 

[GwJ]

Like I said, close this.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

what i dont even...
dude i never said anything ur defending lol

1. If you haven't read the Bible in its entirety, then you have no idea of knowing whether or not it contains valuable information - You should read something before you criticize it or claim it is not a viable article.
2. Clumping together theists is also an ignorant move because religions vary greatly in scope and individuals take away different aspects from the faith. - Clumping together people is bad.

1. the bible is not a viable source of information and that is one reason why theists are ignorant (not stupid) - Bible is a book of ignorance.
2. [Theists] seem to believe that it is the truth and refuse to look at any fact that contradicts it. - Theists are irrational and have closed minds.

i read the bible, i was raised catholic (never been ***** so dont ask lol) but at a very young age of 5 i realized it is all bullcrap being shoved down our throats at a young age so we dont have the chance to think for ourselves.

I don't care. As stated previously you are not bothering to state (a) what is untrue and (b) what you believe is truth. You are just exclusively relying on a personal anecdotes in order to prove a point.

i specifically stated that theists are IGNORANT not stupid.

Point taken. If you replace every time the word I used "stupid" with the word "ignorant" then you would get the post I wanted to write. I made a stupid mistakes over semantics and this disproves my whole post.

the second part u start sayin something but it makes no sense. i know religions are different but they all involve a master telling his slaves what is right and what is wrong.

Yeah, um, no. Refer back to point 2.

... when you said "Most of them do it to raise their kids in a good environment and to socialize with nice people" you are stating that atheist dont raise theyr kids in a good environment or socialize with good people... atheists dont let the bias of religion get in the way of theyr logic so in many ways we are nicer and have "better" morals than most theists that take theys scriptures too literally. by better i mean we make less stupid mostly unbiased judgments of our actions. we dont need a book telling ur that murder and **** is wrong. anything done that hurts the innocent is wrong. anyways i clearly said get off the subject, but whatev idc anymore

No you don't seem to understand anything I've written. theists dont let the bias of religion get in the way of theyr logic so in many ways we are nicer and have "better" morals than most atheists that attack the scripture as if it was literal. by better i mean we make less stupid mostly good judgments based on the principle of our actions. we dont need atheists telling ur that murder and **** is wrong. anything done that hurts the innocent is wrong. anyways i clearly have a closed mind and want other people to get off the subject when I can't stop because I have diarrhea, but whatev idc anymore

 

[Fatmanonice]

UB doesn't do well with religious topics. But I guess that just puts us on par with the rest of the Internetz.

The problem I see with religious threads is that the debate is too common, and there isn't much new ground to cover. Because we've all seen this before, there are a lot of assumptions made, and people tend to address each other as generalizations of some pre-existing "opposing side" rather than as individuals. And then we all just end up talking at each other rather than to each other.

Among other things why religious debates usually go no-where:

1. Most people split the world into atheists and theists when there are actually four categories of theological thought: gnostic-theist, gnostic-atheist, agnostic-theist, and agnostic-atheist. Gnostic-theists believe that there is definitely a god. Gnostic-atheists believe that a god definitely doesn't exist. Agnostic-theists are not sure if there is a god or not but they give the idea the benefit of the doubt. Agnostic-atheist generally don't care about the issue (usually categorized as "non-religious") or live in countries where organized religion is illegal. Gnostic theists make up about 85% of the world (Christians being about 1/3), Gnostic atheists make up a little less than 1%, Agnostic theists make up somewhere between .2-.5% and Agnostic-atheists make up about 14-16%. I believe this is one of the key things to know before even considering getting into a theological debate.

2. There's the misconception that atheists are completely immune to believing anything unproven, sketchy, or "stupid" simply because they are atheist. I've seen this trend a lot especially on youtube.

3. The goofy belief of many people have that you can force someone to believe something or no longer believe something just by making a reasonable arguement for one of the sides or telling the other side how ignorant/stupid they are. It also seems to be the belief by a lot of people that somehow beating people in a debate will make their beliefs "go away" or it will start a trend of people dropping their previous beliefs. (IE: if we beat enough Christians in debates, Christianity will eventually go away or, my favorite, if we win enough debates atheism/religion will go away.)

4. Most religious debates usually boil down to Christians vs gnostic-atheists because they are generally the people who bother carrying it on.

5. As you and Acrostic pointed out, a ton of generalizations are made about both sides and both sides are usually only familar with material that supports their side and usually then the materials and quotes are used to ad naseum (IE: the Bible and Richard Dawkin's "The God Delusion")

6. The belief that the opposing side can't be right about ANYTHING simply because of their relgious standing or that any side aside from your own can't have any good points or anything valuable to take away from it.

tl;dr- Religious debates are why we can't have nice things.

 

[-_skinny_-]

hahaha dude i lold so much! ok i think we really shld get off the topic and the only way to do that is to find some common ground.
everybody knows it, were all going to die EVERYONE
so make the best of your time while you can wether its arguing over stupid **** or its making peace with one another
go forth and live
go forth and DIE!!

 

[GwJ]

lack of evidence from the theistic side is just making this argument stupid.

Lock please?

like i said, close this.

ahhh-heeeeeem

 

[-_skinny_-]

ahhh-heeeeeem

im pondering over it lol the only reason for closing it wld be cuz of the religious "debate"
even i dont approve of this thread with this bullcrap going on, all religious debates are stupid and get people nowere, i try to avoid them at all times but if im in one i mainly just try to defend myself and my views in them

 

[-_skinny_-]

OKAY change in subject, heres a bit of a controversial topic, the legality of cannabis... im not totally sure if im allowed to bring the subject up because it is a "drug" but if its allowed then i believe alot of people have different views on it so diarrhea away i guess

 

[§witch]

No you don't seem to understand anything I've written. theists dont let the bias of religion get in the way of theyr logic so in many ways we are nicer and have "better" morals than most atheists that attack the scripture as if it was literal. by better i mean we make less stupid mostly good judgments based on the principle of our actions. we dont need atheists telling ur that murder and **** is wrong. anything done that hurts the innocent is wrong. anyways i clearly have a closed mind and want other people to get off the subject when I can't stop because I have diarrhea, but whatev idc anymore

te ehee

 

[-_skinny_-]

te ehee

really dude? really?

 

[Cease Tick]

Acrostic, you are now the coolest 2010er.

 

[-_skinny_-]

Acrostic, you are now the coolest 2010er.

being cool is just a lie that has been told to you by society, there is no such thing as cool, it is just a false power given by society cuz our so called "society" is in fact nothing but power, like the monetary system, if ur rich ur more powerful than others, i believe the perfect society has no way of showing power, everybody is equal in social dominance, no one has more right than others, it is not supposed to be about who is the supreme holder of the human race but about peace and prosperity, i believe the human race has veered off the course, we now act as a parasite to the earth and use it to our advantage, thats not right. we shldnt be any better than other animals but be equal to them, we went and put ourselves on the throne, i wish we could go back to the time were we were small societies and still had traditional rights and roles like our ancestors but with the knowledge we have today. i heard the statement, dog is a mans best friend, but that means nothing anymore, back in the day were man went out and hunted for his own food instead of buying it from some store. a dog being mans best friend was when the dog helped the man hunt, when it used its skills to track down pray and help the man conquer such pray and we would reward the dog with praise and food, if there is no hunting going on than the dog is just wasted talent. cats are the women best friend cuz they are territorial and the women of our early society were the ones that kept our grounds. they protected our place and our health. we can learn so much by studying and practicing the roles of such animals and become a better species, the human race has its mind set to being the best, the most powerful, but we are just ruining it for other species. were making the world a worse place with our excessive use of fossil fuels and our stupid reason of conquering land for ourselves. we are not the only species on earth, its time we stop acting like it. our so called advanced knowledge has brought nothing but torture to our planet. earth is supposed to be a peaceful place were things always balance out (due to carrying capacity) there is no real top of the food chain we just used our superior knowledge to our advantage and ****** the world over and became the dominant species. there should be no dominance, just equality... i know my logic will not be accepted by most people but it isnt supposed to be this way...

edit: i ramble what i believe when im drunk

 

[§witch]

Derp, you're drunk, whatever, I'm going to de-construct this anyways because I feel like being an *******.

being cool is just a lie that has been told to you by society, there is no such thing as cool, it is just a false power given by society cuz our so called "society" is in fact nothing but power

I know in your infinite wisdom, you can see much more than average mortal, but you have sadly forgotten to account for this. The simple fact that the grand majority of people will act differently towards a cool person or whatever means that it exists and holds weight.

Just because you deem it invalid doesn't make it so.

like the monetary system, if ur rich ur more powerful than others

And just like being cool, the monetary system exists. The more cool you are you cooler you are!

i believe the perfect society has no way of showing power, everybody is equal in social dominance, no one has more right than others

This is known as "communism"; a great idea on paper, but when put into practice, shows its true weaknesses. The thought of everyone being equal doesn't work, because we aren't equal. People are smarter than others, people have better people skills than others, people are more physically fit than others, people are better leaders than others. Putting a hard-working, intelligent person in the same category as a lazy bum is ignorant and a ridiculous notion.

it is not supposed to be about who is the supreme holder of the human race but about peace and prosperity, i believe the human race has veered off the course, we now act as a parasite to the earth and use it to our advantage, thats not right.

Who's to determine what's the purpose of what? I don't think that the human race was placed with any purpose, since I believe in evolution, so all that we're left with is how you think the world should be run: sunshine, food and blowjobs for everyone. But it's not that simple. This isn't a matter of a few powerful people hoarding everything for themselves; most people are selfish.

we shldnt be any better than other animals but be equal to them, we went and put ourselves on the throne, i wish we could go back to the time were we were small societies and still had traditional rights and roles like our ancestors but with the knowledge we have today.

We are better though. We're more intelligent and are able to think quickly and adapt. If worms were my equal I'd be having dinner with them, not catching my dinner with them. I wish guns were never invented and everyone still fought with swords and axes.

i heard the statement, dog is a mans best friend, but that means nothing anymore, back in the day were man went out and hunted for his own food instead of buying it from some store. a dog being mans best friend was when the dog helped the man hunt, when it used its skills to track down pray and help the man conquer such pray and we would reward the dog with praise and food, if there is no hunting going on than the dog is just wasted talent.

People buy dogs mostly as companions now, yes. But then again, most dogs aren't hunting dogs. Plenty of dogs are still used for constructive purposes, I'm really not sure where you were going with this...

cats are the women best friend cuz they are territorial and the women of our early society were the ones that kept our grounds. they protected our place and our health. we can learn so much by studying and practicing the roles of such animals and become a better species, the human race has its mind set to being the best, the most powerful, but we are just ruining it for other species.

The ****? Right, alert the scientists, what we've been doing wrong all this time is not doing what cats do. Well **** me, all of the world's problems are on the brink of being solved.

were making the world a worse place with our excessive use of fossil fuels and our stupid reason of conquering land for ourselves. we are not the only species on earth, its time we stop acting like it. our so called advanced knowledge has brought nothing but torture to our planet.

To be fair, we didn't know the bad effects of fossil fuel use when it was first introduced. It was a fantastic break-through and by the time we realized the bad parts about it, we were seriously reliant on it. Things are improving slowly, but green power is far too sporadic and cost-ineffective to be utilized at the moment.

earth is supposed to be a peaceful place were things always balance out (due to carrying capacity) there is no real top of the food chain we just used our superior knowledge to our advantage and ****** the world over and became the dominant species. there should be no dominance, just equality... i know my logic will not be accepted by most people but it isnt supposed to be this way...

What is this "supposed to" nonsense you keep spouting? The earth did not come with a rulebook or an instruction manual. And unless you found it on some diving expedition to atlantis, you have no further knowledge on the matter than anyone else. The earth isn't peaceful; massive earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, ice ages happen with startling frequency. Life is wiped out all of the time.

No top of the food chain? Of ****ing course there is. Us. We got to the top because we use tools and are the most intelligent. That's not "cheating", that's how it should be. I'm not going to stand to the side and let ants pass me because I feel bad for them. **** that noise.

What "logic" this is **** that's said by every environmentalist and PETA member. This isn't anything novel or creative.

WELL THIS WAS FUN

 

[GwJ]

Lol at him suggesting Communism.

 

[-_skinny_-]

**** communism, all im sayin is that humans are the only animal that trys to control everything, im not sayin u shld be equal to worms and ants, but even with our superior tools and knowledge we shldnt let it go to our head and conquer everything. i mean, we shld hav our own place on earth but i just dont think its right to ruin other species' place on this planet either. the cat n dog thing is just an exaple of how we can learn from animals, and not just animals, but our own mistakes. idk its hard to explain what i think at times, sorry for the confusion lol

 

[§witch]

It wasn't an example because you didn't explain it. All you said was "we can learn from cats." Not what we can learn, just that we could.

 

[-_skinny_-]

It wasn't an example because you didn't explain it. All you said was "we can learn from cats." Not what we can learn, just that we could.

ok ill elaborate. we as a species have social order like ever other species and that is called a "niche". with cats and most other felines the niche of the female is to take care of the young (like every other mammal) and female felines are extremelly territorial (like lionesses) and humans take care of theyr health and like most other mammals, the females do that too. males on the other hand are usually the ones that go forth and hunt for food and protect theyr flock/community (like dogs) they usually hunt in packs (wolves) and keep together to eliminate some risk of danger. its never a good idea to hunt on your own and that is why. if i am not explaining myself fully, please tel me and ill do my best to rty to in another post, sorry in advance lol

 

[highfive]

Communism is actually the ideal government type. However, due to distortions of Karl Marx's original theory we get anomalies such as Hitler's dictatorship.

 

[-_skinny_-]

Communism is actually the ideal government type. However, due to distortions of Karl Marx's original theory we get anomalies such as Hitler's dictatorship.

thats true, communism isnt that bad, i just dont like the fact that there is ONE idea of government

 

[§witch]

Communism is actually the ideal government type. However, due to distortions of Karl Marx's original theory we get anomalies such as Hitler's dictatorship.

Uh, you can't say communism is the ideal form of government. Because that's an opinion.

We've only seen communism not work as planned because it's unreasonable to believe that a doctor should be earning the same as someone working at McDonalds or to be considered of the same worth. Not to mention corruption, but that's not really important.

 

[-_skinny_-]

Uh, you can't say communism is the ideal form of government. Because that's an opinion.

We've only seen communism not work as planned because it's unreasonable to believe that a doctor should be earning the same as someone working at McDonalds or to be considered of the same worth. Not to mention corruption, but that's not really important.

please elaborate on this "corruption" you speak of cuz every single form of government is corrupt in some way

edit: just to clear some confusion i meant "single form" not "every single"

 

[§witch]

please elaborate on this "corruption" you speak of cuz every single form of government is corrupt in some way

edit: just to clear some confusion i meant "single form" not "every single"

Derp. That's why it isn't important.

 

[-_skinny_-]

Derp. That's why it isn't important.

haha lol i self pwnd

 

[highfive]

Uh, you can't say communism is the ideal form of government. Because that's an opinion.

We've only seen communism not work as planned because it's unreasonable to believe that a doctor should be earning the same as someone working at McDonalds or to be considered of the same worth. Not to mention corruption, but that's not really important.

It has been generally agreed up on being perfect since all citizens have equal say in government, equal wages and same social positions. A utopia. Some of the great minds of sociology such as Emile Durkiem (last name probably spelled wrong) understood this.

Democracy is far from perfect.