East Midlands Social Thread

[Anaky]

Lol yeah tomas u did, i didnt expect good air combos from a diddy, u did very well vs my link that match preventing me from touching the floor. But that ganon match was good 2, full of suicide's n shiz lol.

And about brawl+, its not a case of getting brawl+, its a case of installing the homebrew channel, then all u have to do is download the file and app.

 

[OldGeezer666]

god i hate yoshi's tail...

 

[Willz]

Yay.
I don't know if Almas can make it or not. But Kyle if he doesn't come, I'll do it for you. I just need to know which firmware your Wii has. I've just done it for my Wii version 4. I don't know much about the other versions. Trios done his on Firmware 3.3. So ask him for help if it's that.

 

[K.Mac]

I'll report back tomorrow when I set my Wii back up from being at my cousin's place and I'll find out.

I haven't updated it for months though so it's likely very old (and easily hacked.) I only recently got a message about a system update that I think dated back to March. O_o


@ calzum: I <3 yoshi's Dtilt on Melee.

 

[auroreon]

My Wii is totally hacked... I often try Brawl+.
I could quite easily bring Brawl+ with me, but heres the thing... I won't.
Because personally I hate Brawl+. I hate it because its almost everything I ever wanted from Brawl, balance. I used to dream of being able to balance the game ourselves using hacks and now its a reality.
But instead of realising the dream, what do people decide to do!? PUT ****ING HITSTUN BACK IN!!!
GOD ****ING ****IT! LEAVE ****ING HITSTUN OUT YOU STUPID ****ING MELEETARDS!!!!
Finally we are given the ability to make a balanced smash game, finally I can actually compete with Yoshi at high level play, something I have waited for since forever and instead the WORST thing about Melee is brought back.
No offence to the WBR and other contributers and players of Brawl+, but **** YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/rant

... Sorry Almas =(

Oh btw, if anybody wants me to set up their Wii for homebrew I would be perfectly happy to do so.

 

[Nishin]

Lol yeah tomas u did, i didnt expect good air combos from a diddy, u did very well vs my link that match preventing me from touching the floor. But that ganon match was good 2, full of suicide's n shiz lol.

I liked your sportsmanship in the second Ganon match.
I SDed with Fox's >B and he just followed me down to equalize it.

Diagnosis: "UBER LOL"

 

[Retroking2000]

hitstun is win aura :D

 

[Anaky]

Lol yeah l always do that, and it shows ur character as fox tomas? Go for diddy, as he has a higher potential and plus, you did well vs my link that first match with him.

 

[Nishin]

Lol yeah l always do that, and it shows ur character as fox tomas? Go for diddy, as he has a higher potential and plus, you did well vs my link that first match with him.

Good idea - but Imma still keepin' mah other characters.

*wants blue alt costume in icon*

 

[Willz]

Auroreon how do you get texture hacks and music hacks on a PAL Wii? I need help lol.

 

[oOJaseOo]

Hit stun sucks that is all.....

 

[Yeniths]

Hit Stun is sex, really is.

 

[Tamoo]

64 hitstun is where its at

 

[Nishin]

Hit Stun is sex, really is.

I'll have to agree there.

Think where we'd be at without hitstun!!

 

[Almas]

My Wii is totally hacked... I often try Brawl+.
I could quite easily bring Brawl+ with me, but heres the thing... I won't.
Because personally I hate Brawl+. I hate it because its almost everything I ever wanted from Brawl, balance. I used to dream of being able to balance the game ourselves using hacks and now its a reality.
But instead of realising the dream, what do people decide to do!? PUT ****ING HITSTUN BACK IN!!!
GOD ****ING ****IT! LEAVE ****ING HITSTUN OUT YOU STUPID ****ING MELEETARDS!!!!
Finally we are given the ability to make a balanced smash game, finally I can actually compete with Yoshi at high level play, something I have waited for since forever and instead the WORST thing about Melee is brought back.
No offence to the WBR and other contributers and players of Brawl+, but **** YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/rant

... Sorry Almas =(

Oh btw, if anybody wants me to set up their Wii for homebrew I would be perfectly happy to do so.

I lol'd.

I really do want to come to this thing... But the 13th is like during my exams. While I'm confident, and all, there's a line. I guess I may come if my crew goes, because then travelling is much less of a hassle.

 

[OldGeezer666]

64 hitstun is where its at

I Lol'd....

I'll have to agree there.

Think where we'd be at without hitstun!!

we'd be playing brawl =]

 

[auroreon]

Auroreon how do you get texture hacks and music hacks on a PAL Wii? I need help lol.

I can run you through it if you add me on MSN, or I can set it up for you at the upcoming fest. Do you already have Homebrew Channel on your Wii, and what firmware version is it (3.2, 3.3, 4.0)?

Hitstun is no fun... you aren't really outskilling the opponant when you hit them and there is nothing they could have possibly done to avoid it. I'm not a noob, I know why everyone loves hitstun, I just don't agree that it makes the game more 'skill based'.
Oh and if I'm not mistaken, Yoshi is STILL unable to jump out of his shield in B+... so erm... wtf?
Glad to see that egg roll no longer puts him in special roll, I've SD'd with that thing far to many times >.<, and btw now that egg roll doesn't cause special fall, Yoshi has the equivilant of G&Ws Bucket Brake. This is because egg roll is one of the only moves to stop all momentum, but before special fall made it worthless.
Be prepared for Yoshi to survive upwards of 200% lol.

 

[Bullet Bill]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - meleetards- made my day

 

[auroreon]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - meleetards- made my day

Glad to have been of service =)

 

[Jolteon]

Yo back from teh expo.
Me n Kira ***** today lol.
2-1 to him in final matches were so close. Might pick up MK that ditto was too good 2nd round lol. MK is teh ****.

Yeah and nice meeting you TC you ***** me so bad yesterday I was crying lol.

lolol I didn't know Kira went on Sunday, I thought you meant Sat for a bit so I was like wut.

I was discussing with my parents earlier and it will either be the 13th or 20th. Should have it confirmed by the end of this week for sure.

MK is hella fun to play though. I'm dropping Wario though he's BORING AS HELL. Might just use Wolf & MK for tournaments. My Falco is decent but I play this game for fun and I'd rather have fun playing against people with characters I like to play with and not resort to cheap and boring chaingrabs to win matches with Falco & D3.

Melee is where the serious business is at, Brawl is where the fun business is at for me. =]

He's too fun to play tbh.

Ganon is the worst character in Brawl. C Falcon ***** Ganon. Ganon is so bad.
Losing a match to Ganon in Brawl is shameful. =D

As for Yoshi. In SSB64 Sakurai made Yoshi a good character and the funnest character to play as. But then he soon realised that Yoshi is so fun to play in comparison to the other characters in the game that it would put people off of choosing other characters and that would be bad for character diversity. So in Melee and Brawl he made sure to keep Yoshi as a sub-par character that feels different to make sure that people don't just always choose Yoshi cos he is so fun to play.

In somewhat related news Yoshi is probably going to stay where he is or drop next tier list... Oh the injustice.

Ganon is... the best character in Brawl.

 

[K.Mac]

I can run you through it if you add me on MSN, or I can set it up for you at the upcoming fest. Do you already have Homebrew Channel on your Wii, and what firmware version is it (3.2, 3.3, 4.0)?

Hitstun is no fun... you aren't really outskilling the opponant when you hit them and there is nothing they could have possibly done to avoid it. I'm not a noob, I know why everyone loves hitstun, I just don't agree that it makes the game more 'skill based'.
Oh and if I'm not mistaken, Yoshi is STILL unable to jump out of his shield in B+... so erm... wtf?
Glad to see that egg roll no longer puts him in special roll, I've SD'd with that thing far to many times >.<, and btw now that egg roll doesn't cause special fall, Yoshi has the equivilant of G&Ws Bucket Brake. This is because egg roll is one of the only moves to stop all momentum, but before special fall made it worthless.
Be prepared for Yoshi to survive upwards of 200% lol.

I did beg Almas last ranbat to make Yoshi better.

Personally though, I have to disagree with you on the comment about hitstun - I love hitstun. Hitstun = combos. Combos = win.

That's the thing that bugged me in Brawl - that characters like Yoshi have very little combo potential whereas characters like MK can just string together their much faster moves.. having so little hitstun makes it easier to combo-break, and makes it easier for lesser-skilled players (such as myself) to brute-force their way out of problems.

But on the other hand, knowing that if you get hit you're likely to end up with 110% and/or a stock lost is more of an inscentive to try avoid getting hit in the first place.

Yes, you can tell I'm as much a fan of Melee as of Brawl (I don't deny it - Melee is the better game, but I'm just better at Brawl atm. lol)


I've still to check what firmware I've got though on my Wii - just got up and need to do stuff first before I get round to that. How do I get the homebrew channel anyway? I don't have the Internet channel or any Wii points.

 

[auroreon]

I did beg Almas last ranbat to make Yoshi better.

Personally though, I have to disagree with you on the comment about hitstun - I love hitstun. Hitstun = combos. Combos = win.

That's the thing that bugged me in Brawl - that characters like Yoshi have very little combo potential whereas characters like MK can just string together their much faster moves.. having so little hitstun makes it easier to combo-break, and makes it easier for lesser-skilled players (such as myself) to brute-force their way out of problems.

But on the other hand, knowing that if you get hit you're likely to end up with 110% and/or a stock lost is more of an inscentive to try avoid getting hit in the first place.

Yes, you can tell I'm as much a fan of Melee as of Brawl (I don't deny it - Melee is the better game, but I'm just better at Brawl atm. lol)


I've still to check what firmware I've got though on my Wii - just got up and need to do stuff first before I get round to that. How do I get the homebrew channel anyway? I don't have the Internet channel or any Wii points.

IIRC Yoshi has more true combos in Brawl than MK. Brawl isn't really about comboing though...

How you get Homebrew channel depends on what firmware you are using, if its bellow version 4.0 then you just use the Twilight Hack. You need a copy of Twilight Princess to do it though, but I can bring mine to the next fest if you need. If your on 4.0 then you need to use BannerBomb.
If you need any help just message me on MSN.

 

[K.Mac]

I guess I just like my combos then.

I know Brawl isn't about combos, which is probably why I'm better at it than at Melee. xD but I still think Melee is the more fun game for some reason. =/

And..... I'm 100% certain that I have firmware 3.x or something. I have Twilight Princess somewhere as well but it's my brothers' so I might not be able to get it. I'll check in a few minutes or something anyway... I'm trying to remember to give Trio a lagmatch x_X xD

 

[Willz]

I got Texture Hackz people! For anyone that cares.
Thanks Aura. =]

 

[Aiko]

kmac is too smart

 

[K.Mac]

Yep, I'm too pro.

Anyways.

I have Wii firmware 3.3E. (lol, it's so old.) I also have Twilight Princess, so if anybody wants to help me get the homebrew channel and the required files for Brawl+, then you can add me to MSN.

I WANT BRAWL+

 

[Aiko]

almas says there will be away of playing brawl+ and codes without homebrew channel soon.

 

[Nishin]

Are all these hacks completely necessary?

I mean, competitively, we're only ever going to play genuine Brawl or Melee.

 

[K.Mac]

It's just for ****s & giggles, thomash.

 

[OldGeezer666]

I have Wii firmware 3.3E

Ha version 3.2 pwned

 

[auroreon]

Are all these hacks completely necessary?

I mean, competitively, we're only ever going to play genuine Brawl or Melee.

It's just for ****s & giggles, thomash.

Unfortuantly its unlikely that modified Brawl will ever be tournament standard because for some reason there are people out there who haven't hacked their Wii...
Would be pretty cool if a method of booting games with codes enabled without needing to change anything in the software... but thats unlikely but if that were ever the case then that removes the only valid reason why a modified version of the game wouldn't be used as a tournament standard.
The standard game is unbalanced and flawed. We can make it better. Its as simple as that.

 

[K.Mac]

Speaking of, Aurorean, how come you left MSN?

I found my copy of Twilight Princess x_x

 

[Anaky]

I really doubt there will be a way of playing Brawl+ without HBC, but if it happens i'll be shocked. Every single app runs from the HBC does it not, ive had no experiance with banner bomb but i know its only an alternate way of using the twilight hack.

 

[Nishin]

Unfortuantly its unlikely that modified Brawl will ever be tournament standard because for some reason there are people out there who haven't hacked their Wii...
Would be pretty cool if a method of booting games with codes enabled without needing to change anything in the software... but thats unlikely but if that were ever the case then that removes the only valid reason why a modified version of the game wouldn't be used as a tournament standard.
The standard game is unbalanced and flawed. We can make it better. Its as simple as that.

But, surely, the standard game "separates the boys from the men."
If you can work around those unbalances and flaws, you've gotta be a great player.

If we're treating this as a matter of opinion; that's mine.

 

[K.Mac]

But, surely, the standard game "separates the boys from the men."
If you can work around those unbalances and flaws, you've gotta be a great player.

If we're treating this as a matter of opinion; that's mine.

As much as I hate to say it, Brawl -is- much more unbalanced than Melee; the likes of MK and Snake are far better than the likes of Fox, Shiek, Luigi, etc.

You may say that it's just the case of those characters having not unlocked their potential yet, but let's put it like this: I've been using Yoshi for 8-9 years (and my Yoshi isn't exactly easy to beat) but within about five days, my MK has already matched how good my Yoshi is, and will probably improve beyond.

Is that balanced? No, because Metaknight is better than Yoshi will (unfortunately ) ever be.

Which brings us to the whole point of Brawl+ and the idea of balancing the tier lists to bring a more balanced gameplay. You may ask why Nintendo didn't balance the tier list before - the simple answer is that they weren't aware of the potential of each character when in the use of very dedicated (and sometimes plain bored) gaming professionals. Obviously Nintendo intended the tier list to be balanced on Brawl but evidently they didn't realise that people would discover tricks and glitches that weren't intended, such as Yoshi's chaingrab and MK's infinite cape glitch.

Whilst that's my opinion, your opinion is equally valid and I have to respect that, but I've tried to see the Brawl character list as a balanced, single tier and unfortunately it's not the case.

that's all I can say :/

 

[Tamoo]

As much as I hate to say it, Brawl -is- much more unbalanced than Melee; the likes of MK and Snake are far better than the likes of Fox, Shiek, Luigi, etc.

umm what lol? as much as i agree with ur argument, luigi? comparing luigi to the likes of fox and shiek is like comparing luigi with metaknight

Ill give u the benefit of the doubt that its a typo or sumthing

 

[Almas]

Are all these hacks completely necessary?

I mean, competitively, we're only ever going to play genuine Brawl or Melee.

Apex: Smash tournament with a Brawl+ tournament as part of it. 33 Entrants.

Beyond the Limit: Brawl+ only tournament with 40 entrants. Winner received $296. Grand Finals were Captain Falcon dittos.

"Top" Brawl and Melee players such as Ninjalink, ChuDat, Bum, Wes, JCeasar, Boss and The Cape are already keen players of the game.

More and more Brawl+ tournaments are being planned and run - just look at the Tournament Listings board.

Call it many things but destined to never be played seriously Brawl+ is not.

Aiko is correct, but discussion on this matter is somewhat shaky regarding the rules of this forum, and things are still up in the air. That said, there is truly no reason that anyone should not set up homebrew on their Wii.

 

[oOJaseOo]

Whoever said Gannon is the worst in brawl is either brave or very stupid cause Chunk Noris dont check his bedroom for the boogy man he checks his wardrobe and under his bed for Gannondorf and i tell you now even after checking 20 times and finally going to bed hes still bricking it!!!!!

 

[Nishin]

As much as I hate to say it, Brawl -is- much more unbalanced than Melee; the likes of MK and Snake are far better than the likes of Fox, Shiek, Luigi, etc.

You may say that it's just the case of those characters having not unlocked their potential yet, but let's put it like this: I've been using Yoshi for 8-9 years (and my Yoshi isn't exactly easy to beat) but within about five days, my MK has already matched how good my Yoshi is, and will probably improve beyond.

Is that balanced? No, because Metaknight is better than Yoshi will (unfortunately ) ever be.

Which brings us to the whole point of Brawl+ and the idea of balancing the tier lists to bring a more balanced gameplay. You may ask why Nintendo didn't balance the tier list before - the simple answer is that they weren't aware of the potential of each character when in the use of very dedicated (and sometimes plain bored) gaming professionals. Obviously Nintendo intended the tier list to be balanced on Brawl but evidently they didn't realise that people would discover tricks and glitches that weren't intended, such as Yoshi's chaingrab and MK's infinite cape glitch.

Whilst that's my opinion, your opinion is equally valid and I have to respect that, but I've tried to see the Brawl character list as a balanced, single tier and unfortunately it's not the case.

that's all I can say :/

You could put it down to popularity and therefore, metagame.

We all know the trend; Meta Knight and Snake are top-tier. Consequently, many have taken them up, which means their metagame has skyrocketed.

Characters like Fox, Luigi and Yoshi have potential, its just that not enough people play them to make their metagame more advanced.

Darn.

 

[Tamoo]

i personally dont see luigi having that much potential tbh,

his horizontal air movement is probably one of the main things that will constantly hold him back

I personally dont buy into this 'metaknight is top tier so i will main him' story. I find it very hard to believe that someone will base their decision who to play on the tier list.

I think only so much can change to the metagames of the lower tiers at the moment, as its those users who have strived the hardest to find groundbreaking discoveries about their mains in order to make them more tournament viable, so if something hasn't been found by now, whatever that is found from now on will probably not make that much difference to their metagames.