East Midlands Social Thread

[K.Mac]

I think only so much can change to the metagames of the lower tiers at the moment, as its those users who have strived the hardest to find groundbreaking discoveries about their mains in order to make them more tournament viable, so if something hasn't been found by now, whatever that is found from now on will probably not make that much difference to their metagames.

Which is where Brawl+ comes in - to balance the tiers based on the true potential of each character and their metagames. ^^

 

[Nishin]

I personally dont buy into this 'metaknight is top tier so i will main him' story. I find it very hard to believe that someone will base their decision who to play on the tier list.

It does happen, though.

Personally, I tend to ignore the tier list. My highest tier player is Diddy Kong, in A tier. I didn't choose him because of his place, though. It's because I've been playing Donkey Kong 64 and decided to try him as a character. It just so happens that he's high up.

Anyway, if I paid full attention to the tier list, do you really think I would play Fox, Luigi and Pokémon Trainer in addition to Diddy?

 

[OldGeezer666]

Anyway, if I paid full attention to the tier list, do you really think I would play Fox, Luigi and Pokémon Trainer in addition to Diddy?

Dude i pay full attention to tier list's yet i still play C.falcon(brawl) and pichu in these smashfests
WillZeh:Awesome texture haxx BRAWWWWWWWWL+ is pro

 

[Willz]

Brawl+ is certainly awesome.

What would you guys prefer as a side tournament, Brawl+ or Brawl Doubles or Melee Doubles OR BRAWL+ DOUBLES YEEEEEEEEEE.

 

[OldGeezer666]

Brawl+ is certainly awesome.

What would you guys prefer as a side tournament, Brawl+ or Brawl Doubles or Melee Doubles OR BRAWL+ DOUBLES YEEEEEEEEEE.

brawl+ plez
hate doubles nobody wants too team with meh *sad face*

 

[Kasper!]

its looking more and more unlikely that i will go to one of these cause ive got lyon, manchester, london ranbats and allnight smashfests to go to

 

[Willz]

Your just scared of getting 3 stocked next time you see me Kira.

 

[Calzorz]

correct they did play brawl+ at apex chudat won but they didnt play it for money at apex just for fun

and luigi is v good if u dont think he is im sure myne wil change ur mind as trio yen and kmac wil agree

also kira get ur self down to this with ur london crew

 

[OldGeezer666]

eww i just saw the new ranking i dont like being last >_>

 

[auroreon]

But, surely, the standard game "separates the boys from the men."
If you can work around those unbalances and flaws, you've gotta be a great player.

If we're treating this as a matter of opinion; that's mine.

By simply changing a few words of that quote to other equivilant words, I will completely discredit it...
But, surely, playing with items and gimmick stages on "separates the boys from the men."
If you can work around those unbalances and flaws, you've gotta be a great player.

As much as I hate to say it, Brawl -is- much more unbalanced than Melee; the likes of MK and Snake are far better than the likes of Fox, Shiek, Luigi, etc.

You may say that it's just the case of those characters having not unlocked their potential yet, but let's put it like this: I've been using Yoshi for 8-9 years (and my Yoshi isn't exactly easy to beat) but within about five days, my MK has already matched how good my Yoshi is, and will probably improve beyond.

Is that balanced? No, because Metaknight is better than Yoshi will (unfortunately ) ever be.

Which brings us to the whole point of Brawl+ and the idea of balancing the tier lists to bring a more balanced gameplay. You may ask why Nintendo didn't balance the tier list before - the simple answer is that they weren't aware of the potential of each character when in the use of very dedicated (and sometimes plain bored) gaming professionals. Obviously Nintendo intended the tier list to be balanced on Brawl but evidently they didn't realise that people would discover tricks and glitches that weren't intended, such as Yoshi's chaingrab and MK's infinite cape glitch.

Whilst that's my opinion, your opinion is equally valid and I have to respect that, but I've tried to see the Brawl character list as a balanced, single tier and unfortunately it's not the case.

that's all I can say :/

Firstly, Brawl is more balanced than Melee, Brawl just happens to have 2 characters that are extremely unbalanced, but the roster overall is more balanced.
I will reckon I could take your MK with my Yoshi, I've gained a load more matchup experience against MK and the matchup in general is more even than with most characters.
I actually have more success competing with high tier characters as Yoshi than you would expect. And Ixis's Boozer can take most high tier mains.
Nintendo doesn't care about how balanced the game is, they don't care about competetive play at all really... I think if Nintendo and Sakurai had their way the smash series wouldn't have any competetive potential at all. Its merely this way by 'accident'.

Apex: Smash tournament with a Brawl+ tournament as part of it. 33 Entrants.

Beyond the Limit: Brawl+ only tournament with 40 entrants. Winner received $296. Grand Finals were Captain Falcon dittos.

"Top" Brawl and Melee players such as Ninjalink, ChuDat, Bum, Wes, JCeasar, Boss and The Cape are already keen players of the game.

More and more Brawl+ tournaments are being planned and run - just look at the Tournament Listings board.

Call it many things but destined to never be played seriously Brawl+ is not.

Aiko is correct, but discussion on this matter is somewhat shaky regarding the rules of this forum, and things are still up in the air. That said, there is truly no reason that anyone should not set up homebrew on their Wii.

Well said Almas, whilst I don't personal like B+, I completely agree with everything in that post. Theres no reason why a modified Brawl should not be seriously competetively played. The variety of characters in the results from the Apex Brawl+ event are certainly an improvement on the vBrawl results.

Whoever said Gannon is the worst in brawl is either brave or very stupid cause Chunk Noris dont check his bedroom for the boogy man he checks his wardrobe and under his bed for Gannondorf and i tell you now even after checking 20 times and finally going to bed hes still bricking it!!!!!

I will take on anyones Ganon and I will wn. I challenge anyone who thinks Ganon is even nearly a viable character to a match. If I don't 2-3 stock you, I might reconsider my judgement of Ganon.

You could put it down to popularity and therefore, metagame.

We all know the trend; Meta Knight and Snake are top-tier. Consequently, many have taken them up, which means their metagame has skyrocketed.

Characters like Fox, Luigi and Yoshi have potential, its just that not enough people play them to make their metagame more advanced.

Darn.

This was considered in the banning MetaKnight debate and largely discredited. Fact is that characters like MK and Snake just have better options available to get the job done, their metagame has been expanded more than most lower tiered characters but unless any major glitch/tech is discovered then no amount of investment into a lower tier character will bring them up to that level as simply... they just aren't as good.

Which is where Brawl+ comes in - to balance the tiers based on the true potential of each character and their metagames. ^^

... and to add ******** elements of previous games back into Brawl.

It does happen, though.

Personally, I tend to ignore the tier list. My highest tier player is Diddy Kong, in A tier. I didn't choose him because of his place, though. It's because I've been playing Donkey Kong 64 and decided to try him as a character. It just so happens that he's high up.

Anyway, if I paid full attention to the tier list, do you really think I would play Fox, Luigi and Pokémon Trainer in addition to Diddy?

Glad to hear someone else taking personal preference over tiers. If only more people based their character choice this way...

Brawl+ is certainly awesome.

What would you guys prefer as a side tournament, Brawl+ or Brawl Doubles or Melee Doubles OR BRAWL+ DOUBLES YEEEEEEEEEE.

No, it certainly isn't. Brawl doubles please.

Oh btw, quoting is fun. =)

 

[Willz]

Opinions ma boy.

And Aura I will challenge you with my amazing Ganon. Be scared.

 

[oOJaseOo]

I will take on anyones Ganon and I will wn. I challenge anyone who thinks Ganon is even nearly a viable character to a match. If I don't 2-3 stock you, I might reconsider my judgement of Ganon.

Sure i have no trouble 2 stockin snakes with him so yoshi should be fun

and if you do give me troubles gannoncide ftw

 

[OldGeezer666]

Opinions ma boy.

And Aura I will challenge you with my amazing Ganon. Be scared.

Your Gannondorf not good i have too say

 

[Willz]

Lol I was trying my hardest to beat you Cal by spamming Dair.

 

[Nishin]

No, it certainly isn't.

You agree with me there.

I pick all my characters as a matter of preference.

Luigi = My favourite Mario Character
Pokémon Trainer = LeafGreen Trainer (my game)
Fox = My favourite StarFox character (well, James McCloud is, but he's not in Smash)
Diddy Kong = My Favourite Donkey Kong character

I play all these guys regardless of their place on the tier list.

 

[Tamoo]

Ive never really picked a smash character based on game preferences, Im just all about who i'd have most fun with

It just happens that the characters i have most fun with in all three games happen to be up in the higher tiers lol

 

[Calzorz]

brawl+ will fail as an extra event tbh stick to brawl doubles , auron a few people do pick there very first chars as who they like i mained fox for 7months or so and won tournys xD but seriously no brawl+ do texture hacks for singles finals and no tripping with music hack but thats it

 

[K.Mac]

Firstly, Brawl is more balanced than Melee, Brawl just happens to have 2 characters that are extremely unbalanced, but the roster overall is more balanced.
I will reckon I could take your MK with my Yoshi, I've gained a load more matchup experience against MK and the matchup in general is more even than with most characters.
I actually have more success competing with high tier characters as Yoshi than you would expect. And Ixis's Boozer can take most high tier mains.

I don't doubt you being able to do that - I know full well that Yoshi's a very good matchup against MK - however it's just that I don't know MK that well so my experience with dealing with him is still kinda noobish; I only know how to deal with him by CGs and egg spam.

I will, however, ensure that you don't CP Castle Siege with my MK and your Yoshi, as I know that Yoshi ***** on that stage because of the walk-off on the second area.

My yoshi is improving as well, btw. I still can't DR although I've been practicing the Up-X-A (or Up-X-C, although I really should hit the A button because it's closer) and I can occasionally get it. You forget that our ditto friendlies last ranbat were fairly close.

And I do agree; if you take out the top two/three/four characters in the game, it's anyone's game. I do know that; I keep getting ***** by Ganondorf xD. But it's just the fact that MK and Snake make most of the other characters have very little chance of winning - I mean, isn't Ganondorf still unranked tournament wise?


I have very little experience against certain characters (Diddy, D3, ROB, Ike, etc) so I'm learning all the time how to deal with them.


and for the record - yes, Luigi is ****, and I do have to agree with Calz; he has one hell of a Luigi and I swear if Luigi doesn't move up the tier list because of Calz efforts, I'll change my main icon to MK in protest. :/

Ive never really picked a smash character based on game preferences, Im just all about who i'd have most fun with

It just happens that the characters i have most fun with in all three games happen to be up in the higher tiers lol

I just happen to be good with MK the same way O_o; I guess he suits me; you can be aggressive with him and get away with it... I'm a very overly aggressive player - blame Melee. lol.

edit

I understand we disagree on the aspect of the hitstun, Aurorean, but I'm 100% sure that we can agree on Brawl+ not having wavedashing and the single airdodge of Melee as being a good thing. Those are two things I'm glad aren't in Brawl+. I like my airdodges.

 

[Nishin]

And I do agree; if you take out the top two/three/four characters in the game, it's anyone's game. I do know that; I keep getting ***** by Ganondorf xD. But it's just the fact that MK and Snake make most of the other characters have very little chance of winning - I mean, isn't Ganondorf still unranked tournament wise?

and for the record - yes, Luigi is ****, and I do have to agree with Calz; he has one hell of a Luigi and I swear if Luigi doesn't move up the tier list because of Calz efforts, I'll change my main icon to MK in protest. :/

I play Luigi (Green Man = Pure awesomeness) and he does have one or two "get *****" matchups.
One of whom, I find, is Link. He has too much range for teh green man to get in close enough to go damage, high-priority hinders him, too.

Either that, or I'm just not good enough with Luigi to **** Link yet (even though it's against my little brother, who really overuses Smashes).

 

[Tamoo]

I used to main luigi and i find that more of the heavier characters are better, so characters like link i dont find much trouble

Its just characters like metaknight and dedede that made me give him up

 

[Anaky]

You agree with me there.

I pick all my characters as a matter of preference.

Thats exactly what i do son.

And no-one can beat my Ganon.

 

[Nishin]

And no-one can beat my Ganon.

Apart from me. XD
Then again, I didn't really beat your Ganon.
Your Ganon beat himself.

Also, while I'm here, I'm gonna show off my Smash logo:

Those of you who've played me will recognise that name.
It's mine. XD

Dr. Chu is not affiliated with Chu Dat, associates or shareholders. XD

 

[Calzorz]

what a cute little pikachu lmao xD

 

[Anaky]

I mean no-one can beat my Ganon in dittos.

 

[Nishin]

what a cute little pikachu lmao xD

His pose resembles Dr. Mario, no?

I mean no-one can beat my Ganon in dittos.

Alright, I getcha now.

 

[Aiko]

thomash31 - have you considered entering the banner competition for the NW circuit?

another though: you are much better than the last 13 yr old we had *cough* crewster *cough*

 

[Willz]

No Aiko GTFO I WILL WIN!

 

[Tamoo]

thomash31 - have you considered entering the banner competition for the NW circuit?

another though: you are much better than the last 13 yr old we had *cough* crewster *cough*

And soo much more mature, he proves you can be 13 and respectable on the boards

whatever happened to crewster anyway???

 

[Nishin]

thomash31 - have you considered entering the banner competition for the NW circuit?

another though: you are much better than the last 13 yr old we had *cough* crewster *cough*

*Goes to look for "NW circuit banner competition"*

And soo much more mature, he proves you can be 13 and respectable on the boards

*Is filled with a sense of self-satisfaction*

 

[Professor Pro]

whatever happened to crewster anyway???

If you click on his profile it says something about him going to boarding school so he wont be on smashboads for awhile lol.
http://www.smashboards.com/member.php?u=123608

 

[Nishin]

Can anyone post a link to this "banner competition"?
I never was particularly useful in the field of finding things.

Thanks.

 

[Tamoo]

Its just the NW brawl circuit thread, Aiko's made a competition where the winner gets entry to two of his tournaments for free or sumthing

And thats jokes bout Crewster, he wrote that as if people will be dissapointed about him leaving smashboards lol

 

[Willz]

Thomash don't enter I've already entered and I'm 100% certain to win.

 

[Calzorz]

Can anyone post a link to this "banner competition"?
I never was particularly useful in the field of finding things.

Thanks.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=216317

thats the NW thread

 

[K.Mac]

I used to main luigi and i find that more of the heavier characters are better, so characters like link i dont find much trouble

Its just characters like metaknight and dedede that made me give him up

You have to admit though; Luigi really should be higher up the tier-list than he is. He has some pretty awesome combos and probably the best FSmash in the game. =/

 

[Retroking2000]

lucas has the best fsmash its too fast and its got the most priority

 

[Tamoo]

Id say pits fsmash is the best in the game,

and if luigi is moving up, its only by a place or too, nothing drastic cos its so easy to just out space him

 

[The_Rake]

lucario should be fully immersed in the top 10, screw olimar, i beat jojo's olimar at yens and to me that's enough to warrant the slight move (at least that half a place more i reckon )

 

[MakoMako]

Id say pits fsmash is the best in the game,

and if luigi is moving up, its only by a place or too, nothing drastic cos its so easy to just out space him

PIT'S o_o 2 hits so it can be DI so very very very easily so killing with it only occurs at around 130%. Luigi's fsmash doesn't have enough range for it to be considered the best.

Best I'd say game & watch's if it wasn't so easily telegraphed, so i'd have to go for lucas for it's power which is similr to kirby's but beats it out in speed or lucario's for being the most practical when it's time to kill.

 

[Willz]

I say it's Falcons. Cuz he's Falcon.