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E3 2010

finalark

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I think that this is something that companies need to keep in mind for their press conferences:

- Nobody wants a Wii knock-off of any sort
- Nobody cares about your sales
- Nobody wants to hear about what totally awesome things your console does if it's been on the market for five or so years
- Nobody cares about your casual games
- People do care about you announcing totally awesome games
- Actually, you should rip-off Nintendo again and copy their press conference.

I went into Sony wanting Uncharted 3, Sly 4, Resistance 3, new Ratchet and Clank and Kingdom Hearts 3. I got 3D, Move and Twisted Metal. Oh well, at least I'm suddenly interested in Twisted Metal again.
 

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It'd be nice to see Sonic make a comeback. Since A2B it has fallen from grace, showing it's transition to 3D was "EPIC FAIL".

Sonic Colors does look nice, but I've never been a Sonic fan. Honestly from Sony I wanted:

Kingdom Heart 3
FFXIV Gameplay (eh, I guess I expected too much there)
Sly 4
Twisted Metal (I actually anticipated this, but I'm not impressed. I just have a gut feeling it's going to be meh)
FFXIII Agito


I didn't get anything I wanted except TM, lol.

From Nintendo all I wanted:

Zelda (check)
3DS (Big check)
Other M (check)

And they suprised me with like 7 other things. I may seriously get DQ9.
 

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And they suprised me with like 7 other things. I may seriously get DQ9.
Just be aware that DQIX is a step back and is similar to DQIII. Your whole team are generic characters.
So I wouldn't expect anything totally epic if you have your sights set high.
 

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Just be aware that DQIX is a step back and is similar to DQIII. Your whole team are generic characters.
So I wouldn't expect anything totally epic if you have your sights set high.
I know, and I'm fine with that.

Finalark. FF seem to create good characters, but Square Enix is the holy mother of rpgs. Them aside, the Tales series by Namco had some **** good characters, so bleh!
 

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I know, and I'm fine with that.

Finalark. FF seem to create good characters, but Square Enix is the holy mother of rpgs. Them aside, the Tales series by Namco had some **** good characters, so bleh!
For me it depends of the FF, some of the characters are absolutely one dimensional with only one defining trait and some tragic past that got them there while others are actually surprisingly well developed.

As for the Tales series, well, the only one that I've played was Tales of Symphonia. Cardboard cut-outs for characters, uses every single anime cliche in the book, predictable and boring.
 

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I'm actually quite interested in Goldeneye, I was very skeptical at first, but seeing the single and multiplayer gameplay, I can't wait, it's got a much more epic feel.

Kirby;Epic Yarn, DKCR, Kid Icarus, and Epic Mickey speak for themselves, and then we have Star Fox 64 DS, New Mario Kart, New Paper Mario, New Animal Crossing, and even Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory.
 

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I'm actually quite interested in Goldeneye, I was very skeptical at first, but seeing the single and multiplayer gameplay, I can't wait, it's got a much more epic feel.
I don't know, I've heard that it plays like a poor man's Call of Duty. But we'll see.

Kirby;Epic Yarn, DKCR, Kid Icarus, and Epic Mickey speak for themselves, and then we have Star Fox 64 DS, New Mario Kart, New Paper Mario, New Animal Crossing, and even Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory.
Let's be honest, the remainder of this year and a good portion of next year are going to kick ***.
 

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For me it depends of the FF, some of the characters are absolutely one dimensional with only one defining trait and some tragic past that got them there while others are actually surprisingly well developed.

As for the Tales series, well, the only one that I've played was Tales of Symphonia. Cardboard cut-outs for characters, uses every single anime cliche in the book, predictable and boring.
Cliche Storm or Troperiffic? Your Mileage May Vary
 

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this troper has to admit i've never played ToS but i heatd theirs tons of cliches.

anyway what i want

sly4

beyond good and evil2

kingdom hearts3
 

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It'd be nice to see Sonic make a comeback. Since A2B it has fallen from grace, showing it's transition to 3D was "EPIC FAIL".

Sonic Colors does look nice, but I've never been a Sonic fan. Honestly from Sony I wanted:

Kingdom Heart 3
FFXIV Gameplay (eh, I guess I expected too much there)
Sly 4
Twisted Metal (I actually anticipated this, but I'm not impressed. I just have a gut feeling it's going to be meh)
FFXIII Agito


I didn't get anything I wanted except TM, lol.

From Nintendo all I wanted:

Zelda (check)
3DS (Big check)
Other M (check)

And they suprised me with like 7 other things. I may seriously get DQ9.
Some dumb Sony anticipations.

KH3 won't be made in another few years, keep dreamin'. Sly 4...wow, you weren't happy w/ the Sly Collection? Some fan you are. You realize Sucker Punch is busy w/ Infamous 2, right?

People like you really need to give some of these things like Move and realism a chance. Honestly, you really need to play some of these games the PS3 has to offer.

@finalark: Go to Insomniac's site, Ratchet and Clank won't be coming for a while either.
 

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ok whats the sly collection? and didn't rachet and clank ende with crank in time
 

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I love how you quote mine and not the other 10 people that think Sly 4 would be nice, etc etc. Honestly, my respect for Sony dwindled over the years. A repeating pattern of making games with sequels that are not necessary annoys me. KH2 came out forever ago, yet KH3 still doesn't exist because of all the add ons. That being said, I'm not really all for FFXIII Agito either, because I think they should move on to the next thing.

And for the record, "People like me" don't play games for realism. That just defeats the purpose for me.
 

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I love how you quote mine and not the other 10 people that think Sly 4 would be nice, etc etc. Honestly, my respect for Sony dwindled over the years. A repeating pattern of making games with sequels that are not necessary annoys me. KH2 came out forever ago, yet KH3 still doesn't exist because of all the add ons. That being said, I'm not really all for FFXIII Agito either, because I think they should move on to the next thing.

And for the record, "People like me" don't play games for realism. That just defeats the purpose for me.
It's something new, like in 06-07 w/ the Wii, but no one flamed that b4 its release now did they?
Blame Square Enix for their lazy decisions. I rest my case.

@BBQ, Sly Collection is Sly Coopers 1, 2, and 3 from PS2 games w/ HD and 3D effects.
 

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KH3 won't be made in another few years
I was expecting at least a teaser trailer by now, it's been... five years(?) since KH2 so I was expecting it. Oh well.

Sly 4...wow, you weren't happy w/ the Sly Collection? Some fan you are.
No, I'm not satisfied with buying three games I already own only with prettier graphics (Although I'll admit that I'd much rather have Infamous 2 than Sly 4).

You realize Sucker Punch is busy w/ Infamous 2, right?
Yep. It looks kind of strange, though. Seriously, what happened to Cole? We suddenly have this British guy with Ice and Lighting powers... um... what? Whatever, I'm sure Sucker Punch will make it awesome.

@finalark: Go to Insomniac's site, Ratchet and Clank won't be coming for a while either.
Mmm... oh well. I'm kind of sad that they didn't announce Resistance 3, but whatever.

I replied to the above that weren't directed at me because I wanted some of those things too.
 

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Some dumb Sony anticipations.

KH3 won't be made in another few years, keep dreamin'. Sly 4...wow, you weren't happy w/ the Sly Collection? Some fan you are. You realize Sucker Punch is busy w/ Infamous 2, right?

People like you really need to give some of these things like Move and realism a chance. Honestly, you really need to play some of these games the PS3 has to offer.

@finalark: Go to Insomniac's site, Ratchet and Clank won't be coming for a while either.
Because every fan of a game waits for the day they can get a re-mastered collection of games they've already played rather than a new title in the series. Yup.

And Sucker Punch may be busy with Infamous 2, does that mean someone can't hope for something else?

Also, you're honestly telling people they need to give a blatant Wii rip-off a chance? They barely even tried to disguise it aside from putting a huge colored ball on the end.

I don't really care either way, I don't own a PS3 yet myself (which of course is going to be grounds for you yelling at me, I'm sure), but with posts that make you sound blatantly like a fanboy because you're basically yelling at people for expecting/hoping for games that they want and telling them they should be paying attention to something that doesn't interest them at all, as if they're being close-minded.

I don't have a problem with Sony, but I do have a problem with fanboys.

And Shimazu has a point. Who the hell plays games for realism? If I want a realistic game then I can go out into the world and do it myself. The majority of gamers tend to play video games so they can do something they can't do in real life.

And?

That's no legitimate excuse to hate on something new. I thought people would've realized this when Sega All Stars Racing came out.
Um...yes it is? I bet if Nintendo or Microsoft were copying Sony you'd be having a fit right now.

Also lol at it being "new". You admit it's a rip-off and then actually try and pass it off as new?
 

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And?

That's no legitimate excuse to hate on something new. I thought people would've realized this when Sega All Stars Racing came out.
Um... it isn't new. It's the same thing Nintendo put out four years ago or so only it's got a bright bulb on the end.

And weak argument using Sega Racing, yes I own the game and I enjoy it but that's only because I got it for a discounted price. It's a Mario Kart clone, sure a fun and well put together Mario Kart clone but it the end it's still a Mario Kart Clone (I'd say that it was a kart racer but it even has the same items as Mario Kart only with different names baring the All-Star moves).

I think I better example would have been Dante's Infe- no, wait, that's still a bad example.
 

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It's something new, like in 06-07 w/ the Wii, but no one flamed that b4 its release now did they?
Blame Square Enix for their lazy decisions. I rest my case.

@BBQ, Sly Collection is Sly Coopers 1, 2, and 3 from PS2 games w/ HD and 3D effects.
I complained about Nintendo making bad choices, I love Sony a lot too, but I'm not a fanboy of either. I do blame Square for their lazy decisions, since FFXII they have went downhill, and I'm hoping XIV/XV/more rpgs of different titles will redeem themselves. I also blame them for the lack of KH3, but I don't exactly see Sony complaining about it either. They know more titles = more money, so they are not innocent, either.

except its a rip off looking thing of the wii
That sums up Kinect/PSmove, the only people I know that like it are fanboys. It's how I know my friend isn't a 360fanboy, because he hates it, lol.

Because every fan of a game waits for the day they can get a re-mastered collection of games they've already played rather than a new title in the series. Yup.

And Sucker Punch may be busy with Infamous 2, does that mean someone can't hope for something else?

Also, you're honestly telling people they need to give a blatant Wii rip-off a chance? They barely even tried to disguise it aside from putting a huge colored ball on the end.

I don't really care either way, I don't own a PS3 yet myself (which of course is going to be grounds for you yelling at me, I'm sure), but with posts that make you sound blatantly like a fanboy because you're basically yelling at people for expecting/hoping for games that they want and telling them they should be paying attention to something that doesn't interest them at all, as if they're being close-minded.

I don't have a problem with Sony, but I do have a problem with fanboys.

And Shimazu has a point. Who the hell plays games for realism? If I want a realistic game then I can go out into the world and do it myself. The majority of gamers tend to play video games so they can do something they can't do in real life.



Um...yes it is? I bet if Nintendo or Microsoft were copying Sony you'd be having a fit right now.

Also lol at it being "new". You admit it's a rip-off and then actually try and pass it off as new?
Thanks. This is also probably why bar-Metroid I'm not into fps. MW2 and etc seems so realistic it dulls me out. Where as my friend is going to the military, he plays them because "he wants to be ready" I actually can understand that, but I never understand the other motives.

Anyways the truth is Sony is doing better. At the start I was beginning to loose faith in them, but they are doing better. They are working with Square and reviving old brand games, and FF is taking a turn for the better. I'm also sure KH3 is also not far away. That being said, I'm not flaming Sony; I'm happy they are wising up (in the games dept), but the psmove is fail.

It seems hard for people to realize this, but you need to make games and a series, and then move on. FF is an exception because each numeral is different. (Zelda is also an exception, etc) But games like KH, they need to go on with the series and not drag things out. I don't know why it is so hard for people to get that.

My point stands still though, and that is I wasn't trying to flame Sony. (in the games does that. There is quite a few Zelda games which are "meh", the FF7 collection sickens me, etc.
 

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Because every fan of a game waits for the day they can get a re-mastered collection of games they've already played rather than a new title in the series. Yup.

And Sucker Punch may be busy with Infamous 2, does that mean someone can't hope for something else?

Also, you're honestly telling people they need to give a blatant Wii rip-off a chance? They barely even tried to disguise it aside from putting a huge colored ball on the end.

I don't really care either way, I don't own a PS3 yet myself (which of course is going to be grounds for you yelling at me, I'm sure), but with posts that make you sound blatantly like a fanboy because you're basically yelling at people for expecting/hoping for games that they want and telling them they should be paying attention to something that doesn't interest them at all, as if they're being close-minded.

I don't have a problem with Sony, but I do have a problem with fanboys.

And Shimazu has a point. Who the hell plays games for realism? If I want a realistic game then I can go out into the world and do it myself. The majority of gamers tend to play video games so they can do something they can't do in real life.



Um...yes it is? I bet if Nintendo or Microsoft were copying Sony you'd be having a fit right now.

Also lol at it being "new". You admit it's a rip-off and then actually try and pass it off as new?
@Firus: Translation: "I can't counter your argument so I'll type jibberish."

Is this some kind of a joke? Lol, there are fanboys in here but I'm not one 'em. If Ninty copied say... LittleBigPlanet, I don't care, the Wii has too little memory to make such a game worth it, especially the poor online.

By the way, PLEASE tell me where I can get those jetpacks from Killzone 3 cause I would kill for one those, thanks.
 

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FF7 collection sickens me
You don't want to know how many awesome points you just gained right now.

As for Kingdom Hearts, well, it's one big continuing story that I've frankly lost interest in because Square takes to long to make them. Four years between KH1 and 2? Sorry, but a spin off here than there doesn't keep my interest for long. The only reason why I'm able to tolerate this for things like Zelda and Ratchet and Clank is because each one tells it's own story. When you have one continuous story that you rarely add to (and plot hole patching/inducing spin-offs don't count) then people will start to loose interest.
 

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@Firus: Translation: "I can't counter your argument so I'll type jibberish."

Is this some kind of a joke? Lol, there are fanboys in here but I'm not one 'em. If Ninty copied say... LittleBigPlanet, I don't care, the Wii has too little memory to make such a game worth it, especially the poor online.

By the way, PLEASE tell me where I can get those jetpacks from Killzone 3 cause I would kill for one those, thanks.
So you really don't care if someone copies someones hard work? Say Nintendo took a 360 (the direction, not console) and made a new console with ****** specs and took all of ps3's games and copied them. This would never happen, but if they did you wouldn't care? I hardly doubt it, usually if you love a series or company you hate to see it's ideals copied/stolen, just saying.

Also while Killzone 3 is futuristic, it's battle system is somewhat realistic. It's not like playing Sly or something. But I do like Killzone, so don't take that the wrong way. I've always felt it's stronger than Halo (which is VERY ironic since I hate realism in games, but I love the designs of Killzone sooooo much)

I'll end on the note~ The jetpacks are omg amazing.


Edit: Final Ark :

I always loved FF7. I thought Cloud actually had a good character, and I felt..similar to him maybe? I loved all the characters, and the game..I was deeply embedded in it. (FFX is also amazing, by the way) Then they make Advent Children, a sub-par movie with little to no success for me. Then they make DoC, a game with decent gameplay and okay storyline, but again completely unnecessary. Then they make short crap psp games about Zack, who gives a **** about Zack god ****. Then are they done? No. They make Cell phone games. It makes me sick. They took a great game, the ICON of rpgs, and made it a very... "lol" collection.
 

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I shall <3 Regardless of how it is after production, I'll probably get it. Twisted Metal<3
 

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@Firus: Translation: "I can't counter your argument so I'll type jibberish."

Is this some kind of a joke? Lol, there are fanboys in here but I'm not one 'em. If Ninty copied say... LittleBigPlanet, I don't care, the Wii has too little memory to make such a game worth it, especially the poor online.

By the way, PLEASE tell me where I can get those jetpacks from Killzone 3 cause I would kill for one those, thanks.
There was absolutely nothing gibberish about my post, you're the one passing what I said off as nothing because you have no reply.

Considering how much you raged at someone who did nothing more than express the expectations that Sony's E3 did not live up to, because they were too busy talking about a Wii rip-off, I have no reason to believe you're not a fanboy.

You also proved nothing with that LBP example because not only is that a game and not a concept, but you even said you didn't care because Nintendo wouldn't be able to pull it off, not because you don't mind people legitimately ripping off ideas.

And I misunderstood exactly which realism you were talking about. Regardless of any of that, a fair-sized portion of the gamer population tends to like games that are more fantastical. Not just "OH WELL I COULDN'T HAVE THAT JETPACK THAR IN REAL LIFE". The entire concept. There's nothing WRONG with realism if you like it, but for people that look for the most fantastical experience possible, you can't expect them to like it.

Yelling at someone because they don't like a game that's somewhat similar to reality is silly. It's like getting angry at someone who doesn't like scary movies because they refuse to watch The Ring or something, or telling someone who hates FPSs to play Call of Duty.
 

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@Shimazu, lawsuit anyone?

That's exaggerating things to the point where I have no choice but to get pissed off. xD

@Firus, Game Over, try again when you get some common sense.

Ok don't take that seriously, but when I said copy LBP, I meant copying the concept of "Play, Create, Share" it's impossible for Ninty to do this as well as MediaMolecule...on Wii.
 

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I'm getting a job sometime next week. I'm saving most of my money (I plan to um...you know, do something very special in the future), but I got to find a way to get these games.
- Other M is my bday gift from my girlfriend
- Skyward Sword is an anniversary gift (she plans this stuff out, love her<333)

I need to find a way to get:

Black / White
3DS
(I also want Crystal Chronicles on DS... been meaning to get that coop for me and the gf)
Donkey kong
FFXIV (plus payments)
Twisted metal....
Dragon Age (I need a new copy v.v)
FFXIII..

ugh. And I have to get a mini fridge for someone. This bill is depressing me.

@ Gunmaster, it's just how you came off =P I'm not being entirely serious by the way Oo; I have strep throat and are drugged up, don't take me seriously XD.
 

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If I ever get a Playstation 3, I might consider picking this game up.

May still get a PS3 for Gran Turismo 5.
I'd rather have the pitch-black humor of Twisted Metal than the realism of Gran Turismo personally. Because if I really wanted the same experience I'd get from playing GT or Forza Motorsport I'd just hop into my card and go for an afternoon drive. But that's just me.

- Other M is my bday gift from my girlfriend
- Skyward Sword is an anniversary gift (she plans this stuff out, love her<333)
Lucky son of a gun, I wish I had a girlfriend!

I need to find a way to get:

Black / White
3DS
(I also want Crystal Chronicles on DS... been meaning to get that coop for me and the gf)
Donkey kong
FFXIV (plus payments)
Twisted metal....
Dragon Age (I need a new copy v.v)
FFXIII..
Jobs are a wonderful thing, my friend. And I wouldn't bother buying FF13, everyone I've talked to who bought it claims that they wished that had just borrowed it or rented it instead.

EDIT: You guys might want to take a look at this: http://screwattack.com/blogs/ScrewAttack-News/No-need-to-re-invent-the-Wii-says-Nintendo-president
 

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I'd rather have the pitch-black humor of Twisted Metal than the realism of Gran Turismo personally. Because if I really wanted the same experience I'd get from playing GT or Forza Motorsport I'd just hop into my card and go for an afternoon drive. But that's just me.



Lucky son of a gun, I wish I had a girlfriend!

Is the link revealing your sarcasm? I dunno, I met her on Final Fantasy XI; it's pretty chill living with her.


Jobs are a wonderful thing, my friend. And I wouldn't bother buying FF13, everyone I've talked to who bought it claims that they wished that had just borrowed it or rented it instead.
I have too. I love western games (I actually liked Dante's Inferno, and some recent posts make me feel bad for liking it), but I'm eastern in heart. Since Capcom's Breath of Fire is dead, FF is my life force D;. I have to get it, even if it's fail. Linear Rpg = fail. Thus, my expectations are low.

On that list, a TV is first. Then the fridge for her. >_> Then..Crystal Chronicles. they are old rpgs, but co-op rpgs are so much fun, and since the GCN one has a luck based level system, I'd rather play the handhelds.
 

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That has to be the biggest waste of money I've ever heard. You can get a Mote, Chuck, and Motion+ for half that :/
Well, that's just a lie.

http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=63933 - Wii Mote $40
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=63934 - Nunchunk $20
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=74505 - Wii Motion Plus $25.

That's $85 for a complete set.

Shimazu said:
So you really don't care if someone copies someones hard work? Say Nintendo took a 360 (the direction, not console) and made a new console with ****** specs and took all of ps3's games and copied them. This would never happen, but if they did you wouldn't care? I hardly doubt it, usually if you love a series or company you hate to see it's ideals copied/stolen, just saying.
I wouldn't care. I don't love companies, especially console game designers. I look at what a console can offer, and I buy the one that suits me best. If Nintendo could make a system up to the specs of a PS3 AND match the quality of first party games, I'd buy both.

Also, you mean 180. Doing a 360 means you are back where you started.
 

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so we wont see a new system in a while untill a decline in sales?
 

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I want to see new systems sooner, wish PS4 would have a cooler name.... get a bit more original you know? I've felt this way for a while now. Xbox>360.. okay thats different. Nes>Snes(meh name) > N64 (broke the name there) > GCN (lol wut?) > wii (???)

Soft and Ninty seem to have good names, why not Sony?
 

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I want to see new systems sooner, wish PS4 would have a cooler name.... get a bit more original you know? I've felt this way for a while now. Xbox>360.. okay thats different. Nes>Snes(meh name) > N64 (broke the name there) > GCN (lol wut?) > wii (???)

Soft and Ninty seem to have good names, why not Sony?
MS just took the name of their last system and then slapped Geometry onto it, Nintendo comes up with new names each time.

@ finalark
so we wont see a new system in a while untill a decline in sales?
Yeah. Although I'm expecting an Xbox 720 any day now seeing how the console is really starting to show it's age.
 

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@Firus, Game Over, try again when you get some common sense.

Ok don't take that seriously, but when I said copy LBP, I meant copying the concept of "Play, Create, Share" it's impossible for Ninty to do this as well as MediaMolecule...on Wii.
I can't figure out if the first statement and the first part of the next sentence are connected or not. You worded that confusingly. I severely hope so, because there was nothing about my post that lacked common sense. >_> (Not to mention you'd still be the one dodging my arguments by saying I'm nuts.)

If they were connected, disregard that paragraph.

Okay, Nintendo didn't do it well at all obviously, but...technically, didn't BRAWL do that, and before LBP? (Not that I'm honestly saying that system worked out very well at all, or did it better than LBP.)

MS just took the name of their last system and then slapped Geometry onto it, Nintendo comes up with new names each time.
Adding "Super" was arguably less creative than 360, actually.

360 wasn't the most creative name in the world but it's better than tacking on a new, sequential number each time.

Also I'm betting 720 isn't going to happen -- 360 was probably just for the "revolution" part.
 
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