Doctor Who Mafia: Night 1 Begins! Deadline is set for the 31th at 0400.

[Tandora]

The following is irrelevant to every other player in the game. Do not attempt to read me on the following. This is not in any way a crumb.

Tan if I told you if your presence changed what I said I would effectively out my alignment to you. I planned to play the game this way before I received my role PM.

*nod*

Guys, Swiss and I AIM chat a lot and this fits with something he told me before game start. In short, it is a null tell so I recommend we don't push for him to say if he is town or not.

 

[hidajiremi]

Hida how long will it take you to have a good read on Tan? If you are wrong on this read, can we lynch you as confirmed scum?

Well, I'm a pretty new player overall. Only been in two forum mafia games so far, and I had to drop out of one of them because of work and school obligations. I've played a lot or IRL mafia though, and a little bit of AIMafia, so I know more or less the ebb and flow of how a game goes.

As far as reading Tandora... We've been together a long time now, so I can usually tell when she's trying to hide something from me in person, but we've made it pretty firm that we're not going to even mention this game around each other, lest one of us slip up and reveal something with our tone or facial expressions. Her forum mafia training has made her better at keeping stuff from me too. Whenever we play Battlestar Galactica (a board game that uses the mafia principles), I can never tell if she's good town or great scum. It's a real problem. There will come a certain point (maybe by day two or three) where I'll have a 75-85% read on whether she's town or scum based on her posting style... but I wouldn't bet my life on it.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

I've already explained why I think smargaret is scummy, Gheb. If you want to treat what I said as if it doesn't have any worth and that I'm wrong, that's fine. However, when someone grabs onto something someone (PM) says (something that even the person saying it doesn't vocally show that they find scummy, because it isn't) and uses it to keep an RVS vote on someone so the person doesn't have to work to scum hunt, I find this scummy. And I am, at this moment, voting her on this reasoning. I have no intention at the moment of convincing you or anyone else to vote for her as well, I don't want anyone lynched yet. But I want to see more from Smargaret.

Anyways. Smarg, questions. Would like to see some more of your stance on Swiss. Do you have anything else (perhaps I missed it if you've pointed it out, or perhaps you haven't said it) that pushes you to vote for Swiss? Is there anyone else that you find scummy? If so, who and why?

Leaving soon for a smashfest. Don't know when I'll be home.

 

[Tandora]

Well, I'm a pretty new player overall. Only been in two forum mafia games so far, and I had to drop out of one of them because of work and school obligations. I've played a lot or IRL mafia though, and a little bit of AIMafia, so I know more or less the ebb and flow of how a game goes.

As far as reading Tandora... We've been together a long time now, so I can usually tell when she's trying to hide something from me in person, but we've made it pretty firm that we're not going to even mention this game around each other, lest one of us slip up and reveal something with our tone or facial expressions. Her forum mafia training has made her better at keeping stuff from me too. Whenever we play Battlestar Galactica (a board game that uses the mafia principles), I can never tell if she's good town or great scum. It's a real problem. There will come a certain point (maybe by day two or three) where I'll have a 75-85% read on whether she's town or scum based on her posting style... but I wouldn't bet my life on it.

That's right, we've been together 12 years and he still cannot read me....

I also told him before the game started I was gonna totally tunnel him to see how badly he cracks.

VOTE HIDAJIREMI

 

[hidajiremi]

Also, I've decided with this forum mafia game, I'm going to be more individual post-oriented than I was previously. In my previous forum game experience, I had a problem coming up with things to post, because I could only check the forums once a day or so, and by the time I read the entirety of what had been done while I was gone, I didn't feel like I had a lot to add. Now, I'm going to try to respond to posts as I read them (and hopefully check the thread a little more often since I've got more time now) and put down my own thoughts as the "reading summary" stuff. If that makes sense at all.

 

[hidajiremi]

That's right, we've been together 12 years and he still cannot read me....

I also told him before the game started I was gonna totally tunnel him to see how badly he cracks.

VOTE HIDAJIREMI

What.

 

[hidajiremi]

Letting FF have a proxy vote isn't a good idea. He may be confirmed town, but that doesn't mean his reads are better than anyone else's--just more honest. We should listen to his opinions, definitely, and maybe allow them some weight in a tie situation, but there's a reason that people who are "dead" can't vote. The dead should stay dead, honestly.

More to the point, encouraging new players (like myself) to throw their vote behind FF is a strategy that looks designed to create an easily-lead voting block. If you convince people that's a good idea, then you only have to make FF think you're town and suddenly you have a whole train of people copy-pasting the vote. It encourages people to not think, and thinking is town's victory strategy.

I completely agree that so many hydras will muddy the waters. The bigger hydras need to go, just so that town can start getting decent reads on the remaining people. So unless I see a more reasonable argument in the next little while:

Vote Peach Monster

 

[Tandora]

I completely agree that so many hydras will muddy the waters. The bigger hydras need to go, just so that town can start getting decent reads on the remaining people. So unless I see a more reasonable argument in the next little while:

Vote Peach Monster

Do you have any other reasons to vote Peach? Have they acted particularly scummy to you? Doesn't it seem that you've just picked an easy target? Have you looked at any other players? Does Gheb's suggestion seem scummy to you?

Your reason for Peach is fine...if we were crunched for a lynch. If NL was coming up, yes I would agree with you. But a better strategy is to vote for scum, not the people we dislike.

 

[Pythag]

Care to stick with what's actually happening? Where has smarg been "digging out reasons to keep her vote there"? As far as I'm aware she threw her vote on Swiss [randomly] and later found - based on PMs reasoning - that her vote was in the right place. Well, that can happen you know and I still like to know what the scummy part about it is. The only scummy thing you mentioned is the "digging up posts" part, which isn't even true.

this

Because people tend to not care about flavor on the case of alignment when referring to alignment: if you're town, you're town aligned.

summarize my thoughts on these issues quite nicely. Although I'm watching Swiss.



Kuz makes a great point here, I want to state it again

I don't think the newbies should. That absolves them of responsibility and gives all that burden to FF. ("Since FF says X should be voted, I'll vote him")

That's, really selfish. He may be awesome at scumhunting, but if he makes a mistake, he'd be punished hard, and the newbies might shy away and choose to question him.

Using FF as a model seems appropriate. Of course, they could try to play like him, but in no way should they agree with him blindly. They need to come up with reasons to vote someone on their own.

FF is great, but he can be wrong. Especially in a large game there's a TON going on. We can't just say "noobs listen to the experienced player" and make FF shoulder all the burden of scumhunting. That's a poor strategy.

Similarly having everyone and their mother jumping down everyone's throats for something that they think might be scumhunting is also bad, because if we're all saying stuff, no one listens.

using FF as a MODEL is the best idea.

Dark Yoshi are you most suspect of Smar?

 

[Dark Yoshi]

Preci sely

 

[Pythag]

oh also. I'm not super akin to playing with hydras, but this advice seemed REALLY spot on.

Oh and btw I totally endorse being biased against hydras. Any questionably playing/inactive hydras need to be mega vig fodder in the early game.

 

[Swiss]

Pythag, why is a 'slip' from a hydra more deserving of death than a slip from another playerslot?

It's all very well to agree with opinions posted (which I must admit you do well) - but where is your reasoning, your beliefs and your posts which other people will then quote, praising them.

 

[Chuckie]

Omg I haven't refreshed.

Omg this is travelling at the speed of light! Also that opening flavour is wonderful Wii will summon essence of Leela. Wii harness essence of simplicity and efficiency

vote: Dark Yoshi
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Stuff for our peace of mind:

@Pink Panther: Um, exactly in what way do you believe Amy Pond to be cooler than K9? Because we can't see it at all. Who wrote that post?

@Dark Yoshi: What did ewe learn from that Weakest Link video? (aside from that Ann Robinson is a complete ***** bahaha!)

@Swiss: [#120] Will you be biased against us (despite playing with us in the playground since the dawn of Chuckie's existence)? In all seriousness, wii believe this quote is in need of elaboration: "FF is dead. His N0 death immediately puts scum in a certain category of players." - can you go into more detail regarding this statement plz? And why do you agree with Gheb's line of thinking that newer players should proxy their votes to Frozen?
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I suggest that one or two of the newer players listen to him and "proxy" their votes on him. Not to load all the responsibility on him but it's surely helpful for a new player who's lost in that swell of information and activity.

^Eye just don't know what to make of this yet because really it should be churned the other way IOHO. Eye-O-Ho! This stands for In One Half's Opinion because Vanz is currently slightly V/LA Rather than having newer players act on behalf of Frozen, we should instead motivate the scary ghost man himself to reach out and convince such (and all) players to follow him if he believes to have found a decent lead to a scummyscummie. I believe the interactions we'll generate from that instead will be more beneficial. I don't know...... like I feel we'd be taking something away from the player Frozen "steps into the shoes of" so to speak.

If FF does play pro-town, and his typical pro scumhunting self, and IF any of the proxy players are scum, it will hurt them more than help them. This should be obvious.

Can you elaborate a little more on this? Also why is it important than Frozen has his vote?

We would essentially put Frozen in a position to become an authority figure as opposed to a contributor to this game in that he'll speak on behalf of another player and through this we could potentially lose valuable natural/artificial information (what that player's vote would have been etc...) that could help determine the alignment of this player in exchange for Frozen's vote instead, which we already know he's Town and which could even end up being wrong and which could allow newbie Town players to feel useless and discouraged and which could allow newbie Scum players to become a Frozen underling and capitalise on this situation with smart play themselves (the horror) and smart coaching from its buddies.

I believe in this instance that Frozen's voice is more important than his vote because he can fake vote and he is more than capable of instigating wagons and questioning them. I like Tandora's idea that he should fake vote. Basically, we should ignore this whole proxy issue, have Frozen do his thing whilst having everyone else do their thing and scumhunt with all the information we get from people doing their things

^Those 2 paragraphs made partial sense
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Why does the monster have 4 HEADS? Could it become any scarier? Also Air keeps posting nightmare-inducing death GIFs of Pennywise on my wall. Chuckie no no like, like Leela! I feel that the monster's early exchange with Swiss was very intrusive, Edrees looked more investigative whereas Praxis seems to be the intrusive one, like he was trying to cattle prod Swiss into the scumbox a bit too forcefully there.

@Monster: what have you learnt from your exchanges with Swiss? What do you think of Teryble Doom?, especially their light suspicions on Swiss when Tery broke into the game?

I'm for the "follow FF" idea, but I can also see where Peach Monster and others are coming from. My initial reaction was "This is actually pretty good, having a basically invincible player who is awesome at scumhunting, in a game where there are some newer players." But I can also see the side where it makes newbscum not accountable. But I think, in general, newbscum will slip easier than more experienced scum, even without voting. So I'm for "follow FF." As long as FF is willing to go along with it.

*throws some egg shells* This post reads to me like you're treading lightly, you've committed to something but are also trying to keep a middle ground for safety. I don't like this because it looks like you're people-pleasing and thus playing it somewhat safe.

Because you would get modkilled, and a
<17 page D1 is not a good thing.

I also don't like this. Why do ewe think Swiss' death would end the Day? Didn't you previously ask what alignment Swiss was like you didn't know? In addition, the echo of Monster's quickedit business was unnecessary, to me that was a tacked on question and looked scripted/mechanical/whatever you wanna call it as if to magnify the situation further despite saying a modkill is bad. It's devious and wii want to throw sweets at you!!!

 

[Pythag]

Not as much of a slip. Slips happen.
and a slip was never mentioned. 'Questionable playing' was what drew my attention. If the heads are contradictory, or it seems like one head is doing damage control for the mess that the other is getting itself into. That would be something for a vig to look into.

I don't know if you were being sarcastic when you said that I agree with opinions posted.

Perhaps this is me trying to prevent adding to much too the noise? No one was asking things anything from me. So I am trying to sort through everything being said and find the stuff that I don't want lost, or I think to be said again.


I think there was a ton of (and still are) pedantic arguments in lieu of scumhunting. Because how much can you scumhunt D1? All that we really can gauge (IMO) is reactions.

Which leads me to Peach Monster vs Swiss and Smar.
These are the players that I feel have given us the most in terms of talking points.

PM and Swiss are clearly both strong players and personalities. It would be very bad if one (or both!) of you is scum. You both have had strong reactions to each other, which if BOTH of you are mafia, could be seen as you two trying to distance/bus/whatever. I don't think that is the case, I'm merely speculating. As it stands I'm leaning more towards Swiss being more likely of being scum.

I think there's scum around Smar. If Smar is scum, then badda bing, that's it. But there could also be the possibility that Scum is jumping on Smar trying to get her lynched. I haven't totally finished rereading, (I want to look into Hilt) but as of now, my vote is probably going to fall in that area.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Ehhhh....

I forgot to put this on Subscription and now am 8 pages behind. I hate playing in games with Hydras, especially large games. Anyway, Johns...

@Mod: Request replacement

 

[The Pink Sasquatch]

Only partially caught up, I asked J to post for us but he's busy being a loser or something

@PM: Swiss is town. You know how I know him yeah? He is town until I say otherwise. (X1 says otherwise, what J says doesn't count) If you suggest we are scumbuddies after me saying this I will strangle you

@DY: How do you know Swiss modkill would end the Day?

@Chuckie: Would you feel confident leaving the determining of Swiss' alignment down to me so your efforts could be best spent eslewhere?

I also see to remember thinking Hilt is town.

Unvote
Vote: Dark Yoshi

 

[smargaret]

Swiss, I posted at like 3 am GMT because that's after dinner EST, where I am. I've had the migraine from hell for the last two days and skimmed, and I could not find the post you were referring to in like 15 minutes of reading the same 120 posts and quit. I'm going to catch up from the beginning and post more, including a response, later today.

 

[Chuckie]

@Chuckie: Would you feel confident leaving the determining of Swiss' alignment down to me so your efforts could be best spent eslewhere?

Why did you ask us this? Also no, not unless you have substantial reasoning that wii agree with

 

[Dark Yoshi]

@Pinky: We don't "know" Swiss is town. We just have a very strong feeling he is. And town modkills end the day. That's how we're pretty sure Swiss' modkill would.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

I don't think the newbies should. That absolves them of responsibility and gives all that burden to FF. ("Since FF says X should be voted, I'll vote him")

That's, really selfish. He may be awesome at scumhunting, but if he makes a mistake, he'd be punished hard, and the newbies might shy away and choose to question him.

Using FF as a model seems appropriate. Of course, they could try to play like him, but in no way should they agree with him blindly. They need to come up with reasons to vote someone on their own.

I really like this post.

Can't offer much in terms of specific arguments atm, but I have a few things I wanna point out.

- I find it interesting the the Dark Horse wagon is taking off really quickly while the smargwagon was fairly slow growing by comparison, when IMO both players are playing pretty scummily. People should be looking into who joined each wagon, when, and why and compare especially those who were on both.

- I'd like to hear from anyone who hasn't posted yet whether or not they think Gheb and Swiss are scum buddies in this game and why. Anyone else can feel free to comment as well but if you haven't posted at all yet, or only posted for the first time within the last 24 hours, you should answer this question.

- Note to everyone: For the most part I will be withholding my town reads so that I don't give anti-town factions a "how to cripple FF's ability to amass strong reads for lylo" guide. Don't expect me to be openly stating "so and so is playing pretty townie" or anything along those lines without a very good reason (such as someone I feel is very playing really townie is about to be lynched or something). I will however obviously be very vocal about who I feel is scum when I strengthen those reads.

So yeah, hopefully I'll be back tonight with some better analysis of DH/smarg wagons and such. Carry on. =D

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Oh and also, which head of Peach Monster tried to pull the "we aren't town aligned we're doc aligned" card on Swiss? I expect a very clear and prompt answer to this.

 

[Praxis]

Oh and also, which head of Peach Monster tried to pull the "we aren't town aligned we're doc aligned" card on Swiss? I expect a very clear and prompt answer to this.

Praxis (me).

Hilt did it in my game in BBR.

T___T

 

[Peach Monster]

Praxis (me).

Hilt did it in my game in BBR.

T___T

Ooooops.

This was me.

 

[Tandora]

Swiss, I posted at like 3 am GMT because that's after dinner EST, where I am. I've had the migraine from hell for the last two days and skimmed, and I could not find the post you were referring to in like 15 minutes of reading the same 120 posts and quit. I'm going to catch up from the beginning and post more, including a response, later today.

Ugh, I hope you feel better. We don't want the mod to have to deal with two replacements together. *hug*

Seriously, I don't want you disappearing like you did in DnD.

- Note to everyone: For the most part I will be withholding my town reads so that I don't give anti-town factions a "how to cripple FF's ability to amass strong reads for lylo" guide. Don't expect me to be openly stating "so and so is playing pretty townie" or anything along those lines without a very good reason (such as someone I feel is very playing really townie is about to be lynched or something). I will however obviously be very vocal about who I feel is scum when I strengthen those reads.

Everyone should play this way. All the time. ALWAYS!

Oh and also, which head of Peach Monster tried to pull the "we aren't town aligned we're doc aligned" card on Swiss? I expect a very clear and prompt answer to this.

I believe it was speculated that it was Praxis pulling that shenanigans.

There should be a question about Gheb and Swiss interactions in my quotes, but I seemed to have lost it. So far I have a null tell. Nothing really caught my eye of same alignment or not.

 

[smargaret]

Okay, I've finished my reread.

Things that make Swiss seem scummy, but keep in mind there's the possibility of confirmation bias: He revives the hydras should post in color discussion, speculates about who would kill FF when it was mod-confirmed that FF's role just meant he died n0 (setting up WIFOM for later in the game), misrepping/twisting words, suggesting a policy lynch on hydras because they're hard to read - coming from someone who played Halo, I find this hard to believe - in short, there's a bunch of scummy stuff Swiss has done.

In response to the question I should have found and answered yesterday: There is a difference between misrepping and saying "Swiss is always scum." Misrepping is I say A and you say that I said B. "Swiss is always scum" is widely known across D-Games - at least, I'd heard of it before I'd played a single game, so I find it hard to believe I'm unfairly biasing new people against you - and what's more, it's your reputation. It's not a misrepresentation in the sense that what you've been up to with PM is.

As far as clearing myself through my logic for why PM is town, that wasn't my intention, but rather stating facts. Honestly, there's nothing I can say to respond to this.

For all that I liked PM's early discussions with Swiss, the doctor aligned/town aligned thing was stupid and a waste of space. But again, it's not something that I can see scum doing. Btw, Swiss, do you have a qt? j/k

Rereading, Tery seems more noob-null than scum. What is your mafia experience, online and IRL?

I do not like DY's play. He's blindly bandwagoning and not doing anything of note; it feels like he's sliding under the radar. IGMEOY. Also, my vote clearly did lead to discussion - at least two pages of it.

Hilt really does RV after RVS is over. It's worth noting that nobody (except Tandora, who seems more concerned with an artificially inflated post count) jumps on him for this. He and Swiss are probably not scum together; Swiss is a strong enough scum player to bus for that. Hilt, I would like to see more content. Also bandwagons.

A note to everyone who is having trouble remembering my gender: My username is sMARGARET. See the female name? Yep.

Swiss had a recent point about not playing to my town meta. Swiss doesn't know what my town meta is; I've never been scum on smashboards so he doesn't know how it differs from my scum play. I can provide links to completed scum games if you'd like, though. Worth noting that Swiss doesn't think meta is a worthwhile argument from past history.

Pythag - Weak cases are all you can get three pages into the actual game. I like you you, also, have yet to really do anything. Note how Pythag has this long post about me/PM/Swiss and yet doesn't take a stance on any of it.

Gheb - the suggestion as he framed it was slightly scummy, maybe a way to help new partners fly under the radar. Nothing he's said since has stuck out at me, except something in his defense of me doesn't quite ring true.

An improvement on the suggestion: A scummy player gets nominated to proxy their vote to FF. We know FF is town and a good scumhunter; giving him a vote would not be a bad thing especially if we take it away from someone scummy. HOWEVER, said scummy person still has to "vote" and post normally, their vote just doesn't count (this can be via FOS or unbolded vote, whatever). I would prefer Pythag's vote to go to FF, but given how many of you see me as scummy, I'd volunteer mine.

I know I'm not answering the question about which players I like, that's deliberate. I don't reveal town reads like that at this point in the game.

Hopefully I caught everything.

Unvote: Swiss
Vote: Pythag

since pressuring Swiss isn't doing anything, and I need Pythag to take a position on something.

 

[Swiss]

K.

Unvote Vote Pythag

Smar be clear about who you think is town. Do NOT 'hide' your town reads because you're worried it'll make them more likely to get NK'd.

 

[smargaret]

I like Tandora and Chuckie, though I need more of their posts to really get a good solid read on them.

 

[Teryble Doom~]

Rereading, Tery seems more noob-null than scum. What is your mafia experience, online and IRL?

I have been playing non-SWF DGamesMafia for a little over two years. Compared to SWF DGames Mafia, the way the Mafia games I played were run and played very differently*. After playing Newbie 10, I've participated in a multitude of AIM Mafia. (I am aware DGames Mafia =/= AIM Mafia) I am still learning, which is why I'm asking questions about some terms I may not have heard or seen used before from Newbie 10.

*What I'm trying to say is that before SWF DGames, the Mafia I've played is very different. I apologize for the Teryble wording.

Unexpected V/LA until my mom decides to less of a stereotypical Asian *****.

 

[Swiss]

@ Chuckie - I was planning to gambit pressure Gheb/paranoia tell from newbies, but he stopped posting and I chose Smar instead. Why you ask me questions like this every game when you know how I play defeats me.

 

[Swiss]

Tery are you worried that the best read anyone has on you is 'null'? Do you think this will become an issue later?

 

[Swiss]

Which leads me to Peach Monster vs Swiss and Smar.
These are the players that I feel have given us the most in terms of talking points.

PM and Swiss are clearly both strong players and personalities. It would be very bad if one (or both!) of you is scum. You both have had strong reactions to each other, which if BOTH of you are mafia, could be seen as you two trying to distance/bus/whatever. I don't think that is the case, I'm merely speculating. As it stands I'm leaning more towards Swiss being more likely of being scum.

If I or PM were to flip scum - would you happily accept the other as town? I'll assume you will because you've said so. If you ever wish to change this belief you will have to explicitly state and explain it (prior to either of us dying).

If I or PM were to flip town, what would this lead you to think of the other? Considering this is statistically the most likely scenario, I find it dissapointing you do not even consider it. Would this be useful for PythagScum? It would. Having 'taken clear stances' on us - yet it is a stance that is rendered useless when one of us flips town - allowing you to then pressure and hopefully lynch the other based on our inevitable personality clash. Two townies dead and no stances breached - nice.

I think there's scum around Smar. If Smar is scum, then badda bing, that's it. But there could also be the possibility that Scum is jumping on Smar trying to get her lynched. I haven't totally finished rereading, (I want to look into Hilt) but as of now, my vote is probably going to fall in that area.

This is an incredibly vague area 'Smar or someone pressuring her'. Why were you able to give 'content' on PM vs Swiss (which takes up a lot of the thread) yet you are unable to give content on Smar, which would have been the most recently read part of the thread.

Also, considering the path town took on Smar was in the balance at the time, you saying this allows you to stall - waiting for others to chose for you, you simply reap the rewards if Smar is lynched. After all, you never 'pushed' her. Very safe, tactical play.

 

[DEHF]

I haven't been reading so I'll probably be caught up by tonight or tomorrow. I just wanna say Dark Yoshi is very scummy, his avatar is wearing a santa hat in the middle of January.

Vote: Dark Yoshi

 

[Swiss]

DY - I think you're town. Vote Pythag, already this day has come down to a your-or-him situation.

 

[DEHF]

Swiss why do you think DY is town? He has "Dark" in his name.

 

[Swiss]

You really don't want to make me want to lynch you, and you're already really close to doing that.

 

[Dark Yoshi]

DEHF, I hope your joking.

Will finish rereai g when I get home.

 

[Chuckie]

@Terrible: what exactly do you think of Swiss atm? Plz be elaborative!
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@Cheesebwoy: omg you just spoke to Death on the internet, spelt DEHF. It's the modern way to say such things now. I think if anyone's going to literally lynch you irl, it's Death, so don't be threatening bahaha!

:InsertSeriousMode: Why did you wait for Smarg's vote to launch an attack on Pythag? That almost looked like a little bubble burst of opportunism energy right there

Also we no understand your question, like the tribal goddess Leela. What exactly defeats ewe? =? And why didn't you answer all my questions btw? Could you elaborate on the quote I mentioned?
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@Hilt: what experience have you had with Swiss that allows you to gauge his personality the way you did in #275? Eye only ask this because I feel his "personality" in this instance is far removed from what I'm normally used to seeing and reading in other games. I found that particular statement odd

I just read the gheb/you exchange and it reads to me as though Gheb hits a sweetspot while you go defensive/edgey and try too hard to justify your position on Smarg that it looks irrational, reminds me of the "caught red handed" face they do in pantomimes when the villain's been called out and they go into turbo defence mode overspeaking and such things

 

[Dark Yoshi]

*shighs* it's pointless continuing....

Me/kirb were playing DA on FF proxies. I figured that, with enough support, noobscum would volunteer for it and BAM! Scum in a bag. Unfortunatley, most people didn't think of this, and were anti FF proxy. My last hope was for DEHF to fall for it (he was the only person who I figured might be tricked by this). However, he did not volunteer, and therefore it's pointless continuing.

Chuckie, this is why we were "treading lightly"

Smar, you said we were bandwagoning, but we've only voted for you. Your response sounds like an OMGUS.

Also, HUGE FoS: DEHF

You come on page 21 (in 15 pp I think) and thenvotemebecause I'm wearing a Santa hat in the middle of January? The only reason I'm not voting you is because I want tonsee if Kib agrees with me

 

[Tandora]

I haven't been reading so I'll probably be caught up by tonight or tomorrow. I just wanna say Dark Yoshi is very scummy, his avatar is wearing a santa hat in the middle of January.

Vote: Dark Yoshi

Swiss why do you think DY is town? He has "Dark" in his name.

Please tell me both of these were intended as RVS comments. PLEASE!

How are these scum tells? If you're joking, why not post real content?

 

[Dark Yoshi]

smar should give us (entire town) her reads before we (DY) change our vote to DEHF. Not feeling a Pythag lynch atm but might consider it if it gets closer to deadline and there's no one better who's close to lynch.