Doctor Who Mafia: Night 1 Begins! Deadline is set for the 31th at 0400.

[DtJ Hilt]

Letting FF have a proxy vote isn't a good idea. He may be confirmed town, but that doesn't mean his reads are better than anyone else's--just more honest. We should listen to his opinions, definitely, and maybe allow them some weight in a tie situation, but there's a reason that people who are "dead" can't vote. The dead should stay dead, honestly.

I liked this paragraph until the end. Last sentence bothers me.

 

[Tandora]

I liked this paragraph until the end. Last sentence bothers me.

Could you clarify why it bothered you?

 

[DtJ Hilt]

I'd be lying if I said it wasn't mostly a vibe. It just seemed umm... unnecessary, tacked, and just didn't sit well with me. There was no reason to say that, all it could have done was reduce credibility from FF into him being seen as "dead". When in all honesty... he kind of isn't. If someone had died, were revealed as tree stump, and at any point in time someone gives the line "the dead should stay dead, honestly", I'd do a double take. However, I'm not accusing Hida of attempting to belittle FF or his opinions. I'm not going to vote him for it or anything, it just left a bad taste in my mouth. Still catching up, though, just wanted to say that before I went on to anything else.

Also <3 Praxis for trying to catch scum through the back door. Knew it was your end of the hydra as soon as you did it XD

 

[smargaret]

DY - I did. Null on everyone not mentioned, mostly because everyone not mentioned hasn't really posted.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

@Hilt: what experience have you had with Swiss that allows you to gauge his personality the way you did in #275? Eye only ask this because I feel his "personality" in this instance is far removed from what I'm normally used to seeing and reading in other games. I found that particular statement odd

I was scum with swiss in Tales of Symphonia (although we didn't last long), we were both in DBZ mafia, and he played Majora's Mask Mafia, which I was modding. Swiss is coming off as town for me, atm. That isn't built off of normal meta of "_____ is acting like he did when he was town/scum in the past!", but more so of me just not finding it a scummy thing for Swiss to do/say. You say it's "far removed" but do you think his play is particularly scummy?

 

[DtJ Hilt]

unvote

While I still feel your case, while expanded, is a bit hollow, the rest of your post was solid. Liking your stance on Pythag, though I'm definitely going to wait to hear more from him before I jump on the wagon. However, I "RV when RVS is over"? Are you referring to a certain game? I don't think I've... ever played with you, so I'm not sure what you mean, lol. And that's not really the truth XD I'm usually really hesitant and self conscious random voting (or voting in general, haha). Or are you saying that my vote on you was a random vote? Because it wasn't. It was just a normal pressure vote. Light pressure, but pressure. But it indirectly worked at least! I got an interesting reaction from Gheb pseudo-defending you. Speaking of which, what did you mean in this part of your post?

Gheb - the suggestion as he framed it was slightly scummy, maybe a way to help new partners fly under the radar. Nothing he's said since has stuck out at me, except something in his defense of me doesn't quite ring true.

Elaborating and breaking it down would be good. I mostly just didn't know exactly if you were speaking to or about gheb or what you're referring to as "the suggestion".

Question, Pythag. The first post you quoted was directed at me. You quoted it with a "This". Does this imply that you "this-ing" that post was directed at me as well? Because you later said that you were going to need to read on a group of players that included me. So did you... just see the post, like what it said, and quote it? Or were you agreeing with Gheb on what he thought that I should do?

That'll probably be it for me for the night. So tired. Should be home for the entirety of tomorrow afternoon.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

- I find it interesting the the Dark Horse wagon is taking off really quickly while the smargwagon was fairly slow growing by comparison, when IMO both players are playing pretty scummily. People should be looking into who joined each wagon, when, and why and compare especially those who were on both.

Will be a pain to do on later days unless mod posts more vote counts.

Request Votecount

Gheb - the suggestion as he framed it was slightly scummy, maybe a way to help new partners fly under the radar.

No. No. No.

They can only fly under the radar if we let them. I don't know how many more times I have to say this but proxying your vote to Frozen doesn't make you unaccountable for anything. It's still your vote and your responsibility and if town let's it slide then it's also the town's fault. It's not like they can't do anything about it, seriously.

DY - I think you're town. Vote Pythag, already this day has come down to a your-or-him situation.

Bull****.

smar should give us (entire town) her reads before we (DY) change our vote to DEHF. Not feeling a Pythag lynch atm but might consider it if it gets closer to deadline and there's no one better who's close to lynch.

Obvious scumpost is obvious.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Request prod @July & Riddler

 

[Swiss]

Why does everyone think I was in DBZ? Did scum win?

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Elaborating and breaking it down would be good. I mostly just didn't know exactly if you were speaking to or about gheb or what you're referring to as "the suggestion".

Nevermind this actually, lol. After sleeping and rereading what you (and now gheb) said, I realize how tired I was last night. I don't particularly think that Gheb suggesting his idea was scummy, though. I just don't want to go along with it. But I can understand the knee jerk reaction to it.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Man, Swiss what game were we in then bro?

 

[Swiss]

Man, Swiss what game were we in then bro?

I don't know. But it wasn't DBZ.


What do you think of Gheb? Will you vote Pythag with me? What do you think of DY's push on Smar?

 

[Dark Yoshi]

Gheb, you'll have to say more than "obv scumpost is obv" if you want to convince people

 

[Swiss]

DY do me a favour and respond to it anyway. We have to convince him you're town/

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Sorry I don't feel like writing a whole essay on the most obvious of scumtells.

 

[The Pink Sasquatch]

Dunno where the hell the pink half is

Why did you ask us this? Also no, not unless you have substantial reasoning that wii agree with

Partly to see whether Swiss would make a comment on our intelligence level, but partly because I genuinely think I'm capable of reading Swiss the majority of the time. At the moment he is town because he is fine in letting FF being the one who decides on the lynch if a NL threatens, normally I would consider this null because Swiss could kill off FF before it becomes important, but in this case FF can't be killed and I'm confident that Swiss knows FF can probably read him. Swiss is also town because he hasn't taken the time out to insult me yet, inevitably he will over the course of the game. You're also almost certainly better at reading other players so if I can convince you Swiss is town early on then you're not wasted trying to figure him out.

@FF: Gheb and Swiss are probably not scumbuddies based on the fact I have a town read on Swiss. I'm completely open to the idea of Ghebscum though

Did I already say I think hilt is town?

@Teryble: You should be able to post something without waiting for your name to be mentioned first

#327 gheb calls bull**** when Swiss was lying to DY to scare him, why ruin this? I don't get normal vibes I'd get from towngheb

@Gheb: Do you think Swiss is scum?

 

[Chuckie]

Look, Swiss, wii're going ginger because of you! Navigate this website for 5 minutes: http://www.dokimos.org/ajff/

Can you plz answer the question we asked you as to what you meant specifically by that quote regarding Frozen's death? Also the other ones wii asked. One Nineteenth of the reason wii end up going back and forth for so long is because of your inability to answer our questions!

(Also the Androids won DBZ! )
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Also eye expect Death, spelt DEHF , to come in at some point and give us actual content (or we'll rev our gold-plated toy tractor and chase him around bahaha)! In light of this: @Dark Yoshi did you truly believe his posts to be serious? Why were his actions hugely suspicious to you? How do you view his actions relative to what everyone else has done? And how are you viewing Pythag currently?

One other thing, what is this DA business about? Are you implying that you're not necessarily for the idea now? How does this explain you treading lightly in the post that wii referenced? What do you make of Smar the fact she nominated another player, but also nominated herself to be part of the proxy idea? BAM! Did you catch a scummie?!!
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Eye think Pythag's been relatively pleasant this game in the posts that I've read. I don't know if I would support a Pythag wagon over, say, a Dark Yoshi one at this stage because a) WII HATE THE LURKERS PLZ START EXPLODING (which is completely irrelevant) and a-2) currently I feel Swiss' assertions are quite assumptive and that eye kinda agreed with Pythag's analysis and the statement that Hilt needed some looking into at the time he made his posts. Though Monster/Swisscheese busing idea is something wii think is unlikely.
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@Tanny-anny: What was the purpose of your #319? Wii find this particularly odd to the Chuckookoo brain for the sheer fact that wearing a santa hat is not a scum tell. Leela not fond of post. Chuckie channel essense of Leela.
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@Hilt: That's fine! I thought you hadn't played with Swiss before. I also agree that he's looking quite Town. And he was never in DBZ. Also it's strange because wii felt similarly to Hida's statement "The dead should stay dead" as it reads as if there's a light bitterness at the fact Frozen is a living dead confirmed townie. How are you currently viewing Pythag btw? And what in particular did you like about Smar's reasoning on Pythag?

 

[Chuckie]

Omg ninjaaa! ~DIEEE

 

[Dark Yoshi]

Swiss, there's nothing I can really respond to when he says "obv scumpost is obv"

Now that smart's given reads on everyone, Vote DEHF

@pink though that does give off bad vibes, it would have to mean Gheb and me would have to be scum, which really isn't true.

 

[Dark Yoshi]

@chuckie I didn't, but rving on page 23 is odd and the fact that he rv'd the bandwagon also puts him on my scumdar. His actions are almost meaningless vom

Got a slight suspicion of pythag, such as his wishy-washy pm-Swiss post.

We were never for FF proxies. It's why we were treading lightly: we wanted o show support without facing the problem if the proxies failed miserably.

 

[Dark Yoshi]

Darn you, I hadn't finished yet

DEHF's actions have been almost meaningless compared to
Other people.

Gimme a second to find smar's post...

 

[Chuckie]

In all fairness I think Chuckie's posts are getting too tricky to read. Time to tone it down with some coffee.

@Pink Panther: Why are you open to the idea of Ghebscum?

Also I think you had good intentions there trying to be resourceful with players' reads but I think this is the wrong approach. Instead, let's spend both our efforts analysing Swiss, and everyone, and share our information. Double the power means double the efficiency

Kill kill Dark Yoshi!

 

[Dark Yoshi]

So I respond to your points and then you go "Kill kill DY"?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

The amount of doors and options DY keeps himself open in EACH post is ridiculous. And conveniently it always goes along with what the majority wants.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

#327 gheb calls bull**** when Swiss was lying to DY to scare him, why ruin this? I don't get normal vibes I'd get from towngheb

@Gheb: Do you think Swiss is scum?

1.) Which games did you play with TownGheb?
2.) At the moment I don't have a reason to.

 

[The Pink Sasquatch]

When I think of town posts from Gheb I think on point posts talking about whats happening right now. The idea of him refusing to explain a scumtell because its so obvious is not the town gheb I'd expect to see, in fact in community there was a case just like this where gheb said it was unusual that absolutely no-one was against the Roxy lynch, Gboy didn't understand and Gheb was amazed but still walked him through the thought process of no-one was defending him -> implies he has no buddies -> implies he is town. Things like this:

I certainly didn't ask for yours.

Also don't remind me of helpful town gheb, but instead nasty scum gheb.

More stuff: The idea of gheb requesting a prod is unusual to me, I'd expect him to just deal with what is on the table at the moment - especially when its within 15 mins of being exactly 48 hours since the start of the Day, as though he was waiting for the opportunity to ask for the prod. I don't like the answer of just saying 'meta, blargh' but thats essentially what quite a lot of it just comes down to

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Pretty sure I'm talking about what's happening right now.

Community was a small games and a lot of the players were newbies [at that time]. And you can actually compare the Roxy situation of that game with the smarg debate we had toDay and see that there are clear parallels. I was also pretty nasty in Community when it came to lynching Swords.

Furthermore I lived only 1 day in Community and in the 4 games that followed I had exclusively anti-town roles.

 

[Swiss]

Gheb, what are the parallels?

 

[Dark Yoshi]

Gheb, so you say we always go with the majority...

You better have stuff to back it up, as I can already think of examples of where we haven't.

Claiming that we leave lots of doors is baseless unless you have things backing it up.

 

[Tandora]

@Tanny-anny: What was the purpose of your #319? Wii find this particularly odd to the Chuckookoo brain for the sheer fact that wearing a santa hat is not a scum tell. Leela not fond of post. Chuckie channel essense of Leela.

Sigh, I was raging over his posts. Two posts in a row that were basically fluff. I don't think wearing a santa hat is a scumtell either, but I don't know DEHF well enough to say "Oh, he's obviously joking" or "omg, really?" I've seen dumber reasons sincerely given before. =/

In all fairness I think Chuckie's posts are getting too tricky to read. Time to tone it down with some coffee.

@Pink Panther: Why are you open to the idea of Ghebscum?

Also I think you had good intentions there trying to be resourceful with players' reads but I think this is the wrong approach. Instead, let's spend both our efforts analysing Swiss, and everyone, and share our information. Double the power means double the efficiency

Kill kill Dark Yoshi!

Wait, you want everyone to analysis Swss, but vote DY? Wouldn't it be more efficient to focus on one at a time?

 

[hidajiremi]

I clearly demonstrated no knowledge of this by telling you not to be pedantic and telling you to 'keep your ace up your sleeve'.

But how can you be telling Peach Monster to keep an ace up their sleeve, when Dark Yoshi is clearly Ace?

 

[Swiss]

Chuckie I'm going to ignore most of your questions. Because I know you know I know you know how and why I play.

Hida - content me up baby.

 

[hidajiremi]

There was no reason to say that, all it could have done was reduce credibility from FF into him being seen as "dead". When in all honesty... he kind of isn't. If someone had died, were revealed as tree stump, and at any point in time someone gives the line "the dead should stay dead, honestly", I'd do a double take. However, I'm not accusing Hida of attempting to belittle FF or his opinions.

All I'm trying to say is that the passing of life comes in time to all. No one gets to live--to have their voice heard--forever. A final song gets sung for everyone eventually. Just a little flavor there.

And really, proxy voting is a bad idea. Even Dark Yoshi now says that he was just trolling for scum, so the originator of the idea now says it's not a good one. Therefore, I think I was right in going up against it. My opposition to Peach Monster was mostly grounded in a dislike of big hydras, in lieu of any other solid reads. Now, I have a much stronger sense of who's doing what, and my suspicions are strongly toward smargaret and Pythag, though Dark Yoshi's rapid-fire changes of his stated opinions over the last couple of pages are troubling.

My stance right now is that Pythag makes weak cases and then doesn't show support for any of them through voting. I don't know enough about the local environment to call that a scum tell for certain, but my IRL mafia experience tells me that blame-spreading without a vote is fishy at best.

Unvote
Vote Pythag

 

[Teryble Doom~]

Hello! This is Joey, and I'm so sorry about being late into the game.

- I'd like to hear from anyone who hasn't posted yet whether or not they think Gheb and Swiss are scum buddies in this game and why. Anyone else can feel free to comment as well but if you haven't posted at all yet, or only posted for the first time within the last 24 hours, you should answer this question.

I don't think Swiss is scum, so no.

I don't like the way that Dark Yoshi is playing. The way that even though FF said that he didn't want anyone to proxy him or anything like that, Dark Yoshi was still trying to convince people the newer people to proxy. You're going completely against the only townie tell we have?

I didn't like Swiss' post about trying to focus on whoever killed FF early on, since it was his own role that did that.

Even though I disagree with her views, I like the way she's trying to tell town who she thinks is scummy.

I think I honestly skipped over the reasons why people find Pythag suspicious, since I don't see him as suspicious at all. I'm going to re-read later and see whats going on.

Monster, I believe swiss normally plays like this as town based on what I've been told about him over aim and such. I'm going to have to trust that until I re-read over a game he's been town in.

FoS: Dark Yoshi. I'm not voting until after I talk to Tery about it (unless he doesn't get back from his V/LA anytime soon.

 

[Dark Yoshi]

Wow dooms...

We were against proxies from the start.

 

[Dark Yoshi]

Hida, we weren't trolling. We were laying a really darn clever trap for scum.

 

[Teryble Doom~]

You're still playing bad. Lying to the town to "trick noobscum" is a very bad way to play. I don't care what you have to say to this, I don't care if you were trolling or tricking scum(which is probably you), I care that you're playing bad, scummy, and that you're lying to the town, and you should be lynched for that.

 

[Dark Yoshi]

And how is it "Really bad"? You didn't explain this.

 

[Teryble Doom~]

Because you're lying to town. That's ALWAYS bad and scummy. Tell me how lying about your opinions to the town is ever ever a town tell?

 

[Dark Yoshi]

@everyone what are your thoughts at the lynch all liars approach dooms is suggesting?