Doctor Who Mafia: Night 1 Begins! Deadline is set for the 31th at 0400.

[Dark Yoshi]

@Tery

Doc claiming he's a vt to prevent himself from being killed.
Lying to trap scum

2 off the top of my head

 

[Teryble Doom~]

No and No. If a Doctor claims VT, then we end up lynching the "VT" and lose our doctor. Lying to trap scum is very bad because when does it work? How do you know it's going to attract only scum? Theres so many flaws in lying to trap scum, and it's giving false opinions that you have, which makes us read you completely differently.

Please don't call me Tery by the way. Dark Green Font is Dooms, not Tery. It'll make things confusing.

If anyone wants to refer to both of us, please call us Teryble. It's longer, but it prevents confusion between the two of us. Thank you~!

 

[Peach Monster]

@everyone what are your thoughts at the lynch all liars approach dooms is suggesting?

Lynch All Liars is one of the few policy lynches I support, for very solid reasons. There's very, very, very few situations where lying as town ever helps.

Your "doc claims VT" only would work if the doc had been cop cleared and publically announced to be such AND there was an open setup meaning there could be no godfather/naive cop.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Votecount 3


Dark Yoshi [4] - Gheb_01, Chuckie, The Pink Sasquatch, DEHF
Smargaret [2] - Swiss, Dark Yoshi
Swiss [1] - Peach Monster
Pythag [1] - Smargaret

The Pink Sasquatch [0] -
Hilt [0] -
DEHF [0] -
Tandora [0] -
Peach Monster [0] -
Hidajiremi [0] -
Gheb_01 [0] -
July [0] -
Chuckie [0] -
Teryble Doom~ [0] -
Kuzmaru [0]-
Dr. Riddler [0] -
rPSI [0] -

Not Voting[14] - Tandora, Hilt, DEHF, Hidajiremi, July, Teryble Doom~, Kuzmaru, Dr. Riddler, rPSI, Pythag

With 17 Companions alive it take 8 to lynch.


Note: There were improperly formatted votes, they were ignored.

 

[hidajiremi]

@everyone what are your thoughts at the lynch all liars approach dooms is suggesting?

There are occasionally good reasons to lie--like hiding your role from scum so you don't get lynched and cost the town access to a valuable resource. Any other reason to lie is middling at best, since every lie muddies the waters and makes it more difficult to be willing to trust someone down the road. And "trick noobscum" isn't particularly clever--it's gambling, both on scum being played by noobs, and that non-scum noobs won't fall for it too. It's not even a Xanatos Gambit, it's poorly-planned Xanatos Roulette.

 

[hidajiremi]

Note: There were improperly formatted votes, they were ignored.

I voted, and I'm pretty sure my vote was properly formatted. Just to make sure, though:

Vote: Pythag

 

[Teryble Doom~]

Parts of posts with no color = us both agree'ing

We will

Vote: Dark Yoshi

based on the Lynch All Liars aspect, and based on that with your lying you went against the only confirmed townie we have.

I'd suggest applying more pressure to inactives if we haven't already. Dr. Riddler, is just an example. He has not posted a single time since we've begun. What's up with that?

Has RPSI been replaced? He asked for one earlier, so.....

 

[Swiss]

@ Mod my vote is on Pythag

K.

Unvote Vote Pythag

Smar be clear about who you think is town. Do NOT 'hide' your town reads because you're worried it'll make them more likely to get NK'd.

 

[Swiss]

Vote: Pythag if the colon matters

 

[adumbrodeus]

Yes, it does.

 

[Chuckie]

Parts of posts with no color = us both agree'ing

We will

Vote: Dark Yoshi

based on the Lynch All Liars aspect, and based on that with your lying you went against the only confirmed townie we have.

I'd suggest applying more pressure to inactives if we haven't already. Dr. Riddler, is just an example. He has not posted a single time since we've begun. What's up with that?

Has RPSI been replaced? He asked for one earlier, so.....

So what does yellow think about the green, and vice versa?

Also can you remind Chuckie, tribal queen of queens, aka Leela, in what way you felt Dark Yoshi went against Frozen, and why this is scummy to you? Muchas thnx!

Wait, you want everyone to analysis Swss, but vote DY? Wouldn't it be more efficient to focus on one at a time?

Nuuuuu wii meant "let's analyse Swiss and everyone" as opposed to "let's get everyone to analyse Swiss".

I hope people have noticed that we're extending our smiley set :facebook:
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Hida has unveiled himself to be a MYSTERY! Tanny must come in and comment on this as she is married to him =D Translation: Can Tanny plz give her analysis on Hida atm, specifically his latest posts where he couldn't feel any more generically safe in his reads if he tried.

I don't understand where Pythag has made a weak case... am I missing something? Tick [YES] for yes! If [NO], this feels to me like momentum is being forcefully added which leads us to believe scum are potentially joining this wagon and we no like, like tribal goddess Leela.

This whole situation could be better analysed if only Pythag were actually in the fray as opposed to non-existent! Wii want him to be here! Also wii kinda need Frozen to come back! *rings bell for the ghost*
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Concerning Dark Yoshi's vote on DEHF: it looked hasty as he mentioned during his entrance to the game that he would read up [and post content]. Curiously, why didn't you wait for this? I found the huge FOS statement misplaced because were his actions huge enough relative to everything else that has happened in the game? It felt to Chuckie like you were inflating a weak suspicion there into something unnecessarily larger!
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@Gheb: What's your current take on Hilt and his unvote on smar despite finding her still scummy and his subtle shift in focus to Pythag?
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@Pink Sasquatch: What makes you think Hilt is Town? And with that in mind what do you think of Smar/Monster's push on Swiss/Hilt vs Gheb? Concerning the latter, how do you view Gheb's intentions here?

Chuckie I'm going to ignore most of your questions. Because I know you know I know you know how and why I play.

Wii like you so far, Swissroll

 

[Teryble Doom~]

Has RPSI been replaced? He asked for one earlier, so.....

Adumbrodeus?

 

[Chuckie]

Oooo hello! Could you answer our question plz.

 

[Teryble Doom~]

So what does yellow think about the green, and vice versa?

If we tend to disagree on something, we wouldn't post it, lol. Comments in color are just to differentiate between the two members of the hydra. We generally agree on everything we post about, it's just sometimes one of us believes in something more strongly (such as myself on inactives) so we thought it would be fair to note that a certain member has placed more emphasis than the other.

I will clarify that if it doesn't make sense. I'm not good with wording things in English.

 

[Chuckie]

Neither am I

Did you write the post I quoted?

 

[Dooms]

Me and Tery talk things over often, but sometimes one of us believes in things more than another, so that's when we both used colors. The way that Dark Yoshi went against FF who said he didn't want anyone to proxy him (even if Dark Yoshi was trolling when doing so) was going against our only confirmed townie.

 

[Tandora]

I also agree with LAL, BUT I have seen it work before. I have seen Mayling in an AIB game lie her butt off as town to get town to agree with her because sometimes the truth just isn't convincing.

We've seen where DH lied in FF6 and it ultimately screwed town. This is not an example of why we should be deceitful, but rather it establishes that half of that hydra is able and willing to lie, lie a lot, and keep lying until well after he should have come clear.

DH falls under pro-town to lynch regardless of actually alignment. The question is do we want to risk lynching dumb instead of scum?

 

[Tandora]

Hida has unveiled himself to be a MYSTERY! Tanny must come in and comment on this as she is married to him =D Translation: Can Tanny plz give her analysis on Hida atm, specifically his latest posts where he couldn't feel any more generically safe in his reads if he tried.

He's only played 1.5 games before this, Newbie 6 (dropped) and Mayfia (died early). Both games he was town, so I haven't seen a scum play from him yet.

So far his posts and frequency fit what I had expected before game start. Really, I"ll only be able to get a good read from him if a wagon forms and I see his out of game moodiness. Which is really against the spirit of the game.

tl:dr - Leaning town read

 

[Teryble Doom~]

Me and Tery talk things over often, but sometimes one of us believes in things more than another, so that's when we both used colors. The way that Dark Yoshi went against FF who said he didn't want anyone to proxy him (even if Dark Yoshi was trolling when doing so) was going against our only confirmed townie.

Screw up #1 hehe.... :/

 

[Chuckie]

@Joey: Okay that's cool =D In my vacuous mind, I sort of think that if you believe a situation moreso than Tery, I find that could imply Tery might have other thoughts blocking him from believing it as much as you, i.e. something that is holding him back, which would explain why he doesn't believe it as much as you, and this would have been something that you discussed together. This made partial sense in the Chuckie brain, excuse us. What do you [Joey] think of Tery's statement on Dr.Riddler? And what does Tery think of your stance on Dark Yoshi? Importantly, what is stopping both of you from believing as much as the other?

 

[Teryble Doom~]

Tery has a pet peeve for getting information out of inactives. I normally don't agree with it, but I still think Dr.Riddler is a target because of his very very low post count. I myself have a pet peeve with buddying. I just don't like buddying in mafia.

Also, while it's believing, it's also our priorities. We're trying to go with our pet peeve's a bit I guess.

 

[Dark Yoshi]

Tan, don't try to use my lie in FF6 as proof for how lies can ruin games.

1. That lie was an accident, this one isn't.

2. That lie cleared people, this lie traps scum. They're not going to have the same effect

 

[Teryble Doom~]

You still lied, and LAL is still in effect. :/

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Bah, too much to sift through and catch up on right now. Will do so tonight or tomorrow. It's still somewhat early in the evening. Did a quick CTRL+F name search, though, just to see if there was anything I could quick-respond to.

@Gheb: What's your current take on Hilt and his unvote on smar despite finding her still scummy and his subtle shift in focus to Pythag?

This is false. Please reread. I don't find Smargaret scummier than a large majority of the players. In other words, I don't, really. This was short and I was able to throw something together fast as a reply. The rest will have to wait but should still be responded to today.

 

[Dark Yoshi]

Lynch all liars is a terrible strategy, as demonstrated here, where you're trying to lynch me because I lied to set up a trap for scum.

It only makes it worse that you call LAL after I lie

 

[DEHF]

I'm pretty much caught up at this point, I can't believe some of you guys took my vote so seriously.

DY I find it suspicious that you'd drop a vote on me after I voted for you saying that I hadn't been reading at all. You're reasoning for voting for me wasn't really justified either since I said I would be caught up soon. It's kinda funny because I was just dropping a vote randomly until I was caught up, but you're actions have been pretty scummy to me atm.

Lying is bad, even if you're doing to try to catch scum. It's probably not going to work and it makes town think you're scum.

@Hilt who do you think is the most likely to be scum atm?

 

[Dark Yoshi]

And how is lying bad if you're trying to catch scum?

Iirc, you never made any post that said "going to cath up". Even if you did, the fact that you dropped a vote in the middle of the game still screams scum to me.

 

[DEHF]

And how is lying bad if you're trying to catch scum?

Iirc, you never made any post that said "going to cath up". Even if you did, the fact that you dropped a vote in the middle of the game still screams scum to me.

Because town doesn't have to lie Scum do, even if you're not scum it makes it seem like you are by doing so.

I said I was going to catch up in the first sentence of post #312 .

Why is dropping a vote on someone scummy? Especially when you know that there's no way that person would be lynched anytime soon, unless they made a huge slip revealing themselves as scum.

 

[Dark Yoshi]

It's scummy because you made no attempt at analysis or finding actual scumtells. And your vote (coincidentally or not) was on the biggest bandwagon at the time. You basically RVS'd 10+ pages after RVS was over.

 

[Xiivi]

July & Dr. Riddler are prodded.

 

[Peach Monster]

I have a much more town read on DEHF than on you at the moment, Dark Yoshi.

It only makes it worse that you call LAL after I lie

What is this I don't even

Why would we call LAL before you lied? If I could lynch liars before they lied I'd have some mad good precognition going on.


There are so absurdly few situations where lying is good as town that you shouldn't ever attempt to do it until you've got at least ten games under your belt for experience and the situation is very abnormal.


As DEHF said, scum have to lie. Town do not. By letting town lie, you remove a key method of catching scum. If we say "lynch all liars", then anyone who is caught in a lie has to be scum. If townies start lying, and we accept that, then scum can claim to have been lying to help town when caught in a lie.

I'm usually fine with townies refusing to claim or refusing to give further information on a topic, and unless they're on the chopping block, usually consider it a scumtell if someone keeps pressing them. But a townie shouldn't lie. A power role shouldn't claim to be a VT, and VT's claiming VT is bad for town too (they shouldn't claim unless on the lynching block).


Note: this is Praxis, I'm a lot more active Tuesday-Saturday, not sure where the other heads are.

 

[Kuzmaru]

I'm for LAL.

Also, before I have thought claiming as a VT as a powerrole, but then I realized claiming vt as a pr wouldn't help anyways. (Cuz I'd get killed at nite anyways at that time)

But yeah, lying as town is very risky. If town lies because they think it will catch scum, and fails... That nets a big punishment, and doesn't help town at all.

 

[smargaret]

Lying is scummy, but I can't see why scum-DY would bring up the fact that he lied. I don't recall it being a major factor in the case against him, and it didn't catch anyone, so why say anything now? Thus, while lying is scummy and anti-town, I think in this case it's just poor town play.

 

[Xiivi]

July has requested replacement.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Nabe replaces rPSI

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I lie as town all the time, so LAL has never sat well with me. Like Tanny said with the example about Mayling, sometimes the truth isn't as believable as it needs to be to convince people of the right thing. If people lie then you should take their claimed motive and potential other motives into account.

Content tomorrow.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Need to think more about DY's "trap". Will chime in more about it later.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@Gheb: What's your current take on Hilt and his unvote on smar despite finding her still scummy and his subtle shift in focus to Pythag?

My FoS was enough to make him unvote, which makes me think that his stance was really weak to begin with. Pretty suspect imo. Hilt's currently my #2 suspect after Dark Yoshiscum.

 

[Swiss]

If we LAL you'll spend the entire game trying to lynch me.

 

[Tandora]

Tan, don't try to use my lie in FF6 as proof for how lies can ruin games.

1. That lie was an accident, this one isn't.

2. That lie cleared people, this lie traps scum. They're not going to have the same effect

That example was to mostly prove you town, nub.

Clearly, it didn't clear enough people or the wrong people since scum won hands down that game.