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Q&A Doc General Discussion: Ask and ye shall receive ft. otg and Shroomed!

Zwei Striker

Zwei Striker

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So, watching the board, it looks like this is the social thread. I'm here because I started playing melee this week for good, and I'm maining roy with the doc as my secondary.Just letting you guys know I'll be around. See ya
 
Zwei Striker

Zwei Striker

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So... I have a lot of trouble killing with the doc unless it's by using the cape or crouch cancelling > dsmash. Is there any reliable way to get kills outside of that?
 
Max?

Max?

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Throw -> fair on 96% of the cast. Bair. Fsmash. Ftilt is good for knocking people offstage, and if they get hit by it without a double jump they are probably dead
 
Max?

Max?

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Uthrow on Fox/Falco/Falcon from around 90-120ish
Dthrow on the rest of the cast, and spacies after 120%
 
Frisbie

Frisbie

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never underestimate how strong doc's backthrow is. it can easily be a kill move if used right. and if it doesnt kill, then you have an edgeguard assuming theyre off the stage. also look for gimping opprotunities, as doc has great gimping tools

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Gea

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It only kills if they are long overdue on yoshi's or they have some seriously bad DI because of the windup. Still, if it gets them offstage it is probably worth it.
 
VGmasta

VGmasta

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Bing said:
So for the jiggs MU... you throw lots of pills to control space. Lots of nairs and D-smash?

And Kobe to be a badass...
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Only do deceptive n-airs. Doc's nairs are beaten pretty easily by Jiggs b-air.

The f-airs (or Kobe or whatever you wanna call it) need to be deceptive as well. The f-air has a decent hitbox, but with relatively awful start up.
 
Shroomed

Shroomed

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VGMasta, find a guy named countdrakula (in league) in your area that plays league of legends. I just played a game with him where my malphite ***** irelia top lane. He doesn't believe I'm shroomed but he knows you somehow. Show him this post LOOOL.
 
Frisbie

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one thing you can do to get your own bairs to cover more ground is to wavedash and immediately jump and bair in the direction that you wavedashed in. this makes it easier to space against jiggs. watch shroomed use bairs vs hbox in apex 2012 if you dont know what im talking about. full hop nairs are good too, if you go above where you think they are going to go and let the hitbox stay out for a while
 
Vyke

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Shroomed said:
VGMasta, find a guy named countdrakula (in league) in your area that plays league of legends. I just played a game with him where my malphite ***** irelia top lane. He doesn't believe I'm shroomed but he knows you somehow. Show him this post LOOOL.
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Why don't you post in the League thread, yo? Even LOVAGE posts in the league thread

and he doesn't dunk nearly as much
 
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ChillPill

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Shroomed said:
VGMasta, find a guy named countdrakula (in league) in your area that plays league of legends. I just played a game with him where my malphite ***** irelia top lane. He doesn't believe I'm shroomed but he knows you somehow. Show him this post LOOOL.
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Whats your LoL name bro?
Ill play /w ya if your up for it.
 
onionchowder

onionchowder

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I have trouble landing Dthrow->Fair when people DI behind me. Is turnaround-Fair fast enough? Also, tips for landing kills/edgeguards on Peach? I have a hard time comboing into Fair, cc-Dsmashes are risky, and Bair gimps don't come as easily.
 
Max?

Max?

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onionchowder said:
I have trouble landing Dthrow->Fair when people DI behind me. Is turnaround-Fair fast enough? Also, tips for landing kills/edgeguards on Peach? I have a hard time comboing into Fair, cc-Dsmashes are risky, and Bair gimps don't come as easily.
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Try the following.

-If they hard DI behind you, a quick dash input in the opposite direction, followed by an immediate full hop fair should connect.
- Slight DI behind, you can turn around and then FH fair,
- Or you can dash forward and DD back into a FH fair. These methods are particularly good on platforms for when they DI behind and you don't have a lot of room for a running start.

Who are you having a hard time connecting throw -> fair on?

Be patient vs. Peach. If you try to fight her heads up, she will win since she benefits way more from trades. Platform camp, throw lots of pills and safe pokes (ftilts/utilts/bairs/uairs) and DO NOT overcommit unless you wanna eat a nair.
 
Max?

Max?

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Hmm makes sense. The window is pretty tight but it's def a solid option. Seems like you might get ***** for it if you do it at too low of a % tho cause she can just nair you out of your lag.
 
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