Q&A Doc General Discussion: Ask and ye shall receive ft. otg and Shroomed!

[Strong Badam]

sheik doesn't really tech chase with dashdance, she does it with wavedashes or fox trots then a followup.

 

[ranmaru]

nair usmash utilt are some of my most used moves

Well it seems I use dsmash punch dair ftilt fsmash and uair more lol.

I just try to stop nairing against marth ALOT, I have to balance it out and stuffs.

 

[KirbyKaze]

sheik doesn't really tech chase with dashdance, she does it with wavedashes or fox trots then a followup.

that's dumb, you only need to walk

 

[otg]

I think I use Bair utilt and uair the most. shoutout to dsmash (thanks yedi for showing me the light).

 

[St. Viers]

Overall, I use n-air, pill, and b-air the most. I've started using u-air and f-tilt more as well...

Full jump rising n-air is imo incredibly useful.

 

[VGmasta]

I think I use Bair utilt and uair the most.

Good!

Overall, I use n-air, pill, and b-air the most. I've started using u-air and f-tilt more as well...

Full jump rising n-air is imo incredibly useful.

Nice, full jump n-air ***** too!

VGMASTA'S MOVESET
Mosted often utilized moves:
n-air, spaced cape, b-air, pills, up-air, jab, dsmash

Moderately used:
d-air (FH), f-air, f-tilt, Up-B (OoS), uptilt, f-smash, upsmash

Seldom use:
d-tilt

No use:
down-B (unless I'm stalling on recovery)

 

[otg]

I nair pretty sparingly. For awhile I didn't use it at all because I would get CC *****, but then I started using it more as a moving anti-air and found some more practical uses for it.

I think Ftilt is a pretty amazing move, tho it won't ever be as good as Luigi's because his WD isn't nearly as janky. I also jab a ****load now that I think about it. I should throw more pills.

Oh, and all of you should stop using Dair. You'll probably start winning more.

 

[Lordydennek]

docs dair sux. compared to marios anyway. btw I cant play doc worth a **** but my mario is effin great...wtf. is it like that for anyone else?

 

[ranmaru]

Nah it's the same for me. It's just that you have to know their differences... Like if I went to mario I could just space fsmash better, or follow up a bit better

 

[otg]

Mario's dair is bad for the same reasons as Doc's.

 

[ranmaru]

Also, I love jab>dsmash. Also I realized that sometimes another doc can ... well it's like this.

DOC DITTO

I jab> HE DSMASHES ADLFKJDASKL:FJDS:KLFJDSLK:FJ

So I have tried to implement jab > NOTHING > run away and come back : ]

 

[otg]

or just dsmash immediately instead of jabbing first?

 

[ranmaru]

lol true. You should come to my philly tourny when I host it : D

 

[VGmasta]

docs dair sux. compared to marios anyway.

Doc's d-air is better than Mario's d-air.
Doc's d-air gives off about 6% more damage than Mario's d-air. (Assuming all the hits connect)
And OTG, why you sleeping on Doc's d-air? It's freakin' good, lol.

 

[ranmaru]

I like dair for combo follow up (I think it would be faster to jump and dair than wait for uptilt.. maybe lol)

 

[otg]

lol true. You should come to my philly tourny when I host it : D

We'll see, thats kind of a commitment. Maybe I can convince mogwai to drive since he's chill with some of the heads around there.

Doc's d-air is better than Mario's d-air.
Doc's d-air gives off about 6% more damage than Mario's d-air. (Assuming all the hits connect)
And OTG, why you sleeping on Doc's d-air? It's freakin' good, lol.

Idk, I just always get ***** for it, so I stopped using it and did way better? Scorp never uses dair either, and it's apparently "way better" with Mario for some reason.

 

[VGmasta]

Guess who might be officially pickin' melee back up. As soon as I brush the rust off of my stethoscope, I'll be **** again.

BTW, might go to a actual tournament today, wish me luck guys. GO DOC!!

 

[ranmaru]

Guess who might be officially pickin' melee back up. As soon as I brush the rust off of my stethoscope, I'll be **** again.

BTW, might go to a actual tournament today, wish me luck guys. GO DOC!!

Yeah son, rep that doc!

We'll see, thats kind of a commitment. Maybe I can convince mogwai to drive since he's chill with some of the heads around there.



Idk, I just always get ***** for it, so I stopped using it and did way better? Scorp never uses dair either, and it's apparently "way better" with Mario for some reason.

Well it would be cool to have you, Mogwai and other guys over. : D But yeah no pressure, once in a while would be cool lol. Although I know I have been to No johns like once, but thats cuz ultima gave me a ride. : ]

Also, maybe you SHOULD try using dair again. I mean, just because you were using it and getting ***** doesn't mean you CAN'T use it.

I mean if you approached with nair alot against marth, he'd shut you down. (That's what I do) So now I nair less... Oops, that's not good. I have to nair, but NOT in that situation, you get me?

 

[otg]

I don't really nair much either because it's horrible for approaching. I use dair in certain situations, but in reality I do NOT think it should be one of his more used moves unless you're playing with people who have no patience.

 

[Lordydennek]

whoa whoa. Marios dair is like sooo much better. more priority and throws out that wicked hitbox at the end. you can hold ppl in it the uair or fsmash. better pressure and can go thru almost any move ever. doc can get hit out of it a lot.

 

[VGmasta]

The tournament (WATO 12) went ok for me this time. Wasn't all that nervous this time (But I was still a little nervous though, lol). Didn't accomplish anything special though. Just had fun....

 

[Zatchiel]

If i ever play this game as much as i should, i'm going to try to start with the Doc. Anybody got any pointers to give? Kinda new, but i love his Nair to death.

 

[TemPesT-]

1st pointer. docs nair sucks.

 

[Zatchiel]

What would his best move be? And i'll try to use less Nair, then.

 

[otg]

I would say it's probably bair.

Yedi would probably say it's CC dsmash

A lot of people would argue dair for some reason.

spikes seems to be fond of downB

 

[eighteenspikes]

lol otg. is there seriously anyone that argues dair is his best?? lmfao doc boards

the following are spammable and effective:

dsmash
bair
pill
all tilts, up down and forward
cape
u/d throw to usmash

rest of moveset is situational

 

[otg]

I never said they were right, just seems like people are on that moves nuts.

 

[VGmasta]

If i ever play this game as much as i should, i'm going to try to start with the Doc. Anybody got any pointers to give? Kinda new, but i love his Nair to death.

Welcome to the Doc boards Lucas!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMD-7KINnQE

I would say it's probably bair.

Yedi would probably say it's CC dsmash

A lot of people would argue dair for some reason.

spikes seems to be fond of downB

lol otg. is there seriously anyone that argues dair is his best?? lmfao doc boards

the following are spammable and effective:

dsmash
bair
pill
all tilts, up down and forward
cape
u/d throw to usmash

rest of moveset is situational

I never said they were right, just seems like people are on that moves nuts.

The following moves are all really legit approaches:
f-tilt, up-tilt, d-smash, up-air, jab, b-air, nair, pills

If you can manage to land a grab, d-throw almost always leads to another attack or a regrab (just depends on what character you're fighting against). There's a few characters that you can grab where you'd get more from throwing them up instead of down.

I feel like the rest of the moveset is situational.

AND YES OTG, I'M ALL OVER THE NUTS OF THE FULL HOP D-AIR, .
That's literally the only effective way I have found to keep Peach and Ganondorf grounded.

 

[Rappster]

Welcome to the Doc boards Lucas!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMD-7KINnQE

i think this clip fits better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ioIylqRPXU

 

[ranmaru]

I never said Dair is the best, just something I like to use in different situations. (Like if I'm above or something, not that I WANT to be above)

Also cape on stage is really good, used sparingly.

 

[TemPesT-]

dtilt is best move. it stops marths sword when he's under you! (if your on a platform) ((THX SPIEKS))

 

[otg]

I'm going to start dtilting more.

 

[TemPesT-]

ya seriously. if marth puts you on a platform and try's to tipper you with uptilt or fsmash. let him have that dtilt. it'll clank fah days

 

[otg]

If I had time to dtilt, I'd probably just try and get out of the way, but yeah why not? I'll **** with it.

 

[VGmasta]

Isn't that d-tilting gimmick like hella risky? Marth could just wait for Doc to throw that slow *** d-tilt and then tipper him. I'd rather just move out of the way.

 

[TemPesT-]

what kinda marth isn't gonna try to tip on the get up asap if his opponent lands on a platform?

 

[VGmasta]

what kinda marth isn't gonna try to tip on the get up asap if his opponent lands on a platform?

Well that's what I'm getting at. Doc's d-tilt takes 5+ frames to actually come out. Sometimes I barely have time to get up and get my shield up in time to block the tipper, let alone trying to get up, crouch, and then try some weak d-tilt that only clanks with the tipper. I'll lose a stock for miss timing a slow *** d-tilt. While Marth is still advantaged whether the d-tilt clanks or not.

No thanks d-tilt, that's like bringing nothing to a gun battle. And I ain't Jet Li either.

 

[Zatchiel]

Never really thought about spiking with D-tilt.

*Looks at list*

So wait, Doc's Dsmash is actually spammable? @.@
Great, another reason for me to say No johns plz kthnx.

 

[VGmasta]

*Looks at list*

So wait, Doc's Dsmash is actually spammable? @.@

It's spammable against opponents that don't know how to punish Doc for crouch-canceling the d-smash.

 

[TemPesT-]

takes 5 frames to jump and 5 frames for dtilt to come out