Q&A Doc General Discussion: Ask and ye shall receive ft. otg and Shroomed!

[Strong Badam]

doc's fair has a trajectory of 60 degrees.
so you could probably make it a bit more survivable with very slight DI (maybe putting your control stick at around 80 degrees?), though I wouldn't do it unless you have practiced and tested it first.

 

[Shroomed]

Whats the best way to DI doc's fair?

get outta here darrel

i already told u dont DI it dayum

unless ur on the complete other side of the stage then i'd say DI out

if you DI up ur probably gonna die

 

[ranmaru]

Yea, I'm not tied down to that logic either, otherwise I'd still be maining Mario.

Doc's my original main. Although, ALL of us can't really say that becuase we at some point had to use Mario to unlock Doc, but I transferred quick and stayed on him since. : ]

 

[ranmaru]

straight up.

Hahaha I do this all the time. Works %100.

oops my bad double post LOL.

 

[mallu000]

Now I finally understand how godly Doc really is. About a month ago I started playing Mario almost 100 % of the time 'cause I thought and felt like I could **** and combo people more with him. I practiced and read lots of mario stuff, guides etc and trained with my friend. In the end I didn't do any better I just kept losing 9/10 of the matches. There were times when I thought I'd pick up a good secondary for the worst MUs but that felt wrong, you either play mario or you don't, no secondaries. That's my philosophy for playing a "not so good" character like Mario. : D

Anyways last weekend I tried and tried to cope with only Mario. Of course I used C.Falcon, Fox, Pikachu and others for teh lolz cause it wasn't tournament or anything. As always I lost almost every match with Mario and the rage was growing. Not towards my friend or the game but towards my own stupid mistakes I kept doing over and over again. Running into marths tippers or sheiks fair a.k.a. ***** slap etc.

But then I chose Doc for the first time that weekend and I 2 stocked my friend's fox 2 times in row in a 3-stock match. That felt awesome and after that I knew that Doc is teh thing not Mario. I don't know why but playing Doc comes somehow naturally to me and when playing Mario it feels like I have to think too much 'bout what I'm doing.

I don't know if anyone is even interested but I felt like sharing. :embarrass

 

[Ocean]

Now I finally understand how godly Doc really is.

I stopped taking this post seriously right here.

 

[otg]

I stopped taking this post seriously right here.

i loled

 

[mallu000]

This the Doc boards, what do you guys expect.

 

[otg]

Dude Doc is bad. Congrats on beating your friends and finding a character that works for you, but the reality is that he's a mediocre *** character, so coming in here with something like "Doc is really godly" is going to get you shunned.

 

[mallu000]

I didn't realize you took it that serious cause yeah I know I'm never gonna win any big tournaments, not even sure if I'm gonna make it to any because of the distance, language, money and all that stuff. But the main point was that after a lot thinking and looking for the right character I finally found out wich one is "godly" to me on a personal level.

Doc sucks, I know that but I don't care cause he's the most enjoyable character for me to play. If the main thing would be winning I of course wouldn't be playing him. I would just choose Fox and practice like hell but that's just not the case.

I'm pretty sure you guys just misunderstood me. I'm no pro but I'm not stupid either.

 

[eighteenspikes]

dont fee l bad mallu everyone is bitter because they are bad at doc. me included . fyi i main jiggs now

 

[Dogysamich]

doc-toliver
doc-tastic
doc-tus
Doc-quel O'Neil.

 

[Shroomed]

Not playing doc has made my doc better

i feel like I played pretty good today, I won the tourney with mostly doc

went alts on HMW tho, now there's vids of me doing sumthing I never do, edgeguarding

 

[Vulcan55]

Don't have money.
Get job.
Work weekends.
Can't go to tournies.
Hollow victory.

 

[Strong Badam]

Doc-quel O'Neil is the best.

 

[VGmasta]

Shroomed, you won another tournament?! Where are the vids?! I must see.

 

[ranmaru]

Hey hey i like doc **** you all :]

 

[VGmasta]

Not playing doc has made my doc better

That's because not playing as Doc forces you to change you style of play up. I remember how my spacing didn't get that good until I started using Ganondorf.

 

[TemPesT-]

just play the king of spacing! marth.

you wanna work on tech chasing play falcon lol.

a lot of different characters help with little parts of the game.

...doc helps... uhh ... somehow. he can taunt cancel <_< thats helpful...

 

[VGmasta]

Wanna make lightshielding a higher priority? Play as Game'n'Watch or Donkey Kong (Or use Doc in teams a lot vs. Double Marth or Double Ganondorf [Renth + RockCrock])! Unless you have a **** teammate on your team, you will have to lightshield vs. those teams as Doc to have any kind of shot at winning the match.

I kinda learned how to play melee using Mario and the Doc. So I'm not sure what specifically Doc might help with. I guess wavedashing (including Out of shield) since that's pretty important.

 

[Shroomed]

it's harder to tech chase with sheik than with falcon

and vids will be up whenever brandon uploads em lol

i <3 peach

 

[ranmaru]

Maybe Doc helps on being NOT technical and trying to think smart.

 

[TemPesT-]

Maybe Doc helps on being NOT technical and trying to think smart.

you mean like... some sort of... Doctor?

 

[_lemons]

Shroomed, did you go peach vs hmw? if so, ****.

 

[Shroomed]

my peach beat his falco in tourney in a match

in the set i went peach, marth, and sheik

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Dude Doc is bad. Congrats on beating your friends and finding a character that works for you, but the reality is that he's a mediocre *** character, so coming in here with something like "Doc is really godly" is going to get you shunned.

wow

eat a ****

/dogy can't infract =D

edit: Virg can and will

 

[ranmaru]

you mean like... some sort of... Doctor?

Yes, like a doctor.

 

[St. Viers]

So the rust is off the movement if my doc, but struck w/ a lack of convenient people to play against... I'll see if (when smash friday starts again) I can get some vids. He'll look nice, even if I can't play well XD

 

[otg]

Viers there are a bunch of good people in Boston and/or within an hour of you. You should talk to the Irish Mafia or Mofo or someone. No johns

 

[St. Viers]

Yeah, that's why I didn't say lack of people =P--it's more a matter of having time I can sit down and get owned by people.

 

[Strong Badam]

it's harder to tech chase with sheik than with falcon

and vids will be up whenever brandon uploads em lol

i <3 peach

wait what
you have sheik's dash attack
and falcon doesn't
i don't understand

 

[VGmasta]

Well Sheik does has the better dash attack than Falcon. But Falcon has a much better dash dance than Sheik. And after watching Shroomed's Dr. Mario all this time, I'm assuming that he likes to tech-chase using the dash dance.

 

[Shroomed]

and ricky is correct =)

sheik's dash dance is hard to space

 

[KirbyKaze]

I find it easier to straight up regrab vs techs with Falcon than Sheik because he recovers faster out of his throw, and the distance difference doesn't matter because of how fast and far his dash goes. He also conveniently has a lot of control over where he puts the opponent with his D-throw and U-throw because one of his throws only sends them in one direction.

Sheik's dash attack doesn't do much during tech chase if the opponent holds down Strong_Bad unless they're at like 50%+. It's also countered by ground tech pretty easily, and Fox/Falco get free Shines if they do.

Sheik's tech chase is still ridiculous.

 

[HomeMadeWaffles]

dajuans mad good

he 3-1d me i think???

i think every game i was ahead and lost

the one game i won i losing hahaha

 

[Shroomed]

that's how i always beat you brandon

ur up like 3-1 in stocks everytime

 

[HomeMadeWaffles]

man

my falco/fox go ******** on the last stock

it happens with anyone good really

the only person i take the last stock on thats good is maybe scar

mayyyybe

 

[ranmaru]

no NOT maybe.

Say YES. Maybe things will get done that way, maybe. If you say yes. (Cuz then you believe that you WILL do it, instead of trying like a wimp, lol)

Oh, but yeah, totally. Doc tourny.


One more thing my doc friends...

When to you use up tilt? Besides the obv up throw uptilt follow up. It seems I don't use uptilt as much as... docs do I guess. It seems these are my least used moves: Nair, Uptilt, and upsmash... (Although I'd use upsmash if someone is above me, usually close enough to me, that doesn't happen mostly)

so yeah. Nair, I don't use as much because it's like, I can't APPROACH with it cuz I'll get hit, so it can only be like a random nair kinda thing for me.

I tried randomly uptilting a fox and I got HIt like fast, my move didn't even come out... >_>

 

[boss8]

see yall at ROM!!! til then im playin madd melee.....F brawl

 

[Shroomed]

nair usmash utilt are some of my most used moves