Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Phoenix Douchebag]

I mean I was saying Sephiroth was underrated in the community for a while and was one of the OG Crash supporters. Speculation is weird.

Speaking from personal experience, I was a Simon Supporter since Twenty Thirteen, and i was passionate about Simon so much, that as soon as Vergeben said peep about him, i took over the Simon thread in a whim, posting what was essentially an essay for Simon in Smash. Hell, i already knew Vergeben WAS gonna be intertwined with Smash leaks the INSTANT i realized a lot of his leaks were Namco Related, as early as the Soul Calibur VI leaks. In hindsight i don't even think i needed Vergeben's leaking in order to believe Simon was likely, because it was absurd how much was on his benefit during E3 '18 and the August Direct.


Also by OG Crash supporter you mean before the N. Sane Trilogy reveal on Switch? Because to me that was the event that turned Crash into a common talking point in Smash circles.

 

[SharkLord]

Slightly random topic incoming: what stages would you expect to see for your MWs?

I was listening to some Klonoa remixes and... kinda realized choosing a single location to represent that series isn't easy. I've experienced similar doubts about other franchises in the past, like KH, for instance.

Klonoa would probably be Breezegale, being his (supposed) hometown and all. Have some platforms here and there, put some cameos in the background, and emphasize the windmill, and we should be good.

For my other most-wanteds:

• Bandana Dee doesn't have a stage that's directly tied to him, but I think Planet Earthfall fits pretty well. The autumn colors mesh well with his own color palette, it's the first stage in Star Allies' space section, and it ties into his love of apple juice, detailed in The Apple Juice Song (Which is considered his own theme, for context). We'd have some hidden items scattered around under piles of leaves, with a more spread out pattern of platforms.
• Reimu would easily have the Hakurei Shrine. It's her duty to maintain it, it's where she is before and after the events of the games, it has importance to the setting as the place that maintains the barrier around Gensokyo, and it's a mainstay of the fighting games. It'd be a more simple stage, though I think it'd be cool to have platforms that reference the various Option formations from throughout the series.
• Adol has quite a few places he's been to, but Darm Tower is far and away the most iconic. We could divide it into sub-sections, or have it be a moving stage, to represent the climb. Maybe scatter some cameos throughout, if we need any.

 

[Perkilator]

Yeah, I have that difficulty with Sora. Twilight Town? Traverse Town? Destiny Islands? The World That Never Was? There's a few more options but if you put a gun to my head and made me choose I'd go with Twilight Town. Has a good amount of appearances, is significant to Chain of Memories and Days, two of the KH games released on Nintendo consoles and you could have a nice aesthetic with the clock tower looking over the town and extending forest.

At the opposite end, Crash I would expect to see come with N. Sanity Beach. There are other options that can work but I wouldn't really expect them.

For Sora, I was thinking about the Station of Awakening going through different projections of KH-original worlds, stuff like:

• Destiny Islands; the bridge near the paopu fruit tree (cameos by KH1 Riku and Kairi)
• Traverse Town; the building across from the Rush Arena in the Fourth District
• Hollow Bastion; an elevator lift near the castle (cameos by the Shadow, Soldier and Large Body Heartless)
• Castle Oblivion; a seemingly empty room full of doors that take you to random parts of the stage (cameo by Naminé)
• Twilight Town; the train station’s clock tower (cameos by Roxas, Axel and Xion)
• Land of Departure; A central platform in the middle, with two floating platforms on either side held together by a breakable chain (cameos by Aqua, Terra and Ventus)
• Keyblade Graveyard; A stony stage with ravaged Keyblades that pop up from a random area of the screen (cameos by Xehanort and Vanitas)

As for Crash, I definitely agree on N. Sanity Beach.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I do believe we will get humanoid characters regardless one way or the other.

It's mainly about not having to make everything from scratch. Realistically proportioned humans would already have their skeleton made thanks to characters like Link or Captain Falcon.

 

[CannonStreak]

It's mainly about not having to make everything from scratch. Realistically proportioned humans would already have their skeleton made thanks to characters like Link or Captain Falcon.

Yeah, I know, I knew that to begin with. Still, would it actually hurt that much to go the extra mile and make some, say, non human designs? Some of them at the least can't be that hard to make.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Klonoa would probably be Breezegale, being his (supposed) hometown and all. Have some platforms here and there, put some cameos in the background, and emphasize the windmill, and we should be good.

For my other most-wanteds:

• Bandana Dee doesn't have a stage that's directly tied to him, but I think Planet Earthfall fits pretty well. The autumn colors mesh well with his own color palette, it's the first stage in Star Allies' space section, and it ties into his love of apple juice, detailed in The Apple Juice Song (Which is considered his own theme, for context). We'd have some hidden items scattered around under piles of leaves, with a more spread out pattern of platforms.

As far as modern Kirby stages go, I think a great one would be level 2-2 from planet Robobot:

Its distinct to Kirby while being different from other stages of that franchise, has just enough of a connection to Bandana Dee via the Waddle Dees in cars, and has some fun mechanics of having the vehicles potentially hitting you while also being usable as weapons if you can knock them into other fighters at the right time.

 

[Brother AJ]

So who are y'all thinking right now for an E3 reveal if we get one? There may be various barriers or issues with my picks, but I think one of the following are possible:

Dante
Dragonborn
Master Chief
Eggman
Rayman
Sora
Crash

 

[SKX31]

I wonder if it would be best to have a stage spanning the whole Summoner's Rift and travel between lanes. Dunno how Dota's works, but aren't there other kinds of camps in the jungle compared to LoL? Maybe that could be an interesting hazard. That or the donkeys (or whatever you call them) bringing items to the field.

And wasn't there a mob that dropped an item called Cheese? Maybe I'm completely misremembering, but I have vague memories of hearing that from a friend.

About Nashor, yeah, the inspiration is so blatant that Nashor's name is literally an anagram of Roshan's. Seriously, how did they get away with that?

...Wait, names being anagrams of counterparts... , ARE WE BACK TO ** KH LORE!?

Speaking of, I also tend to consider Twilight Town. It appears in most games (except KH, BBS and DDD, if I remember correctly) and arguably works better for cameos than Dive.

That was not my intent actually this time! To this day, I have no idea why the anagram managed to survive.

Roshan also drops the Cheese from the second time he dies in a match onward alongside the Aegis. The Cheese is a super-powerful one-use instant heal, so it can turn around fights in one go itself. In more recent patches, the Dota 2 devs have introduced a couple new items that Roshan has a chance of dropping from the third death onward (with the fourth death guaranteeing both items in addition to the Aegis and Cheese):

*Refresher Shard (a one-use variant of the Refresher Orb - restores all Cooldowns to 0 except itself, has a long CD itself). Extremely powerful in the hands of a hero who has a bonkers spell on normally high CD. The Refresher Orb costs a lot - and has a really high mana cost - for a reason.

* A free Aghanim's Sceptre: an item that gives a slight boost to all three primary stats + HP, but most importantly permanently upgrades a spell - some heroes gain an additional spell when they get a Sceptre. The Aghanim's dropped by Rosh is infused into the hero and thus doesn't take up an item slot for the hero. The normal Sceptre costs quite a lot, and it costs even more to infuse it into the Hero, so a free late game upgrade that doesn't take an item slot (the Aegis, Cheese and Shard all take up slots) is really appriciated.

Both these items were added to Roshan's drop rate presumably because the Dota 2 devs tired of some late game matches going on for hours on end. The longest pro Dota 2 game took 200 minutes, or 3 hours 20 minutes, excluding pauses. And that game was played in 2015 - when Roshan only dropped Aegis and Cheese at max. Those two and other additions intended to put an end to absurdly long games did quite a lot, TBF, absurdly long games aren't as common now IIRC.

The donkeys are the standard Couriers (they can be upgraded to Flying Couriers). Of course, Courier skins can be and has been included into the Steam shop, such as a Chocobo courier to coincide with Type-0's Steam release, and Amaterasu appeared as a Courier when Okami HD released on Steam.

Classically, Dota (and Dota 2) had one Courier per team, but that lead to a whole lot of griefing, awkward sharing and even some issues in pro games, so now there's one Courier per player in the game.

 

[Icedragonadam]

Crashbusa was the leading frontrunners for the last two spots and now that's been derailed on the speculation train greatly today. Of course wouldn't be the first time it happened.

 

[Ayumi Tachibana]

does anyone know what japanese speculation scene is saying? kind of curious what they think will be the front runners.

Not much difference than the west really.
Tales (Lloyd, Yuri, Cress, Alphen, Luke, Asbel, Ludger, Velvet), Hayabusa, Crash, Pokemon (Cinderace, Galarian Pokemon Trainer, Arceus), Reimu, Dante.
One thing notable is that people are throwing ideas of Octoling as a full fledged fighter rather than an echo or a clone way more than the west.

 

[Technomage]

Crashbusa was the leading frontrunners for the last two spots and now that's been derailed on the speculation train greatly today. Of course wouldn't be the first time it happened.

Crashbusa, huh? Wish I knew about that nickname sooner.

 

[Idon]

Not much difference than the west really.
Tales (Lloyd, Yuri, Cress, Alphen, Luke, Asbel, Ludger, Velvet), Hayabusa, Crash, Pokemon (Cinderace, Galarian Pokemon Trainer, Arceus), Reimu, Dante.
One thing notable is that people are throwing ideas of Octoling as a full fledged fighter rather than an echo or a clone way more than the west.

If we're talking about Smash Ultimate, I do wonder why people keep pushing Octoling in as an echo fighter when it's been established far in advanced that we aren't getting echo fighters in either pass.

Either they're in fully, or they're not in at all.

 

[TCT~Phantom]

Speaking from personal experience, I was a Simon Supporter since Twenty Thirteen, and i was passionate about Simon so much, that as soon as Vergeben said peep about him, i took over the Simon thread in a whim, posting what was essentially an essay for Simon in Smash. Hell, i already knew Vergeben WAS gonna be intertwined with Smash leaks the INSTANT i realized a lot of his leaks were Namco Related, as early as the Soul Calibur VI leaks. In hindsight i don't even think i needed Vergeben's leaking in order to believe Simon was likely, because it was absurd how much was on his benefit during E3 '18 and the August Direct.


Also by OG Crash supporter you mean before the N. Sane Trilogy reveal on Switch? Because to me that was the event that turned Crash into a common talking point in Smash circles.

I mean I supported Crash since Smash 4 (particularly in the dlc season) on here. I was one of the few people holding out hope before N Sane was announced. I’ve had a gut hunch things were looking up once N Sane was announced and now he has had the slow moving coup to become the front runner. It’s amazing how quickly and slowly he took over speculation. Strange I know. While in ultimate he was never a non factor, many were not the most confident in him. Once Banjo removed the one hurdle he had via being a western character, Crash quickly took over speculation.

Honestly, my gut usually is not wrong with speculation. It was right on Ridley, Dragon Quest, Simon, XC2 content, Dark Samus, Chrom, and to a lesser extent Sephiroth (I was saying square would get someone but I said gun to my head it was Neku but people were sleeping on Sephiroth). Right now, I have my gut saying one big third party and one small third Party. If I had to guess, Crash and a Falcom rep, probs Rean if you asked me gun to my head.

Would feel bad for Rean, he is the exact kind of character that would suffer the most being revealed last.

 

[3BitSaurus]

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Probably any variant of a post-apocalyptic Tokyo.

"Demifiend was just revealed for Smash, but much to everyone's confusion, their stage is not from the Shin Megami Tensei series, but rather is set in the aftermath of the movie Akira."

Hey, don't look at me like that, you did say "any variant".

Klonoa would probably be Breezegale, being his (supposed) hometown and all. Have some platforms here and there, put some cameos in the background, and emphasize the windmill, and we should be good.

Mayhaps, but the problem is that I'm unsure if Breezegale is a good representation for the series as a whole, since settings change on every entry.

I generally like to think that a traveling stage would be cool, since Klonoa is the Dream Traveler. Every once in a while, the background would "warp" like the Vision Clear effect from Lunatea and the players would go somewhere else.

Question is... which places would work besides Breezegale?

That was not my intent actually this time! To this day, I have no idea why the anagram managed to survive.

Roshan also drops the Cheese from the second time he dies in a match onward alongside the Aegis. The Cheese is a super-powerful one-use instant heal, so it can turn around fights in one go itself. In more recent patches, the Dota 2 devs have introduced a couple new items that Roshan has a chance of dropping from the third death onward (with the fourth death guaranteeing both items in addition to the Aegis and Cheese):

*Refresher Shard (a one-use variant of the Refresher Orb - restores all Cooldowns to 0 except itself, has a long CD itself). Extremely powerful in the hands of a hero who has a bonkers spell on normally high CD. The Refresher Orb costs a lot - and has a really high mana cost - for a reason.

* A free Aghanim's Sceptre: an item that gives a slight boost to all three primary stats + HP, but most importantly permanently upgrades a spell - some heroes gain an additional spell when they get a Sceptre. The Aghanim's dropped by Rosh is infused into the hero and thus doesn't take up an item slot for the hero. The normal Sceptre costs quite a lot, and it costs even more to infuse it into the Hero, so a free late game upgrade that doesn't take an item slot (the Aegis, Cheese and Shard all take up slots) is really appriciated.

Both these items were added to Roshan's drop rate presumably because the Dota 2 devs tired of some late game matches going on for hours on end. The longest pro Dota 2 game took 200 minutes, or 3 hours 20 minutes, excluding pauses. And that game was played in 2015 - when Roshan only dropped Aegis and Cheese at max. Those two and other additions intended to put an end to absurdly long games did quite a lot, TBF, absurdly long games aren't as common now IIRC.

The donkeys are the standard Couriers (they can be upgraded to Flying Couriers). Of course, Courier skins can be and has been included into the Steam shop, such as a Chocobo courier to coincide with Type-0's Steam release, and Amaterasu appeared as a Courier when Okami HD released on Steam.

Classically, Dota (and Dota 2) had one Courier per team, but that lead to a whole lot of griefing, awkward sharing and even some issues in pro games, so now there's one Courier per player in the game.

Damn, and I thought the troll matches in Bronze with 2 hours were too long.

But hey, these items sound like they'd be cool in Smash! Getting full recovery for beating a boss sounds nice, and I imagine CDR would convert to less lag... meaning we could officially get Ganondorf, but with instant attacks.

 

[Gengar84]

So who are y'all thinking right now for an E3 reveal if we get one? There may be various barriers or issues with my picks, but I think one of the following are possible:

Dante
Dragonborn
Master Chief
Eggman
Rayman
Sora
Crash

I think it’s basically impossible to predict who will actually get in. There are so many potential characters and Sakurai has been known to surprise us. Here are a few characters I want a lot that I feel have a legitimate chance:

Battletoads
Illidan Stormrage
Lu Bu
Velvet Crowe
Gengar

None of these characters are regularly talked about and probably aren’t the most likely but I feel that there is at least a possibility of one of these actually happening. I don’t think many of my other most wanted characters have much a chance at all unfortunately.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Crashbusa was the leading frontrunners for the last two spots and now that's been derailed on the speculation train greatly today. Of course wouldn't be the first time it happened.

Reject Crashbusa. Embrace Euden and... whoever else he comes with.

 

[Shroob]

I think it’s basically impossible to predict who will actually get in. There are so many potential characters and Sakurai has been known to surprise us. Here are a few characters I want a lot that I feel have a legitimate chance:

Battletoads
Illidan Stormrage
Lu Bu
Velvet Crowe
Gengar

None of these characters are regularly talked about and probably aren’t the most likely but I feel that there is at least a possibility of one of these actually happening. I don’t think many of my other most wanted characters have much a chance at all unfortunately.

I can safely say that this community would not be prepared for Illidan.

 

[SNEKeater]

Slightly random topic incoming: what stages would you expect to see for your MWs?

I was listening to some Klonoa remixes and... kinda realized choosing a single location to represent that series isn't easy. I've experienced similar doubts about other franchises in the past, like KH, for instance.

For Dante, it's 90% the top of Temen-Ni-Gru

Though I think Devil May Cry (I mean, the actual shop that Dante owns) could work as well. And I think cameos would make more sense to appear there.

For Sol, his stage would be nice.

But I could see them going with Ky's or May's stages, which are probably more iconic and popular. And equally good choices IMO.

Paris:

Mayship:

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Crackpot Smash ideas: As the final Mr. Sakurai Presents draws to a close, Sakurai surprises us with a "wait! There is one more fighter I want to show you. Please take a look:"

Igglybuff Ends the Encore

Igglybuff is Jigglypuff, but smaller, so it has even less range, and ties with Pichu for being the lightest character in the game. To make up for these shortcomings, the baby Balloon Pokémon shatters Jigglypuff's air speed record, allowing it to rush down its opponents. To keep this from being absolutely busted, Igglybuff builds up a ton of momentum, causing it to slide to a stop before moving in the opposite direction, and it's midair jumps have a pitiful height, so it can't use it's superior air speed to camp opponents.

Because its midair jumps aren't able to bring Igglybuff higher than characters with only one midair jump, it has a normal Up Special. Instead of Sing, it uses Play Rough to bounce a normal jump height's distance into the air, which can be arced left or right if you so chose. If Igglybuff makes contact with an opponent, it will obscure itself and the victim in a cloud of smoke, and launch the opponent as the dust settles. Lastly, instead of Rollout, Igglybuff uses Disarming Voice, which is an attack in a large radius around it that has a decent bit of end-lag, but deals a more hitstun than normal, granting Igglybuff a mixup option that makes fighting zoners slightly less painful.

Differences from Jigglypuff TLDR:
-Higher air speed
-Lower air acceleration
-Lower midair jump height
-Lighter weight
-Less range across the board
-A new Up Special that functions as a recovery move
-New Neutral Special

 

[3BitSaurus]

I can safely say that this community would not be prepared for Illidan.

Googles

Oooh, that guy! I never played Warcraft, but I remember seeing him in Warcraft-related imagery online.

...May I ask why? Besides being in the community's blind spot... and him apparently having two blades, I mean.

 

[Louie G.]

So who are y'all thinking right now for an E3 reveal if we get one?

Tails, personally. Laying it out, a new Sonic character is something that makes an increasing amount of sense to me.

- I'm personally anticipating another SEGA character since it is the only company other than SNK with nothing this pass, and how DLC thus far has been companies that were already involved with DLC previously. Pattern susceptible to be broken, but I believe this has a good chance of playing out.

- I've been contemplating which other series could be expanded on, seeing how 3/4 of our DLC characters are from IPs that already had some form of content in Smash (and then half of them were from series that already had characters). With the previous point in mind I began to think about Sonic. Out of SEGA's options, I believe more Sonic makes the most sense - as much as I want Arle to be in, Tails (or Eggman) would just please more people. See below.

- Steve and Sephiroth are mass appeal third parties who would please both the "hardcore" fans and the casuals. The hardcore fans likely will have bought DLC anyway, so I believe the deals this time around are generally bigger more widely popular characters to a general audience. Another Sonic character fits this bill pretty nicely, and has been requested for a particularly long time. I imagine Tails, Knuckles and Shadow all have a pretty solid ballot presence.

- If we were gonna get a Sonic character, E3 would be a good time for it. Sonic is notably more popular in the west, and Sonic's 30th Anniversary lands sometime this May. So it would be both fitting and timely.

And then I opt for Tails over Eggman because I'm just having a difficult time imagining them picking Eggman. When there's a clear Player 2, they usually opt for them over the villain. Tails is a Mii Costume, but since it was released all the way back in April 2019 it remains in a bit of a grey area. Since Rex was part of the original Pyra project plan, which was likely being worked out sometime that year, I think Tails is similarly fair game.

I think Tails is perfectly right outside the realm of expectation while also making enough sense in retrospect. I think people are quick to count him out for the aforementioned reason, and with the influx in Eggman support he's gotten a bit left by the wayside. I tend not to back characters just because they "break fan rules" or are gonna blindside people but I'm just trying to get a hard read on what can happen next before it happens. Most characters we've gotten so far were ignored or counted out for one assumption or another. It's productive to try stretch outside the box a little bit.

 

[cashregister9]

Slightly random topic incoming: what stages would you expect to see for your MWs?

I was listening to some Klonoa remixes and... kinda realized choosing a single location to represent that series isn't easy. I've experienced similar doubts about other franchises in the past, like KH, for instance.

I hope Estelle comes with a tour of Zemuria or just several locations from the franchise

Sakura's would be the grand imperial theater with a bunch of cameos. The Steampunk aesthetic would add to it.

Saber's stage should be CHALDEAS and should have just a ton of cameos.

Reimu's should also have a ton of cameos

For Dante, it's 90% the top of Temen-Ni-Gru

Though I think Devil May Cry (I mean, the actual shop that Dante owns) could work as well. And I think cameos would make more sense to appear there.

For Sol, his stage would be nice.

But I could see them going with Ky's or May's stages, which are probably more iconic and popular. And equally good choices IMO.

Paris:

Mayship:

Mayship would be fantastic but my prediction is Neo New York

Googles

Oooh, that guy! I never played Warcraft, but I remember seeing him in Warcraft-related imagery online.

...May I ask why? Besides being in the community's blind spot... and him apparently having two blades, I mean.

 

[Shroob]

Googles

Oooh, that guy! I never played Warcraft, but I remember seeing him in Warcraft-related imagery online.

...May I ask why? Besides being in the community's blind spot... and him apparently having two blades, I mean.

Illidan's most iconic line is "YOU! ARE NOT! PREPARED!"


They never explained what we were not prepared for for like a decade until the Legion expansion came out where they retconned him to be "Uhhh actually Illidan was a good guy all along!"

 

[SharkLord]

So one last time, too close off the great Hayabusa debate:

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The quote is, "I'm waiting for an invitation." Emphasis on the I'm. If it was Hayabusa waiting for that envelope, it would be more neutral; Maybe Nintendo haven't approached them for Smash, maybe he just hasn't been revealed yet. But that's not the case; The devs are waiting for an invitation. I don't think it's a hard deconfirm-Too vague to give a definitive answer-But I think it hurts his chances.

 

[TCT~Phantom]

So who are y'all thinking right now for an E3 reveal if we get one? There may be various barriers or issues with my picks, but I think one of the following are possible:

I think we will get our “big” third party at e3 to play big to western audiences. I would guess Crash myself, but I am too tired to do a write up on Crash right now. Crash to me makes the most sense for e3 by far.

 

[cashregister9]

I maintain that Arthas would be our first Warcraft rep, his story and design is just too damn iconic.

Illidan's most iconic line is "YOU! ARE NOT! PREPARED!"


They never explained what we were not prepared for for like a decade until the Legion expansion came out where they retconned him to be "Uhhh actually Illidan was a good guy all along!"

I mean if you read the books...

 

[3BitSaurus]

Illidan's most iconic line is "YOU! ARE NOT! PREPARED!"


They never explained what we were not prepared for for like a decade until the Legion expansion came out where they retconned him to be "Uhhh actually Illidan was a good guy all along!"

Then I guess in the end, you all really weren't prepared... for the retcon.

But okay, I guess the joke it makes sense for me now lol.

 

[Shroob]

I maintain that Arthas would be our first Warcraft rep, his story and design is just too damn iconic.


I mean if you read the books...

Which books? Illidan novel only launched around Legion's launch, otherwise we had like that one book which focused on Azeroth splitting, which nowadays has a ton of retconned story beats tbf.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Mayship would be fantastic but my prediction is Neo New York

Why is Texas the new New York?

 

[ZelDan]

The obvious answer to what Isaac's stage could be would be Venus Lighthouse:

that said, if Sakurai wanted to be super cool with a hypothetical Isaac pass, he could also add the other 3 Lighthouses (Mercury, Jupiter, Mars) and have all 4 randomly chosen, similar to Minecraft's biomes, and also like the biomes you could have the option to manually choose which Lighthouse you want through a button code.

All Lighthouses would obviously have different obstacles/features/whatnot.

 

[cashregister9]

Which books? Illidan novel only launched around Legion's launch, otherwise we had like that one book which focused on Azeroth splitting, which nowadays has a ton of retconned story beats tbf.

I guess I subconsciously combined the Illidan and Stormrage novels in my brain.

 

[Shroob]

I guess I subconsciously combined the Illidan and Malfurion novels in my brain.

But ya, I agree, Arthas would make more sense as the Warcraft rep, though I'd argue that Illidan and Thrall are a close 2nd and 3rd behind him.

 

[cashregister9]

But ya, I agree, Arthas would make more sense as the Warcraft rep, though I'd argue that Illidan and Thrall are a close 2nd and 3rd behind him.

I'd also through Jaina up there.

 

[Shroob]

I'd also through Jaina up there.

Alliance scum


Lok'tar

 

[cashregister9]

Alliance scum


Lok'tar

Hey I play Forsaken For The Horde and all that, It's not my fault that the alliance can keep more stable leadership.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

Tails, personally. Laying it out, a new Sonic character is something that makes an increasing amount of sense to me.

- I'm personally anticipating another SEGA character since it is the only company other than SNK with nothing this pass, and how DLC thus far has been companies that were already involved with DLC previously. Pattern susceptible to be broken, but I believe this has a good chance of playing out.

- I've been contemplating which other series could be expanded on, seeing how 3/4 of our DLC characters are from IPs that already had some form of content in Smash (and then half of them were from series that already had characters). With the previous point in mind I began to think about Sonic. Out of SEGA's options, I believe more Sonic makes the most sense - as much as I want Arle to be in, Tails (or Eggman) would just please more people. See below.

- Steve and Sephiroth are mass appeal third parties who would please both the "hardcore" fans and the casuals. The hardcore fans likely will have bought DLC anyway, so I believe the deals this time around are generally bigger more widely popular characters to a general audience. Another Sonic character fits this bill pretty nicely, and has been requested for a particularly long time. I imagine Tails, Knuckles and Shadow all have a pretty solid ballot presence.

- If we were gonna get a Sonic character, E3 would be a good time for it. Sonic is notably more popular in the west, and Sonic's 30th Anniversary lands sometime this May. So it would be both fitting and timely.

And then I opt for Tails over Eggman because I'm just having a difficult time imagining them picking Eggman. When there's a clear Player 2, they usually opt for them over the villain. Tails is a Mii Costume, but since it was released all the way back in April 2019 it remains in a bit of a grey area. Since Rex was part of the original Pyra project plan, which was likely being worked out sometime that year, I think Tails is similarly fair game.

I think Tails is perfectly right outside the realm of expectation while also making enough sense in retrospect. I think people are quick to count him out for the aforementioned reason, and with the influx in Eggman support he's gotten a bit left by the wayside. I tend not to back characters just because they "break fan rules" or are gonna blindside people but I'm just trying to get a hard read on what can happen next before it happens. Most characters we've gotten so far were ignored or counted out for one assumption or another.

I still do wonder how are they going to do a Sonic characters challenger pack (either Tails or Eggman). Fighter pass 2 had a lot of franchise who already have some content, but none of them was on the level of Sonic. Arms had no stages and no music and a lot of characters with no spirits, FF7 had only 2 music and no spirits besides Cloud and Xenoblade 2 had only 3 music with no stage and not a lot of spirits. Of course, Sonic has a lot of stage possibility, with many games being not represented in this category. But music and spirits feels relatively complete, of course we could have more, but I wonder if Nintendo and Sakurai will really feel like Sonic really need more. I agree that Tails is a probably a possibility that is being slept on quite a bit, but I have a feeling that they're going to put already represented franchises only if there's a big lack of content, which Sonic doesn't really have.

Besides, I personally still think Puyo puyo have pretty big chances. It's probably not going to be the huge e3 announcement, but let's assume that the e3 announcement is a more western character, maybe the final fighter could please more to Japan, which Puyo puyo would fit.

 

[Gengar84]

I maintain that Arthas would be our first Warcraft rep, his story and design is just too damn iconic.


I mean if you read the books...

Arthas would be awesome as well. We’ve been doing well actually getting villains in Ultimate but more are always welcome. We could also use another ice element user in Smash other than Ice Climbers. Really, I would be happy with pretty much any Warcraft or Starcraft character. I went with Illidan because he has probably my favorite design of any video game character ever but Blizzard has a ton of really strong designs.

 

[SpecterFlower]

As far as modern Kirby stages go, I think a great one would be level 2-2 from planet Robobot:

Its distinct to Kirby while being different from other stages of that franchise, has just enough of a connection to Bandana Dee via the Waddle Dees in cars, and has some fun mechanics of having the vehicles potentially hitting you while also being usable as weapons if you can knock them into other fighters at the right time.

The best one would probably be another Dimension

it's one of the more iconic stages from recent Kirby, other good ones would probably be halcandra or the jambastion.

 

[Perkilator]

I still do wonder how are they going to do a Sonic characters challenger pack (either Tails or Eggman). Fighter pass 2 had a lot of franchise who already have some content, but none of them was on the level of Sonic. Arms had no stages and no music and a lot of characters with no spirits, FF7 had only 2 music and no spirits besides Cloud and Xenoblade 2 had only 3 music with no stage and not a lot of spirits. Of course, Sonic has a lot of stage possibility, with many games being not represented in this category. But music and spirits feels relatively complete, of course we could have more, but I wonder if Nintendo and Sakurai will really feel like Sonic really need more. I agree that Tails is a probably a possibility that is being slept on quite a bit, but I have a feeling that they're going to put already represented franchises only if there's a big lack of content, which Sonic doesn't really have.

Besides, I personally still think Puyo puyo have pretty big chances. It's probably not going to be the huge e3 announcement, but let's assume that the e3 announcement is a more western character, maybe the final fighter could please more to Japan, which Puyo puyo would fit.

One thing I think Sonic needs more of in Smash is in the music department. Only 20 songs, and only Angel Island is remixed (and mind you, that was a remix from Brawl). This is kinda soul-destroying when Fatal Fury, a lesser known series, got a Challenger Pack with 50 songs (granted, a lot of them were from other SNK franchises, but still).

I've come up with a hypothetical Eggman Challenger Pack to sort of tickle one's fancy.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

The best one would probably be another Dimension

MY EEEEEYES!!!

Seriously though, Another Dimension is so ugly. Maybe I'd like it if the yellow was super subdued but...

The stage geometry would be super interesting at least.