Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[3BitSaurus]

I think Dante could have meta breaking potential. He was top tier in MvC3 & top 2 (I think) in MvCI.

But realistically, we’re not getting another Smash 4 Cloud or Bayo. Sakurai’s gotten really good at balance.

Speaking of MvC... Zero.

That's it, that's the post.

(Imagine Sakurai going like "I want to make characters as faithful as possible in Smash. Which is why we had to make Zero broken, it would't be Zero in a crossover fighter if he wasn't broken.")

 

[SKX31]

I think Dante could have meta breaking potential. He was top tier in MvC3 & top 2 (I think) in MvCI.

But realistically, we’re not getting another Smash 4 Cloud or Bayo. Sakurai’s gotten really good at balance.

Dante's not getting the Jump cancel shenaningas (at least not doable instantly off of a footstool) - that would be nauseating to deal with.

And yeah, they have, which is a good testament to how well they've crafted the game. There are only a few matchups that makes me think:

FTR, those matchups are AFAIK vs. , vs. , vs. . and vs / . The last one might be a tad surprising;

• Min Min straight up shuts down the ground from Mac.
• Trampoline / Hydrant likewise screws Mac over.
• While Ganondorf DORIYAHS all over Pikachu casually, a Pikachu with more practice can just decide to carry Ganondorf to the blastzone.
• Pocket turns Ptooie into one of the game's best moves and can KO Plant at like 30 %; and while Poison Cloud is more situational, Pocket multiplies Poison Cloud's damage to a bonkers level.

That's out of 7056 possible 1v1 matchups (84*84 - yes I'm including mirror matches, but I did so for simplicity), and the number quickly rises to 2 478 758 911 082 496 possible 8 player FFA combinations if my math's correct.

Speaking of MvC... Zero.

That's it, that's the post.

(Imagine Sakurai going like "I want to make characters asfaithful as possible in Smash. Which is why we had to make Zero broken, it would't be Zero in a crossover fighter if he wasn't broken.")

Think you're forgetting someone. The guy Dante called "King of the Cheap Moves" in Project X Zone 2:

 

[Rie Sonomura]

When does Sakurai's next Famitsu column come out?

I’d like to know this too

 

[3BitSaurus]

Think you're forgetting someone. The guy Dante called "King of the Cheap Moves" in Project X Zone 2:

Yeah, Vergil too.

You know, the meme makes me think - if Vergil could only attack while sitting in a plastic chair... would it be a nerf or a buff?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Yeah, Vergil too.

You know, the meme makes me think - if Vergil could only attack while sitting in a plastic chair... would it be a nerf or a buff?

Idk man

You tell me

 

[Mamboo07]

I think Dante could have meta breaking potential. He was top tier in MvC3 & top 2 (I think) in MvCI.

But realistically, we’re not getting another Smash 4 Cloud or Bayo. Sakurai’s gotten really good at balance.

Pyra and Mythra are the new Bayonetta of Smash Ultimate.
(Already so broken and OP)

 

[Lamperouge]

Pyra and Mythra are the new Bayonetta of Smash Ultimate.
(Already so broken and OP)

It's waaaay too early to call that, dude.

 

[DanganZilla5]

I played more of Devil May Cry today. Good ****. If my wish comes true and Phoenix does get in, I think Dante would be a great choice for a Mii costume, though I would definitely be cool with him being a playable character. He is just so cool.

Also, new profile pic btw.

 

[StrangeKitten]

Me in 2019: Honestly, I agree with Sakurai's choice of Incineroar over Decidueye. He could make Decidueye plenty unique, for sure, but we already have a winged archer with an edgy aesthetic. We didn't have anything based on wrestling, nor much in the way of a grappler archetype.

Me two years later when Decidueye is back on the table and there's a glitch involving the fighter that reminds me the most of him: Son of a--!

 

[Deleted member]

Ya know what Smash is really missing?

A dedicated staffy mage user

 

[DanganZilla5]

Hold up. What's the new glitch? Because it seems like that we always get a new glitch and the next fighter is related to the glitch somehow. Does this have a name? If not, then maybe we should start calling it Glitch Theory, even though it's always tough narrowing it down to a small selection of characters due to the nature of such a wide pool of potential candidates who have similar attacks or mechanics involved in the glitch.

 

[Shroob]

I love how ****ing weird Japanese reactions can be.


Why yes, that is a dinosaur crying tears of joy.

 

[Deleted member]

Hold up. What's the new glitch? Because it seems like that we always get a new glitch and the next fighter is related to the glitch somehow. Does this have a name? If not, then maybe we should start calling it Glitch Theory, even though it's always tough narrowing it down to a small selection of characters due to the nature of such a wide pool of potential candidates who have similar attacks or mechanics involved in the glitch.

Iirc it's something to do with Pit's neutral b where the arrow gets stuck inside his hitbox

INB4 the next character is Pithree

 

[Ivander]

Iirc it's something to do with Pit's neutral b where the arrow gets stuck inside his hitbox

INB4 the next character is Pithree

Dark Pit, not Pit. And so far, I've only seen the glitch with Dark Pit and not Pit.

 

[Cosmic77]

Hold up. What's the new glitch? Because it seems like that we always get a new glitch and the next fighter is related to the glitch somehow. Does this have a name? If not, then maybe we should start calling it Glitch Theory, even though it's always tough narrowing it down to a small selection of characters due to the nature of such a wide pool of potential candidates who have similar attacks or mechanics involved in the glitch.

I wouldn't read into it. We've had plenty of characters who've had random, unexplainable glitches, and nothing ever came out of them.

There was a glitch for Bayonetta prior to Min Min's reveal. Captain Falcon was used as the base for Min Min, and clearly Steve, Sephiroth, and Pyra/Mythra are nothing like Bayo. So why did Bayo have a new glitch? We might never know.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Ya know what Smash is really missing?

A dedicated staffy mage user
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I’m on board. Any addition that lets me dash dance as a plague doctor is one I accept with open arms.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I mean so is and

Yes an A. they were originally one character each. B None of them work better as a Boss. And C. Shouldn't have happened anyway.

Asking for playable Ganon is like asking for playable Safer Sephiroth.

Their character is already playable. But they want their "final form" to also be playable, even though it's already a boss. That's a **** move.

 

[Otoad64]

Yes an A. they were originally one character each. B None of them work better as a Boss. And C. Shouldn't have happened anyway.

Asking for playable Ganon is like asking for playable Safer Sephiroth.

Their character is already playable. But they want their "final form" to also be playable, even though it's already a boss. That's a **** move.

people aren't asking for this though

they are asking for this

one is the final form of Ganondorf, the other is present instead of Ganondorf

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Yes an A. they were originally one character each. B None of them work better as a Boss. And C. Shouldn't have happened anyway.

Asking for playable Ganon is like asking for playable Safer Sephiroth.

Their character is already playable. But they want their "final form" to also be playable, even though it's already a boss. That's a **** move.

You have seen OoT Ganon compared to LttP Ganon right? They are nowhere near the same thing.

 

[Shroob]

I mean, I get that OoT Ganon and ALttP Ganon look different, but

GANON IS GANON



....I just wanted to meme, don't kill me.

 

[Otoad64]

I mean, I get that OoT Ganon and ALttP Ganon look different, but

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GANON IS GANON



....I just wanted to meme, don't kill me.

one Ganon is Ganon, the other Ganon is Ganondorf

 

[Shroob]

one Ganon is Ganon, the other Ganon is Ganondorf

Ah, but according to the timeline, ALttP Ganon is still Ganondorf, it's just the timeline where he killed Link.



Timelines in Zelda are a *****, ain't they?

 

[Otoad64]

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Ah, but according to the timeline, ALttP Ganon is still Ganondorf, it's just the timeline where he killed Link.



Timelines in Zelda are a *****, ain't they?

I meant the OOT Ganon is pretty much a powered up Dorf, whereas ALTTP Ganon just stays in that form

oh, and the Pokemon timeline makes the Zelda timeline look as simple as the Kirby timeline

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

oh, and the Pokemon timeline makes the Zelda timeline look as simple as the Kirby timeline

And the Castlevania timeline makes the Pokemon Timeline look like the Metroid Timeline.

 

[SpecterFlower]

Yes an A. they were originally one character each. B None of them work better as a Boss. And C. Shouldn't have happened anyway.

Asking for playable Ganon is like asking for playable Safer Sephiroth.

Their character is already playable. But they want their "final form" to also be playable, even though it's already a boss. That's a **** move.

Safer Sephiroth?

I hardly know her sephiroth.

 

[Otoad64]

And the Castlevania timeline makes the Pokemon Timeline look like the Metroid Timeline.

I don't even know anything about Castlevania but I would be suprised if it's more complicated then the Kingdom Hearts timeline

 

[SpecterFlower]

I meant the OOT Ganon is pretty much a powered up Dorf, whereas ALTTP Ganon just stays in that form

oh, and the Pokemon timeline makes the Zelda timeline look as simple as the Kirby timeline

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i don't care if this is a joke, for the uneducated this is important.

 

[Otoad64]

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i don't care if this is a joke, for the uneducated this is important.

oh trust me, I know my Kirby lore. But the timeline itself, as in the placement of the games, is just a straight line, with every game coming after the other.

 

[Shroob]

Kirby lore:

Get slightly annoyed
Kill a god
Take a nap

Repeat

 

[zumaddy]

Do you guys think we're getting another first party or no? I can see the last two being one last big third party around E3 time and ending with a first party who's relatively popular but might be considered underwhelming.

Either way, I'm so happy with our first party picks!

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

I don't even know anything about Castlevania but I would be suprised if it's more complicated then the Kingdom Hearts timeline

I could explain it to you. But do you have 6 hours?

Spoiler: Thats a big ole timeline

 

[Otoad64]

Kirby lore:

Get slightly annoyed
Kill a god
Take a nap

Repeat

oh no, there's much more to it than that, mainly in the backstory department

 

[BlondeLombax]

Do you guys think we're getting another first party or no? I can see the last two being one last big third party around E3 time and ending with a first party who's relatively popular but might be considered underwhelming.

Either way, I'm so happy with our first party picks!
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No clue, not a care in the world. I have never once cared about a character's relevancy to Nintendo, whether they're owned by them or have never once been on a Nintendo system whatsoever. If they're good, I'm good.

 

[cothero]

The reaaon we got Terry was because Sakurai noticed how many Smash fans are uncultured swines and decided to show them what a real ****ing fighting game looks like

That's actually correct.

 

[zumaddy]

Sakurai put Terry in the game so he could gush about old school fighters for 40 minutes

Lol from someone who knowns nothing about SNK, the amount of love and care put into his trailer and moves impressed me.

 

[SharkLord]

Do you guys think we're getting another first party or no? I can see the last two being one last big third party around E3 time and ending with a first party who's relatively popular but might be considered underwhelming.

Either way, I'm so happy with our first party picks!
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Maybe? Smash tends to have cycles with promotional first-parties; Corrin, Incineroar, and now Byleth. Granted, Bayo was the last reveal, but Corrin was revealed in the same livestream and dropped in the same update. That being said, there aren't many major first-parties left to fill that niche; We already have ARMS and XC2, Astral Chain, Ring Fit Adventure, and Pokemon have been Spirited, and the Squid Sister Miis indicate that we won't be getting any big Splatoon packs. If we want to include third-party exclusives as well, BD2 got Spirited, Monster Hunter got Mii'd, and Arthur got both. It should also be noted that all the "promotional" characters had about half a year to a full year between their debut release and their DLC, so I doubt we'd be getting any BDSP Pokemon.

Given the promotional trends and the focus on the Switch's library, I think the best bet statistically would be Ayumi. The FDC remakes are coming out early enough for her the be introduced, and given that they were announced as far back as 2019, I'd imagine the original release date would've been early enough as well. That, and the fact that she was planned as far back as the original Smash 64, so she'd tie a nice bow on things-Though admittedly, that's not the most solid of points.

The other notable first-party would be Euden. Dragalia Lost is a decently major new Nintendo game, and their first original mobile IP to boot. Not quite part of the Switch's library, but it's worth keeping in mind. I expect we'll get something from that game in Smash, even if Euden's not a fighter. Or maybe he'll get Chrom'd by Midgardsormr or Mym like Rex and Spring Man

 

[andree123]

I just wondered if anyone can make a height chart of Sakurai's figures of fighters in smash ultimate.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Do you guys think we're getting another first party or no? I can see the last two being one last big third party around E3 time and ending with a first party who's relatively popular but might be considered underwhelming.

I’m pretty confident Pyra and Mythra are it for our 1st parties. Its just a premonition, but the last 2 being 3rd party just makes sense to me.

 

[Mamboo07]

When Fighter Pass 2 finishes, there's still a couple of missing characters that haven't got into Smash as a fighter yet.

 

[SWSU]

When Fighter Pass 2 finishes, there's still a couple of missing characters that haven't got into Smash as a fighter yet.

More than a couple