Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Ben Holt]

I should note that this isn't a complete halt in momentum. You can still move while attacking and can't stall indefinitely by attacking.

A fellow platforming connoisseur, I see.

 

[SNEKeater]

Speaking of spiritual successors to classic action platformers, have any of y'all ever played The Messenger? It’s a platformer/metroidvania styled after Ninja Gaiden. High key, it’s one of the best platformers I’ve ever played. I probably enjoyed it more than any Ninja Gaiden game, and I might even say it’s my absolute favorite metroidvania.

Here's a track from it that would be perfect for Smash:

Yeah, I know the game! I've heard almost nothing but praise about The Messenger. It is definitely a game I'd like to check out in the future.

The track you shared is really cool, by the way.

 

[Ben Holt]

But Splatoon 3 opened with "Not actual gameplay footage"

Obviously, Nintendo is trolling us with Wii U style graphics as Splatoon 3 will be on Switch Pro and thus have Pixar quality visuals.

 

[SharkLord]

Somehow I didn't pick up on all the clues before Pyra flashed that envelope. I did consider the idea of Rex in Smash, but I also thought it could be a sequel or DLC pack.

Semi-related, here's a little bit of trivia

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[Þe 1 → Way]

Guys, look what just happened on Gfaqs. I think Mike Pollock (voice of Eggman) really just dropped in: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/79302746

Mike Pollocks is on game faqs?
Its incredible that he actually dropped in.
For those who don’t feel like reading, his reaction was essentially this.

Spoiler: Bad Joke Alert.

 

[cashregister9]

This discussion of whether or not Pyra's trailer was XB2 DLC made me realize that I haven't completed the Xenoblade 2 base game DLC. I 100%'d Torna but not the base game. A couple dozen more hours in the game couldn't hurt.

 

[PacificFun]

Okay so like, if that person who's posting on Gfaqs really is Mike Pollock (I'm sure it is), Eggman is basically disconfirmed.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

But Splatoon 3 opened with "Not actual gameplay footage"

To be fair Splatoon 3 wasn’t trying to be intentionally misleading.

 

[Cosmic77]

This is one of those trailers where I almost immediately knew who the character was. As soon as I realized it was related to XC2 and I saw Rex, my mind went to Pyra.

Four out of five times they hold off on the chosen character rather than immediately show who they are, so I figured Rex must've not gotten in if he was the central character in the beginning.

 

[Peripuff]

Speaking of that, did anyone else immediately know it was Joker in Smash then? I didn't know anything "going ons," with Persona, and never paid much attention to it, so I didn't really expect there to be any other types of announcements. Also, something about the dialogue tipped me off early on, like it felt to obviously hinting at Smash.

The ESRB rating tipped me off. The trailer had a E10+ rating even though Persona 5 was M rated. I noticed that while watching TGA with my friends and I suspected it was Smash. I wasn't certain but I remember bringing that up and I was right.

 

[Shroob]

To be fair Splatoon 3 wasn’t trying to be intentionally misleading.

To be fair, seeing the opening desert shot, like, between Sephiroth and this, I've heard soo many people go "MONSTER HUNTER?!" whenever a canyon or desert is shown off in a Smash trailer lol.

 

[StrangeKitten]

Okay so like, if that person who's posting on Gfaqs really is Mike Pollock (I'm sure it is), Eggman is basically disconfirmed.

I didn't see anything in the thread that disconfirmed Eggman. I thought he ignored the Smash question. Did I miss something?

 

[SharkLord]

I didn't see anything in the thread that disconfirmed Eggman. I thought he ignored the Smash question. Did I miss something?

Yeah, he's giving a non-answer. Nothing for or against his character.

 

[Golden Icarus]

Yeah, I know the game! I've heard almost nothing but praise about The Messenger. It is definitely a game I'd like to check out in the future.

The track you shared is really cool, by the way.

If you're looking for another challenging platformer, then I can't recommend it enough. I feel like it's often overlooked given its generic title and blatant Ninja Gaiden influence, but it really is something special. It has lots of original ideas and surprising twists in both story and gameplay.

 

[DevaAshera]

Okay so like, if that person who's posting on Gfaqs really is Mike Pollock (I'm sure it is), Eggman is basically disconfirmed.

Not really. Super Smash Bros. often re-uses voice clips, with Sonic recycling voice clips from various games using Roger's voice such as Sonic Generations, although re-using Sonic's drowning sound from Jason Griffith's lines recorded for Brawl, so if Dr. Eggman was going to appear in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, or any Smash games, its highly likely that they would just re-use voice clips from various games Mike Pollock voiced him in, thus Mike wouldn't know about it.

He also didn't confirm or deconfirm anything, simply stating he wouldn't talk about it once again.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

I’m willing to bet money that if the new character is a stereotypical badass like Doomguy or Dante. Dharkon is going to be murdered.

 

[PacificFun]

Not really. Super Smash Bros. often re-uses voice clips, with Sonic recycling voice clips from various games using Roger's voice such as Sonic Generations, although re-using Sonic's drowning sound from Jason Griffith's lines recorded for Brawl, so if Dr. Eggman was going to appear in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, or any Smash games, its highly likely that they would just re-use voice clips from various games Mike Pollock voiced him in, thus Mike wouldn't know about it.

He also didn't confirm or deconfirm anything, simply stating he wouldn't talk about it once again.

Fair

 

[DarthEnderX]

As soon as I see “not actual gameplay” I know what it is.

So when the Splatoon 3 trailer started, did you think it was another Smash reveal?

 

[Shroob]

I’m willing to bet money that if the new character is a stereotypical badass like Doomguy or Dante. Dharkon is going to be murdered.

Actually


Hero showed up with Dharkon in his trailer

And Galeem with Sephiroth


The Hero of Light "defeated?" the dark


The most evil villain killed the light

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Actually


Hero showed up with Dharkon in his trailer

And Galeem with Sephiroth


The Hero of Light "defeated?" the dark


The most evil villain killed the light

Yes, but Dharkon was never actually killed. Rather his minions were beat up, leaving the door open for a simple murder.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Random thought:
If Rayman ever becomes a playable fighter (I'm 90% convinced he's either a Fighter or Deluxe Mii Brawler), I hope that his "gimmick" is that his aerial moves stop all momentum as they come out so he stays in place(imagine Jigglypuff's Pound). That's how Rayman's aerial moves work in Rayman Legends. That would make him the king of aerial combat, which would be fitting for a Platforming mascot.

I'd actually hope he's based more on Rayman 1 than Origins/Legends for his general punches, just tossing out his fist that then comes back to him. It's uniquely Rayman and can't be replicated by anyone else, while his moves in the newer games are mostly just regular punches and kicks. Some newer moves could be squeezed in, the kick he does in the air would make for a great bair, and the slam is perfect dair material, but otherwise his jab and nair should be:

But Splatoon 3 opened with "Not actual gameplay footage"

When I saw the cliffs I had to double take because I thought they were about to start and end with Smash.

 

[KillerCage]

Speaking of spiritual successors to classic action platformers, have any of y'all ever played The Messenger? It’s a platformer/metroidvania styled after Ninja Gaiden. High key, it’s one of the best platformers I’ve ever played. I probably enjoyed it more than any Ninja Gaiden game, and I might even say it’s my absolute favorite metroidvania.

Here's a track from it that would be perfect for Smash:

I have actually beaten this game last year.
Quite a fun title!

 

[Aerospherology]

So when the Splatoon 3 trailer started, did you think it was another Smash reveal?

Almost

 

[Ben Holt]

I'd actually hope he's based more on Rayman 1 than Origins/Legends for his general punches, just tossing out his fist that then comes back to him. It's uniquely Rayman and can't be replicated by anyone else, while his moves in the newer games are mostly just regular punches and kicks. Some newer moves could be squeezed in, the kick he does in the air would make for a great bair, and the slam is perfect dair material, but otherwise his jab and nair should be:

Why not both and make this a Special move? Regular A moves are generally more quick and jabby like the punches in Legends.
A slower boomerang punch could easily work as a Side-B like Link and K. Rool's Side-B boomerangs.

 

[PacificFun]

I honestly wasn't thinking anything when the Splatoon 3 trailer started because Skyward Sword HD (and most of the Direct) kind of had me deflated a bit. But once it went on just a little longer, I could tell it was Splatoon 3.

 

[Perkilator]

So when the Splatoon 3 trailer started, did you think it was another Smash reveal?

Yep, can confirm I’m guilty of that myself. I was mainly thrown off by the “Not actual gameplay footage”, which I remember more for being part of Smash reveals.

 

[MrMcNuts]

I'd actually hope he's based more on Rayman 1 than Origins/Legends for his general punches, just tossing out his fist that then comes back to him. It's uniquely Rayman and can't be replicated by anyone else, while his moves in the newer games are mostly just regular punches and kicks. Some newer moves could be squeezed in, the kick he does in the air would make for a great bair, and the slam is perfect dair material, but otherwise his jab and nair should be:

I'm kinda in the camp that telescopic fist would make a great special but if done right I'd be down for it being his jab and nair. I also wouldn't mind some origins legends moves but part of me hopes sakurai looks at Rayman's limblesa properties and uses his creative freedom to put together some bizarre moves no one else can do!

 

[Shroob]

Yep, can confirm I’m guilty of that myself. I was mainly thrown off by the “Not actual gameplay footage”, which I remember more for being part of Smash reveals.

First thing that came to my lips

"WAIT MONSTER HUNTER TOO?"


Guilty as charged

 

[JamesDNaux]

Why not both and make this a Special move? Regular A moves are generally more quick and jabby like the punches in Legends.
A slower boomerang punch could easily work as a Side-B like Link and K. Rool's Side-B boomerangs.

Mega Man.

Rayman's fists are central to his kit, and he throws out his fist plenty quick as seen in the GIF. Having his normal punch be a special move would be kinda weird and would eat up a spot that could be used for his other stuff like the charge shot from 2 or one of the washing powders from 3.

He could have the punch combo from Legend as a forward air like Bayonetta while his nair does the telescopic business. One way to do it would be to limit him to what he has, two fists, let him toss out two nairs quickly but then the move does nothing until his fists return, sort of an Olimar if his pikmin were projectiles that came back and were also fists. This would also make his other moves (besides kicks) useless while his fists are flying, making it a strategic decision of when and how to punch.

I'm kinda in the camp that telescopic fist would make a great special but if done right I'd be down for it being his jab and nair. I also wouldn't mind some origins legends moves but part of me hopes sakurai looks at Rayman's limblesa properties and uses his creative freedom to put together some bizarre moves no one else can do!

Just feels like a terribly wasted opportunity to make his punch a special move when it's... not. It's just his normal means of attack.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Sakurai did a second Pic of the Day for Star Fox.

1993年のきょう『Star Fox』発売!!
スーパーFXチップ搭載により、スーパーファミコンで3Dポリゴンシューティングを表現したスゴい作品。
スマブラに出てくるアンドルフは､この初代版です｡いい味出してます｡#スマブラSP pic.twitter.com/7BKOElqatG

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) February 21, 2021

 

[Idon]

I'm probably the only one that went "SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI V NEWS!?"

 

[N3ON]

I wish I could monetize my preternatural intuition as when to a trailer will or won't be for Smash from the first few seconds, but unfortunately it's an absolutely useless skill in 99.9999999% of situations. xD

Closest thing would be streaming myself screaming like a lunatic in a low-cut top whenever something happens. But nah.

 

[ahemtoday]

I'm probably the only one that went "SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI V NEWS!?"

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That... would be one heck of a crossover. What would that even be?

 

[SharkLord]

That... would be one heck of a crossover. What would that even be?

Shin Megami Tensei but instead of Bibical figures it's kaiju and Lovecraftian horrors

 

[Sysreq]

Call me a dumdum but I had no idea the trailer was smash. And I'm actually glad for that because it made the reveal that much more awesome and exciting for me. I was just confused and thought maybe it was more content for XC2; I honestly didn't know what to think.

 

[Shroob]

I wish I could monetize my preternatural intuition as when to a trailer will or won't be for Smash from the first few seconds, but unfortunately it's an absolutely useless skill in 99.9999999% of situations. xD

Closest thing would be streaming myself screaming like a lunatic in a low-cut top whenever something happens. But nah.

But screaming at Smash reveals is a legit money making strategy.

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

I actually thought Splatoon 3 was going to be a single player spin-off game. Then they took off the cape and I got mildly disappointed because I don't care for shooters.

Don't ask me why I expected a Splatoon related game to not be a shooter. I was having a rough day.

 

[Shroob]

Shin Megami Tensei but instead of Bibical figures it's kaiju and Lovecraftian horrors

Bold of you to assume that SMT didn't have Lovecraftian horrors.

...I'd post SMT's Cthulhu but uhhhh

 

[DarthEnderX]

Call me a dumdum but I had no idea the trailer was smash.

I didn't realize it until, like, the 3rd time Rex was like, "Where has she gone?" And then I was like, "Oh goddamnit, she's in Smash..."

 

[JamesDNaux]

I actually thought Splatoon 3 was going to be a single player spin-off game. Then they took off the cape and I got mildly disappointed because I don't care for shooters.

Don't ask me why I expected a Splatoon related game to not be a shooter. I was having a rough day.

I'd kill for a single player Sploon spinoff. I loved everything about Sploon besides... the gameplay. I mean, it was fun, but I far prefer a good single player experience to a multiplayer one and the campaign was kinda lacking.

The irony of saying this on a Smash forum does not escape me. Bring back Subspace.