Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Among Waddle Dees]

So far the 2nd Fighters Pass filled most of the most glaring holes from the base game's content:

• Lack of ARMS music
• 2 FFVII tracks
• only

The last 2 slots are gonna be interesting.

And outside of Wario, I don't think there's any first-party IP that is severely lacking in representation now.

Kirby has it pretty bad, too. Granted, the fighters are an alright medley of what Kirby is, but not everything else. While Wario at least has some semblance of varied representation, Kirby's still stuck in the past and is more comparable to the anime of two decades ago.

But it's super dicey whether that will ever be acknowledged or approached.

 

[Perkilator]

So far the 2nd Fighters Pass filled most of the most glaring holes from the base game's content:

• Lack of ARMS music
• 2 FFVII tracks
• only

The last 2 slots are gonna be interesting.

And outside of Wario, I don't think there's any first-party IP that is severely lacking in representation now.

I can name a 3rd party, high speed hedgehog who could use that same love.

 

[Phoenix Douchebag]

The fact that "TWO SONGS!" became a meme, and pretty much we all understood what it meant without having to think... kinda speaks volumes to that lol.

....so glad that meme's dead.

Remember when people mocked FF for having two songs while DQ had 8?

Now FF has 11 tracks and don't sound like Joel putting **** through a midi file.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Remember when people mocked FF for having two songs while DQ had 8?

Now FF has 11 tracks and don't sound like Joel putting **** through a midi file.

I'm pretty sure that DQ had those jokes too, I remember them being framed as "Lol Square is stingy, 2 songs per character" as the alts are different characters instead of different costumes

 

[Guynamednelson]

Now FF has 11 tracks and don't sound like Joel putting **** through a midi file.

IMO the FFVII tracks sound more MIDI than DQ's. At least they're not ripped from the PC version where Windows' default MIDI soundfont is used instead of FFVII's own.

 

[Garteam]

Now FF has 11 tracks and don't sound like Joel putting **** through a midi file.

Between the Dragon Quest midis, Dark Luigi becoming a thing through World of Light, and Sans, I honestly think Joel is consulting with Sakurai.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

So far the 2nd Fighters Pass filled most of the most glaring holes from the base game's content:

• Lack of ARMS music
• 2 FFVII tracks
• only

The last 2 slots are gonna be interesting.

And outside of Wario, I don't think there's any first-party IP that is severely lacking in representation now.

I'd say Punch-Out is pretty lacking but not "needs another character and a stage" levels of lacking.
Then there's poor ROB who's never had a stage and had to make do with the NES's table scraps
And ones that are not lacking in representation so much as modern representation are Pokemon and Kirby.

 

[Flyboy]

Going to be honest and I can't believe I'm saying this (Rie, I was wrong) but I think Octoling/a Splatoon 2 character like Off The Hook genuinely has a shot now. If we look at this pass as somewhat filling in gaps, we only have Splatoon 1 stuff represented in a big way, with only a few costumes and spirits and music tracks to represent Splatoon 2/the Octo-Expansion. This puts Splatoon 2 in a very similar situation to Xenoblade Chronicles 2.

Combine that with the fact that we are getting Splatoon 3 and you can play as Octolings from the get go in that game and you know that this is now a BIG Nintendo franchise and the Octolings are officially the "second half" of that IP.

I don't think they're suddenly super duper likely and confirmed or anything, but the similarities are so striking that it makes me raise an eyebrow. Personally I think adding the new weapons will make an Octoling rep very cool and unique - we don't have a dual-wielder in Smash yet. And as Pyra has shown they don't even need to specifically go with the Octolings, they could go for Marina & Pearl, or DJ Octavio.

Just food for thought.

 

[Deleted member]

"Glaring holes" doesn't work because its so dang subjective. What if I said Fire Emblem had glaring holes because certain arcs had no characters? Or Pokemon had glaring holes because Gen 3 and Gen 5 had no Pokemon?

It just doesn't work.

Pretty much the only universally agreed upon thing was that Final Fantasy should have more. You're gonna be hard pressed to find another franchise who had it as bad as Final Fantasy.

Hence why I added "severely".

People can argue over Zelda and Kirby content, but it's pretty much agreed that they didn't have it as bad as poor Wario.

 

[Dinoman96]

The one thing that makes me really doubt a new Splatoon character is the fact that they've already released Callie and Marie Mii outfits alongside Min Min.

I think if a new Splatoon rep was in the cards, they would of held those back for that. Kinda like why I don't expect a new Zelda character either, because they already made the Ancient Soldier Gear outfit a bonus for buying FP2.

 

[Opossum]

Hence why I added "severely".

People can argue over Zelda and Kirby content, but it's pretty much agreed that they didn't have it as bad as poor Wario.

I'll be honest, I really don't see how Wario has it "bad" when his own game's characters are far more niche than those of other series. Ashley was pretty much the only one to break that but that break happened too late to matter.

 

[rexfan53]

Byleth's explosion for down b and Joker's side b, though darkness, appear fire-like.

It's more like an aura, they don't do burn effects

 

[ZenythSmash]

Speak of the devil. As predicted.

Huh, "soundtrack theory" actually sounds interesting.
Maybe it seems Pyra/Mythra really are the last 1st party choices. But who knows?

 

[Flyboy]

The one thing that makes me really doubt a new Splatoon character is the fact that they've already released Callie and Marie Mii outfits alongside Min Min.

I think if a new Splatoon rep was in the cards, they would of held those back for that. Kinda like why I don't expect a new Zelda character either, because they already made the Ancient Soldier Gear outfit a bonus for buying FP2.

That is also a very fair point. I forgot they came with Min Min (which is shameful considering I keep the costume and character list updated) and thought they came earlier.

Perhaps a hypothetical pass 3 then.

 

[rexfan53]

The one thing that makes me really doubt a new Splatoon character is the fact that they've already released Callie and Marie Mii outfits alongside Min Min.

I think if a new Splatoon rep was in the cards, they would of held those back for that. Kinda like why I don't expect a new Zelda character either, because they already made the Ancient Soldier Gear outfit a bonus for buying FP2.

It's too early for another splatoon character lol. Unless they do an echo pass

Huh, "soundtrack theory" actually sounds interesting.
Maybe it seems Pyra/Mythra really are the last 1st party choices. But who knows?

i think it's more like Pyra and Mythra are the last first party/third party characters from an EXISTING SERIES. So a lot of people can still happen, they just won't be from an existing series. I could see something like captain toad or any spin off being listed as a separate series.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Going to be honest and I can't believe I'm saying this (Rie, I was wrong) but I think Octoling/a Splatoon 2 character like Off The Hook genuinely has a shot now. If we look at this pass as somewhat filling in gaps, we only have Splatoon 1 stuff represented in a big way, with only a few costumes and spirits and music tracks to represent Splatoon 2/the Octo-Expansion. This puts Splatoon 2 in a very similar situation to Xenoblade Chronicles 2.

Combine that with the fact that we are getting Splatoon 3 and you can play as Octolings from the get go in that game and you know that this is now a BIG Nintendo franchise and the Octolings are officially the "second half" of that IP.

I don't think they're suddenly super duper likely and confirmed or anything, but the similarities are so striking that it makes me raise an eyebrow. Personally I think adding the new weapons will make an Octoling rep very cool and unique - we don't have a dual-wielder in Smash yet. And as Pyra has shown they don't even need to specifically go with the Octolings, they could go for Marina & Pearl, or DJ Octavio.

Just food for thought.

Watch Octoling be the first announced for a Free Echo Pass consisting of three characters as a final thanks from Sakurai after the DLC finishes.

That or all three are announced right away.

 

[ZenythSmash]

Speaking of Tales, has this been posted yet?
It's a poll done by Netorabo (it's an otaku focused news site).

【テイルズシリーズ】人気主人公TOP10！　1位は「ユーリ・ローウェル」に決定！【2021最新投票結果】（2/2） | ゲーム ねとらぼリサーチ

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It only had valid votes of 7,737 so it wasn't that big of a poll but here are the results.
The question was "Who is your favorite Tales of protagonist?"

1 Yuri Lowell 1669
2 Luke fon Fabre 950
3 Reid Hershel 693
4 Lloyd Irving 657
5 Ludger Will Kresnik 555
6 Velvet Crowe 536
7 Asbel Lhant 441
8 Cress Albane 386
9 Stahn Aileron 382
10 Sorey 232
11 Milla Maxwell 180
12 Emil Castagnier 162
13 Veigue Lungberg 143
14 Jude Mathis 143
15 Kyle Dunamis 140
16 Ruca Milda 124
17 Senel Coolidge 90
18 Kor Meteor 58
19 Caius Qualls 49
20 Allen 48
21 Kanata Hjuger 38
22 Ix Nieves 34
Others 27

Yuri can't stop winning bros.

 

[Flyboy]

Watch Octoling be the first announced for a Free Echo Pass consisting of three characters as a final thanks from Sakurai after the DLC finishes.

That or all three are announced right away.

Octolings don't make sense as an echo because they'd have dual wielding guns and an entirely different arsenal. Semi-clone, yes, but free echo, no.

 

[rexfan53]

Zelda is kind of lacking. There hasn't been a newcomer since Brawl with Toon Link. Dixie Kong is also still missing . Sonic could use a character, but am not a fan

Zelda isn't lacking since the characters in smash are the most consistent within the series. I feel like the characters just need changes.

 

[MooMew64]

Going to be honest and I can't believe I'm saying this (Rie, I was wrong) but I think Octoling/a Splatoon 2 character like Off The Hook genuinely has a shot now. If we look at this pass as somewhat filling in gaps, we only have Splatoon 1 stuff represented in a big way, with only a few costumes and spirits and music tracks to represent Splatoon 2/the Octo-Expansion. This puts Splatoon 2 in a very similar situation to Xenoblade Chronicles 2.

Combine that with the fact that we are getting Splatoon 3 and you can play as Octolings from the get go in that game and you know that this is now a BIG Nintendo franchise and the Octolings are officially the "second half" of that IP.

I don't think they're suddenly super duper likely and confirmed or anything, but the similarities are so striking that it makes me raise an eyebrow. Personally I think adding the new weapons will make an Octoling rep very cool and unique - we don't have a dual-wielder in Smash yet. And as Pyra has shown they don't even need to specifically go with the Octolings, they could go for Marina & Pearl, or DJ Octavio.

Just food for thought.

All this love I'm seeing for Octoling's chances now as someone who's been holding out for them since pre-release has just gotten me:

Even if they don't make it in, I'm just so happy to see them taken as a serious contender now. Feels so odd to not view them as a complete pipedream for this game.

Anyone here who knows me knows I'll lose it if they make it in, lol.

 

[RileyXY1]

Octolings don't make sense as an echo because they'd have dual wielding guns and an entirely different arsenal. Semi-clone, yes, but free echo, no.

They play pretty similar in Splatoon 2.

 

[Paraster]

Huh, "soundtrack theory" actually sounds interesting.
Maybe it seems Pyra/Mythra really are the last 1st party choices. But who knows?

I don't think first vs third party is relevant here, only whether a character is from a series already in Smash. We could get Isaac or Akira Howard and they'd both still count for adding new slots to the sound test.

Octolings don't make sense as an echo because they'd have dual wielding guns and an entirely different arsenal. Semi-clone, yes, but free echo, no.

They wouldn't need to have all that; I literally made a moveset in the past that just gives them different versions of the weapons Inkling already had.

They would use the same attacks and weapon types as Inkling, but use different specific weapons that would affect how they play.

• Inkbrush -> Octobrush. Slower, but longer reach.
• Slosher -> Explosher. Slower, but more powerful.
• Blaster -> Grim Range Blaster. Slower, but longer reach. (Grim was specifically chosen due to how similar the appearances of the default and Range Blasters are.)
• Splattershot -> Octo Shot. Functionally identical.
• Splat Roller -> Dynamo Roller. Slower, and doesn't bury opponents, but does more damage and gives super armor during it (though only temporarily).
• Splat Bomb -> Suction Bomb. Does more damage, but doesn't roll and lingers for longer before exploding.

Their new Final Smash would be Booyah Bomb. Octoling hovers in the air while holding a large ball of ink. A reticle appears on screen (a la Giga Bowser Punch or Lightning Chariot), and when B is hit again or time runs out, the Octoling throws the bomb to that spot, where it explodes in a large, swirling burst.

They COULD get different weapon types, but it'd be perfectly plausible for them to be an Echo as well.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Going to be honest and I can't believe I'm saying this (Rie, I was wrong) but I think Octoling/a Splatoon 2 character like Off The Hook genuinely has a shot now. If we look at this pass as somewhat filling in gaps, we only have Splatoon 1 stuff represented in a big way, with only a few costumes and spirits and music tracks to represent Splatoon 2/the Octo-Expansion. This puts Splatoon 2 in a very similar situation to Xenoblade Chronicles 2.

Combine that with the fact that we are getting Splatoon 3 and you can play as Octolings from the get go in that game and you know that this is now a BIG Nintendo franchise and the Octolings are officially the "second half" of that IP.

I don't think they're suddenly super duper likely and confirmed or anything, but the similarities are so striking that it makes me raise an eyebrow. Personally I think adding the new weapons will make an Octoling rep very cool and unique - we don't have a dual-wielder in Smash yet. And as Pyra has shown they don't even need to specifically go with the Octolings, they could go for Marina & Pearl, or DJ Octavio.

Just food for thought.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I said the other day.

Granted, it's pretty much a guess and the Miis are a big hit against it, sure, but at the same time it just makes a lot of sense, especially if they're the last pack.

 

[Clumsyzephyr]

The reason we'd want octolings as a semi clone or fully unique character is because of how many weapons aren't currently represented by the inklings in smash. Inklings only have around half the main weapons, there's also a ton of sub and specials they could pull from too. It'd be a character representing content from 2 and its dlc

 

[MooMew64]

Oh, and as for Pass 3: I'm still standing my ground FP11 is it, and if we get a Christmas miracle, maybe some bonus Echoes to round it out.

I was wrong about Pass 2, but I'm still not holding my breath on being wrong again. I just don't really feel a Pass 3, y'know? Pass 2 was already very, very strange for Nintendo as usually they throw their game's to the wolves and move on almost immediately; I don't know if we'll see them extend Smash again after it was already a very atypical thing for them.

People point out how "Nintendo would have to hate money to not do it", but that's never stopped them from not doing something before, lol. Nintendo sits on a goldmine of legacy content they could sell the heck out of, but they just sit on it like an old miser with their money.

 

[rexfan53]

All this love I'm seeing for Octoling's chances now as someone who's been holding out for them since pre-release has just gotten me:

Even if they don't make it in, I'm just so happy to see them taken as a serious contender now. Feels so odd to not view them as a complete pipedream for this game.

Anyone here who knows me knows I'll lose it if they make it in, lol.

I feel like it's more likely for post DLC. I wish u the best of luck and hope it happens bro!

 

[Ivander]

Bold of you to assume Pass 3 wouldn't be done by 2023.

Yeah, this is one of the reasons why I'm not expecting a 3rd Pass. It has been 2 years and 2-3 months since Smash Ultimate was first released and more than likely, the last DLC character will be released before or around December. While a couple individual DLCs might be possible, at that point, they are more than likely focusing on making the next Smash game compared to making another Fighter Pass that will go through Year 4-5 in Smash Ultimate's lifespan.

Like as much as a 3rd Pass would be cool and despite how much we want to keep living the dream of all these characters in Smash, I doubt Smash Ultimate will be focused on for that long. And at that point, it'll be a guessing game on whether or not the next Smash will continue Ultimate's legacy.

 

[Deleted member]

Quick question. Who would you pick as the final two characters?

Zhao Yun and Zagreus in that order

Koei-Tecmo are looking to be the likeliest to have a fighter in Smash if P/M doesn't happen to come with a Mii Costume of a KT character, and Musou is pretty much their specialty. Put 2 and 2 together, the face of Dynasty Warriors being added to Smash sounds just about right.

Hades is 1 of the most critically acclaimed games of 2020 and can easily be Supergiant's magnum opus. I do think Nintendo are looking for another character like Byleth where their video game debut came after the release of Ultimate, and with Hades being a Switch Exclusive title from 2020 despite the game being in Early Access in December 2018 as an Epic Exclusive but I like to believe the official release makes Zag a 2020 character, Zagreus would be the perfect candidate to fill that roll for DLC.

Plus I really like to think of how both their trailers would look. Zhao Yun's could be a giant music montage with all sorts of chaotic war **** going on while Zagreus' could have Palutena offering his Smash invitation through a boon where he goes in, dies, has a chat with his dad, and comes back to Smash powered up with boons.

 

[ZenythSmash]

Zelda isn't lacking since the characters in smash are the most consistent within the series. I feel like the characters just need changes.

There's going to be a day Young Link gets reverted to the other younger looking Link, and it's going to be glorious.

 

[rexfan53]

One thing I noticed with splatoon 2 is the same thing I noticed with Xc2. Both have like the bare minimum of music tracks, but that's pretty much it, I'll do some more digging or maybe someone could help me if there is something wrong with the spirits. Xenoblade 2 had weird spirit representation. It was missing every antagonist when they clearly had room for at least one(xc2 had 8 spirits lmao) and Rex's spirit battle was never upgraded to his mii costume despite another character from the game having their spirit battle as their mii(Nia). Rex and Nia were both out launch day so that's odd.

But like I said before(i dont have lots of splatoon knowledge) if someone can look through splatoon 2 content and point out something weird it would help out a lot! Reply to this if u find or know something

 

[Guynamednelson]

One thing I noticed with splatoon 2 is the same thing I noticed with Xc2. Both have like the bare minimum of music tracks, but that's pretty much it, I'll do some more digging or maybe someone could help me if there is something wrong with the spirits. Xenoblade 2 had weird spirit representation. It was missing every antagonist when they clearly had room for at least one(xc2 had 8 spirits lmao) and Rex's spirit battle was never upgraded to his mii costume despite another character from the game having their spirit battle as their mii(Nia). Rex and Nia were both out launch day so that's odd.

But like I said before(i dont have lots of splatoon knowledge) if someone can look through splatoon 2 content and point out something weird it would help out a lot! Reply to this if u find or know something

To be fair, this is the game that properly introduced Splatoon to Smash. It wasn't going to have everything Splatoon-related.

 

[Mapusaurus]

No way octolings are getting in, I think we have a relatively shallow poll of candidates going into e3 (where the pass will end).

 

[3BitSaurus]

To be fair, this is the game that properly introduced Splatoon to Smash. It wasn't going to have everything Splatoon-related.

True, but then again ARMS got literally every song that mattered (unless you were really into the online lobby theme lol) and almost every character as a Spirit after Min Min.

Comparatively, Splatoon 2 has the same amount as Xenoblade 2 had until now (only 3 more than ARMS before Min Min) and a similarly limited music selection.

So I guess you are correct, but if the ARMS and Xenoblade pack can add that much stuff, with the former also being introduced to Smash now, I think Splatoon could too.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

There’s also no Octo Expansion music whatsoever. Just sayin

 

[rexfan53]

No way octolings are getting in, I think we have a relatively shallow poll of candidates going into e3 (where the pass will end).

Post Pass is most likely or echo/semiclones

 

[Staarih]

The only way I could see a third pass happening is the whole "Switch is in the middle of its life cycle" thing and them wanting to support Smash for a longer time. Splatoon 2 support ended a while ago but now we see Splatoon 3 happening. I don't see another Smash happening on the system (as the support for it is still on-going), so they may opt to update the existing one even further. We need, like, Mario Kart 9 to happen on Switch (we are all very much aware that MK8 has lasted for an exceptional time with no new DLC even) to confirm a new "round" of games.

But then again, nothing may happen at all lol. Personally I'm ready for FP2 to be done and dusted and maybe Sakurai could jump to new projects.

 

[rexfan53]

For a post pass/clone/echo pass i think of

Three house lords or one of them being a semiclone o byleth

Octolings echo or semiclone of inkling

Rex being a semiclone of pyra/Mythra

Link number 4

Ms Pac man as a complete pacman echo like daisy is to peach

big boss

Zack Fair

dixie kong

jeanne

Any new fire emblem echo

Most likely candidates for an echo pass imo

 

[BernkastelWitch]

Honestly, regardless if Smash gets a FP3 or not, the mere fact it's been given long term support like this and sales not dwindling at all is a very good sign. Most games, let alone fighting games only last a year of support yet Smash is up there with Street Fighter and Tekken as a long term game. And this shows how future DLC plans for Smash, regardless if it's Ultimate or a sequel will be like.

 

[rexfan53]

There’s also no Octo Expansion music whatsoever. Just sayin

That was the exact case with torna the golden country. Every song that appeared in both xc2 and torna was out (counterattack and all those other important themes). Also sakurai saying fp2 is the last dlc doesn't mean anything because they can still add free characters to the game

 

[Rie Sonomura]

That was the exact case with torna the golden country. Every song that appeared in both xc2 and torna was out (counterattack and all those other important themes). Also sakurai saying fp2 is the last dlc doesn't mean anything because they can still add free characters to the game

I somehow doubt the free characters bit. Maybe at a huge discount and/or as individual characters but not free.