Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[DanganZilla5]

So here's my current mindset on CP11:

• My active prediction is still Arle. She still has a lot of factors going for her (Growing popularity in West, popular in Japan, being pushed hard by Sega, fits very well with the theme of the last fighter being "underwhelming", etc.)
• What my pessimism will say when it takes over my mind right before watching the reveal: Either a Pokemon or Rean Schwarzer
• The character who I really want who has a realistic shot IMO: Phoenix Wright

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

And regardless of his dragon form. People would still whine about Ultimate ending with another "anime swordsman".

Previous game also ended with an anime swordsman with a dragon form, and is still hated by a few people to this day.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

**** it! I'm throwing all bets on Waluigi.

It's just something at this point I can see being pulled off as a final surprise. All hats are thrown from this point until the actual reveal.

 

[Laniv]

No offense to Euden but like


God that would be awkward as **** if he got in.


His game's on the verge of shuttering and then getting in as CP11 would be hella awkward.

Watch him get in and everyone starts deriding him as just "gacha Shulk".

 

[KillerCage]

Delzethin speculating on the final fighter for CP11.

Aside from Euden, I don't think we're getting a Gen 8 Pokemon (or any other Pokemon for that matter) or any of the 4 Champions as FP11.
If anything, his honorable mentions have better shot at getting that spot.

 

[Shroob]

Honestly, as much as others don't like it, I think this is something that I like most about the DLC.


Aside from Banjo, Steve, and to a lesser extent Pythra, pretty much every DLC character as been someone we would have never seen coming.


Plant? Nope.
Joker? Nah.
Hero? Well, ****, the datamine + Vergeben
Terry? No way.
Byleth? Maybe, but during Pass 1, people were set in their ways that it'd be 3rd party only.
Min Min? "Spring Man's an assist, ARMs missed the boat."
Sephiroth? No one expected him.
Kazuya? "It'd be Heihachi if anyone."


And that's what kinda made this DLC.... fun?


I know people will bemoan the lack of picks that appeal to a more hardcore crowd of fans, but I kinda enjoy being surprised more tbh.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

That is, if they do bring the costume back, which we don't know. Maybe they really scrapped the costume for good.


I believe the issue the poster pointed out is that the Mii costumes, like the events, follow a pattern where they are numbered next to each other, except with Joker, Pyra/Mythra and Kazuya. While Joker and Pyra/Mythra have tens of missing numbers, oddly enough, Kazuya only has one straight skip.



If you already negotiatied to have the Mii costumes, it's not that hard to move it whenever you want. Also according to the poster, the Mii costumes with Kazuya are demi-blood characters, which implies the missing costume is also a demi-blood.

Inb4 that Mii Costume is Demifiend.
Edit: Already outdated lol

 

[ARandomFruit]

Watch it be no one mentioned in that video.
Just like how Kazuya wasn't mentioned by most people at all as even a slight possibility.

Instead of it being someone who isn't in the video imagine it being someone who he said was a "red herring".
That's what I always think about after watching the video.

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

Not going to change. I'm still going with Porky, have been for three years.
If I'm allowed two characters then Waluigi. If three, Rayman.
I like purple.

 

[Theguy123]

I see people are placing their bets for who’s last soo I’ll place mine as well.

I’m sticking to my guts and I’m gonna say it’s Layton. I think we’re gonna see the puzzle genre and visual genre represented by someone and I feel it’s gonna be Layton or it’s gonna be arle who represents the puzzle genre

mii costumes i think will be if it’s Layton

shadow, arle, descole, hollow knight and jonsey

if it’s arle then the same lineup but I’d swap arle and Layton around and potentially swap out descole for a puyo puyo character

 

[3BitSaurus]

Delzethin speculating on the final fighter for CP11.

While I don't see a new Zelda rep being added for similar reasons to why I don't see Nahobino being added, and Euden's game is at the beginning stages of shutdown, most of this is pretty reasonable, I'd say.

As far as third party reps go, I'm personally looking to Sega and Capcom - even if my gut tells me it wouldn't be my MWs from either company.

Watch it be no one mentioned in that video.
Just like how Kazuya wasn't mentioned by most people at all as even a slight possibility.

I mean, he was a few times. Before Heihachi's costume came back with Min Min, that is.

Like, I don't think Tekken was slept on at all before that. When talking about Namco reps, people usually defaulted (is that even a word) to Tekken or Tales because of how big they are.

If anything, what made us stop mentioning it is the community's idea of "no overlaps", not a lack of suggestions.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I see people are placing their bets for who’s last soo I’ll place mine as well.

I’m sticking to my guts and I’m gonna say it’s Layton. I think we’re gonna see the puzzle genre and visual genre represented by someone and I feel it’s gonna be Layton or it’s gonna be arle who represents the puzzle genre

mii costumes i think will be if it’s Layton

shadow, arle, descole, hollow knight and jonsey

if it’s arle then the same lineup but I’d swap arle and Layton around and potentially swap out descole for a puyo puyo character

Who’s Descole?

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

Who’s Descole?

Descole outside baby.
A Layton character

 

[Theguy123]

Who’s Descole?

A layton character from the 2nd trilogy. Also he’s layton’s brother.He’d work well as an echo to Layton but I don’t think we’ll get a echo fighter. His theme is a banger. Wish it was on iTunes.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

A layton character from the 2nd trilogy. Also he’s layton’s

Spoiler

. He’d work well as an echo to Layton but I don’t think we’ll get a echo fighter. His theme is a banger. Wish it was on iTunes.

Spoiler

Holy Pandora’s Box those are some spoilers mate

 

[Theguy123]

Spoiler

Holy Pandora’s Box those are some spoilers mate

their fault if they haven’t played the master piece which is the 2nd Layton trilogy

2nd Layton trilogy>>>>>>1st Layton trilogy

 

[Idon]

All I'm saying is that regardless of whatever theory you try to come up with, SMT fits into all of em.

Color Theory? Depending on what character you pick, teal, gold, dark blue, and silver are all free.
Parallel Genre Theory? FE is a shilled RPG to coincide with a recent title.
Unrepresented Company Theory? Sega, and especially Atlus, have been completely absent for the entirety of pass 2.
Mute Theory? None of the protags speak.
Smash Ends on a Disappointment Theory? I think that speaks for itself.

I'm telling yall, all roads lead to SMT.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Fr tho

watch as we get an AT promotion as the last character…

but it’s Ashley

 

[Adrianette Bromide]

All I'm saying is that regardless of whatever theory you try to come up with, SMT fits into all of em.

Color Theory? Depending on what character you pick, teal, gold, dark blue, and silver are all free.
Parallel Genre Theory? FE is a shilled RPG to coincide with a recent title.
Unrepresented Company Theory? Sega, and especially Atlus, have been completely absent for the entirety of pass 2.
Mute Theory? None of the protags speak.
Smash Ends on a Disappointment Theory? I think that speaks for itself.

I'm telling yall, all roads lead to SMT.

Crack theory, Jack Frost was supposed to be a costume in Joker's wave but was moved to a wave that fit more

Also I don't know why a Zelda rep has to necessarily "shill" anything. I mean hell, even if it was a BOTW character like a Champion, it could just come with more BOTW and AoC content. By the time Min Min came along, ARMS had been long gone in relevancy but f you, noodle girl time.

 

[MarioRaccoon]

I think we can agree that if its a third party rep, its most likely to be one from an IP minor to Tekken and likely from Japan.

Tekken is top 10 best selling (third party) japanese IPs, so there are lots of options to choose.

In addition, they like to give last DLC spot to a character from a game “that nintendo users are playing right now”, but because of development constraints, its generally from a game whose release was at least ~6 months prior coming into Smash. Both FE Fates and 3 Houses were released around june/july 2015/2019 (Fates was japan first) and were put in smash around january/february of the next year.

Giving this logic, CP11 could possible be from a switch game that was released early this year (or late 2020). But covid ****ed Nintendo’s original release scheduled. So its not that easy to predict.

 

[Ivander]

Fr tho

watch as we get an AT promotion as the last character…

but it’s Ashley

Hey, I'm all for Mario series characters that aren't from the main series.

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

Spoils a seven year old game
Acknowledges it
Likes the post
Confirms it's your fault for not playing it
Leaves

A model for all of us.

All I'm saying is that regardless of whatever theory you try to come up with, SMT fits into all of em.

Color Theory? Depending on what character you pick, teal, gold, dark blue, and silver are all free.
Parallel Genre Theory? FE is a shilled RPG to coincide with a recent title.
Unrepresented Company Theory? Sega, and especially Atlus, have been completely absent for the entirety of pass 2.
Mute Theory? None of the protags speak.
Smash Ends on a Disappointment Theory? I think that speaks for itself.

I'm telling yall, all roads lead to SMT.

The only disappointing ending for me would be a Fire Emblem character using a sword or a starter pokemon. Anything else is a win.

 

[cashregister9]

Fr tho

watch as we get an AT promotion as the last character…

but it’s Ashley

Ashley and Tiki are the 2 assists that if they became playable would make me lose my ****

 

[3BitSaurus]

The only disappointing ending for me would be a Fire Emblem character using a sword or a starter pokemon. Anything else is a win.

...This gave me a mental image of a FE character using a starter Pokémon.

Like, not as a trainer, just swinging a Cinderace or an Inteleon around as if it was a sword.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

I’m starting to feel Sega has the best shot. Likely being either Robotnik, Nobohono, or Jack Frost.

Though I still think Phoenix and a Konami rep are in a good spot, alongside a First Party of course.

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

Manga isn't canon tho.


It's not mentioned at all in any of the Hyrule Historia books afaik.

The Ocarina of Time manga is based off the Japanese version of the game.

 

[Adrianette Bromide]

Good news, your most wanted character gets into Smash. Bad news, the TVA has decided that character created a branch from the sacred timeline and thus your timeline is pruned from existence.

 

[Shroob]

The Ocarina of Time manga is based off the Japanese version of the game.

Okay....? That doesn't mean it's canon though.


Like, the Majora's Mask manga explains the origin of Majora, and that's not canon.

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

Good news, your most wanted character gets into Smash. Bad news, the TVA has decided that character created a branch from the sacred timeline and thus your timeline is pruned from existence.

I'm willing to take that risk. I'm the person who believes in ghosts thanks to Yu-Gi-Oh, and all of the cards I have (both in real life & in Duel Links) come to life at night and party in my room.

 

[MattX20]

Delzethin speculating on the final fighter for CP11.

At least he still thinks Phoenix, Arle, and Amaterasu have a shot. I'd be content with any of those 3

 

[DarthEnderX]

I think it was less a meme and more, "While he has advantage for the first three gyms, he's a poor choice since all the gyms after the first 3 are poor match-ups for him."

Which is ultimately irrelevant, because once you're that far into the game, it's easy to catch your own water and fire Pokemon for the later gyms.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Delzethin speculating on the final fighter for CP11.

We are not getting all 4 Champions, but one of them is still technically possible. Getting one would definitely be a very interesting way to end Smash and it would address what is considered to be one of the biggest missing holes in the base roster (and a significant reason why Skull Kid was a hugely popular request in 2018).

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

I never got the idea of getting 4 champions. Nintendo almost definitely isn’t gonna devote the dev time of 4 potential individual fighters to be put in 1 for some side characters.
If they really wanna promote BOTW2 that bad they’ll pick 1 champion or Impa or something.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Besides the obvious Euden, it's kinda weird to me that people are still clinging onto the notion of there being a new Zelda rep.

Especially since A.) Zelda's anniversary celebration this year turned out to be a nothing burger and B.) BOTW2 is gonna be released way after this game's DLC is done with lol.

Newcomer characters almost never coincide with anniversaries so that point is not a mark against them. Also, they could just.... you know, bring in more content from Breath of the Wild 1, especially as that game only has 5 tracks.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

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Spoils a seven year old game
Acknowledges it
Likes the post
Confirms it's your fault for not playing it
Leaves

A model for all of us.


The only disappointing ending for me would be a Fire Emblem character using a sword or a starter pokemon. Anything else is a win.

I don’t remember Cyndaquill being a weapon type in Three Houses?

 

[Dinoman96]

Newcomer characters almost never coincide with anniversaries so that point is not a mark against them. Also, they could just.... you know, bring in more content from Breath of the Wild 1, especially as that game only has 5 tracks.

I mean those were two of the biggest arguments for a new Zelda character. That it was Zelda's 25th this year, and that it could promote BOTW2's release this year...neither of which came true.

There isn't really any need for a BOTW1 booster pack either when it has a playable character, a stage, some music tracks and dozens of spirits, as well as some Mii outfits.

 

[Idon]

Funny to see how these "front-runners" are more unbelievable than the numerous honorable mentions and long-shots.

Like bro,
Sword n Shield missed the launch date and got spirited with no clear frontrunner pokemon and no, that doesn't mean we're getting Pokemon Trainer 2. That's never happening again.
Dragalia Lost is in its death bed, with its most watched recent videos not reaching FEH's least.
Zelda isn't so unreasonable until you realize his idea is a four-in-one champion fighter.

Actually a little crazy how adamant Delz is when it comes to Pokemon SwSh and BotW when nearly everything points to them missing the bus.

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

Funny to see how these "front-runners" are more unbelievable than the numerous honorable mentions and long-shots.

Like bro,
Sword n Shield missed the launch date and got spirited with no clear frontrunner pokemon.
Dragalia Lost is in its death bed, with its most watched recent videos not reaching FEH's least.
Zelda isn't so unreasonable until you realize his idea is a four-in-one champion fighter.

Actually a little crazy how adamant Delz is when it comes to Pokemon SwSh and BotW when nearly everything points to them missing the bus.

And this is why Chazz'd guys like us hope for a Mega Man rep.


... That pun sounded much better in my head, I apologize.

 

[WahHahaha]

Delzethin speculating on the final fighter for CP11.

Well I disagree with basically every prediction that this guy made, but I respect the effort he put into his video.

 

[CannonStreak]

Hey guys, what are we talking about now?