Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Nekoo]

4, because of whatever company or contract owner Utada Hikaru works for if Smash tries to get the KH tracks made by her or based on her songs.

All of the KH opening are owned to Disney, not Utada Hikaru's label. It's all under Walt Disney Company Music

 

[N3ON]

Come to think of it, what is a SE property that wouldn't have to go through licensing hell?

I don't know about the difficulty of the licensing, but 2B is showing up all over the place, especially in mobile games, so she must not be too hard to acquire. And Yoko Taro doesn't seem particularly discriminating about where she shows up.

The difficulty of bringing Square characters to fruition is probably more on a per-case basis than as a company rule, and characters like the FF7 cast and the DQ protags are closely guarded and highly valued. Whereas others seem a little easier to obtain.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I see people are placing their bets for who’s last soo I’ll place mine as well.

HA-YA-BU-SA! All in!

I think we can agree that if its a third party rep, its most likely to be one from an IP minor to Tekken and likely from Japan.

Okay, I spent most of today playing Psychonauts 2. What did I miss?

Nothing. You spent your day wisely.

 

[Dan Quixote]

All of the KH opening are owned to Disney, not Utada Hikaru's label. It's all under Walt Disney Company Music

Okay but how much could it possibly cost Nintendo to license out two songs from that label? I'm not being facetious here. Just Dance has to license dozens of songs from even bigger music labels like Interscope or Columbia or Epic and those games obviously turn a profit.

 

[Nekoo]

Okay but how much could it possibly cost Nintendo to license out two songs from that label? I'm not being facetious here. Just Dance has to license dozens of songs from even bigger music labels like Interscope or Columbia or Epic and those games obviously turn a profit.

No one would knows beside them.

 

[Sucumbio]

Dang now I have to go watch Rocky IV.

Uh Byleth for smash! Wait...

 

[MBRedboy31]

Okay but how much could it possibly cost Nintendo to license out two songs from that label? I'm not being facetious here. Just Dance has to license dozens of songs from even bigger music labels like Interscope or Columbia or Epic and those games obviously turn a profit.

While this is probably not a super large source of useful information, in Taiko no Tatsujin on the Switch, DLC songs owned by Disney (He’s a Pirate from PotC, the Indiana Jones theme song, and the Star Wars theme song) cost the exact same as other single-song DLCs ($1.49 USD.) There’s also a Disney song in its base game, by the way (the Japanese version of How Far I’ll Go from Moana.) If the licensing costs were particularly extreme, they would need to increase the DLC price for those specific songs, wouldn’t they?

 

[Perkilator]

Okay but how much could it possibly cost Nintendo to license out two songs from that label? I'm not being facetious here. Just Dance has to license dozens of songs from even bigger music labels like Interscope or Columbia or Epic and those games obviously turn a profit.

While this is probably not a super large source of useful information, in Taiko no Tatsujin on the Switch, DLC songs owned by Disney (He’s a Pirate from PotC, the Indiana Jones theme song, and the Star Wars theme song) cost the exact same as other single-song DLCs ($1.49 USD.) There’s also a Disney song in its base game, by the way (the Japanese version of How Far I’ll Go from Moana.) If the licensing costs were particularly extreme, they would need to increase the DLC price for those specific songs, wouldn’t they?

We're still talking about Utada's songs specifically, right?

 

[WahHahaha]

People don't realize that the DLC actually follows a predictable pattern. If you see through this you can predict what kind of characters we get

-A character from a fighting game (Terry, Kazuya)
-First party promotional characters (Min Min, Pyra/Mythra, Byleth)
-A character from a popular JRPG (Hero, Sephiroth)
-A character that is a series/game that is pretty popular all around (Joker, Steve)
-A character that is popular within the fandom (Banjo, ???) *currently the only one we don't have in this pass.

I saw this pattern, which is why I predicted Sol Badguy from Guilty Gear as CP10. I was wrong, it was Kazuya, but we got a fighting game character in this pass. Following this logic, we should get a character popular within the fandom/highly requested as CP11.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

People don't realize that the DLC actually follows a predictable pattern. If you see through this you can predict what kind of characters we get

-A character from a fighting game (Terry, Kazuya)
-First party promotional characters (Min Min, Pyra/Mythra, Byleth)
-A character from a popular JRPG (Hero, Sephiroth)
-A character that is a series/game that is pretty popular all around (Joker, Steve)
-A character that is popular within the fandom (Banjo, ???) *currently the only one we don't have in this pass.

I saw this pattern, which is why I predicted Sol Badguy from Guilty Gear as CP10. I was wrong, it was Kazuya, but we got a fighting game character in this pass. Following this logic, we should get a character popular within the fandom/highly requested as CP11.

You're right but you're not right.

There is a pattern, but you got it all wrong.

Here's the real pattern.

-A character with lots of porn of them (Byleth, Pyra/Mythra)
-A character that makes me wanna die when I play against them (Joker, Min Min)
-A character with unconventional wings (Banjo, Sephiroth)
-A character with four alternate costumes (Hero, Steve)
-A character that has had an official cross over with Street Fighter (Terry, Kazuya)

Ridiculous, isn't it?

Problem is, you can create "patterns" where there aren't any.

Moreover, you didn't see this flipping pattern. This theory has been going around for months. Practically everyone in this thread has heard of it and has mocked it relentlessly because it can be used to fit any narrative.

Before Kazuya, Terry was paired with "another small third party company."

Before Pyra/Mythra, Min Min was "the one first party DLC that got paired with Byleth.

It's bad logic and it can only used retroactively.

 

[WahHahaha]

You're right but you're not right.

There is a pattern, but you got it all wrong.

Here's the real pattern.

-A character with lots of porn of them (Byleth, Pyra/Mythra)
-A character that makes me wanna die when I play against them (Joker, Min Min)
-A character with unconventional wings (Banjo, Sephiroth)
-A character with four alternate costumes (Hero, Steve)
-A character that has had an official cross over with Street Fighter (Terry, Kazuya)

Ridiculous, isn't it?

Problem is, you can create "patterns" where there aren't any.

Moreover, you didn't see this flipping pattern. This theory has been going around for months. Practically everyone in this thread has heard of it and has mocked it relentlessly because it can be used to fit any narrative.

Before Kazuya, Terry was paired with "another small third party company."

Before Pyra/Mythra, Min Min was "the one first party DLC that got paired with Byleth.

It's bad logic and it can only used retroactively.

The theory only has to do with the prospects of adding the character and what benefit it serves to Nintendo. Not what kind of character they are. It seems clear that these are the reasons they are adding characters.

 

[WeirdAlFan101]

People don't realize that the DLC actually follows a predictable pattern. If you see through this you can predict what kind of characters we get

-A character from a fighting game (Terry, Kazuya)
-First party promotional characters (Min Min, Pyra/Mythra, Byleth)
-A character from a popular JRPG (Hero, Sephiroth)
-A character that is a series/game that is pretty popular all around (Joker, Steve)
-A character that is popular within the fandom (Banjo, ???) *currently the only one we don't have in this pass.

I saw this pattern, which is why I predicted Sol Badguy from Guilty Gear as CP10. I was wrong, it was Kazuya, but we got a fighting game character in this pass. Following this logic, we should get a character popular within the fandom/highly requested as CP11.

If this were the case, who could the fan favorite be exactly? Isaac, Shadow, Skull Kid and Waluigi are all Assists, Geno, Lloyd, Dante and Shantae are all Costumed, Sakurai seems to be biased towards older Kirby, so Bandana Dee seems unlikely as well, I can't think of any other big requests there could still hypothetically be to get the last spot.

 

[WahHahaha]

If this were the case, who could the fan favorite be exactly? Isaac, Shadow, Skull Kid and Waluigi are all Assists, Geno, Lloyd, Dante and Shantae are all Costumed, Sakurai seems to be biased towards older Kirby, so Bandana Dee seems unlikely as well, I can't think of any other big requests there could still hypothetically be to get the last spot.

I don't believe AT's are a death sentence, so Waluigi.

 

[N3ON]

People don't realize that the DLC actually follows a predictable pattern. If you see through this you can predict what kind of characters we get

-A character from a fighting game (Terry, Kazuya)
-First party promotional characters (Min Min, Pyra/Mythra, Byleth)
-A character from a popular JRPG (Hero, Sephiroth)
-A character that is a series/game that is pretty popular all around (Joker, Steve)
-A character that is popular within the fandom (Banjo, ???) *currently the only one we don't have in this pass.

I saw this pattern, which is why I predicted Sol Badguy from Guilty Gear as CP10. I was wrong, it was Kazuya, but we got a fighting game character in this pass. Following this logic, we should get a character popular within the fandom/highly requested as CP11.

Oh shoot a character that is pretty popular all around and spans Joker to Steve, why didn't we think of that

 

[osby]

The theory only has to do with the prospects of adding the character and what benefit it serves to Nintendo. Not what kind of character they are. It seems clear that these are the reasons they are adding characters.

I mean, Nintendo doesn't gain any benefits from adding a fighting game character, period. They had to come from popular series which applies to all DLC characters we got so far. Also, doesn't pair Byleth with two characters already prove that there are no 1-1 patterns between passes?

This theory just seems like a way to declare that we're getting an "insert-your-fan-favorite-character" which

I don't believe AT's are a death sentence, so Waluigi.

You just proved.

 

[Mamboo07]

A message about the final DLC fighter:

Who knows the final fighter might be, we'll have to wait.

 

[WahHahaha]

I mean, Nintendo doesn't gain any benefits from adding a fighting game character, period. They had to come from popular series which applies to all DLC characters we got so far. Also, doesn't pair Byleth with two characters already prove that there are no 1-1 patterns between passes?

This theory just seems like a way to declare that we're getting an "insert-your-fan-favorite-character" which



You just proved.

No I didn't prove it. I want Waluigi but also think he will be in the game, I don't know why those 2 can't go hand in hand when Crash fans are allowed to predict him as the "next fighter" for the last 10 challenger packs.

 

[Idon]

Ah I was looking for a reason to use this word today:

 

[Mamboo07]

Ah I was looking for a reason to use this word today:

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Didn't know that was a word.

One I remember is the memes about trashcans and objects looking like crewmates from Among Us.

 

[WahHahaha]

Ah I was looking for a reason to use this word today:

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Damn, I guess the whole fandom is mentally ill then.

What I said isn't even nearly as deranged as some of the patterns I see people come up with in this Fandom. Stop classifying me making a random theory as a side effect of severe mental illness that's just weird.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

One thing I always find funny about "We have to get a fanfave next' is that I feel the fanfaves are only ever allowed to be characters people wanted for a decade, which yeah, they wouldn't be fanfaves if they didn't have that support, but when we look at fanfave requests beyond that, we get **** like idk, Dante, Crash and Master Chief. For some reason, characters like this who are massively popular too don't often get included in those lists of fanfaves. I guess it's the whole seniority ****?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Stop classifying me making a random theory as a side effect of severe mental illness that's just weird.

You didn't make this theory though.

This is something that's been around for months.

Moreover that's not even mental illness, its just how human brains work. We all have that mechanism.

 

[Idon]

Damn, I guess the whole fandom is mentally ill then.

What I said isn't even nearly as deranged as some of the patterns I see people come up with in this Fandom. Stop classifying me making a random theory as a side effect of severe mental illness that's just weird.

That's not... a mental illness.

Everyone does it. It's just a word to describe human tendency to form patterns where there are none.
Y'know, stuff like seeing animals or faces in the clouds.

 

[N3ON]

You're right but you're not right.

There is a pattern, but you got it all wrong.

Here's the real pattern.

-A character with lots of porn of them (Byleth, Pyra/Mythra)
-A character that makes me wanna die when I play against them (Joker, Min Min)
-A character with unconventional wings (Banjo, Sephiroth)
-A character with four alternate costumes (Hero, Steve)
-A character that has had an official cross over with Street Fighter (Terry, Kazuya)

Ridiculous, isn't it?

Problem is, you can create "patterns" where there aren't any.

Moreover, you didn't see this flipping pattern. This theory has been going around for months. Practically everyone in this thread has heard of it and has mocked it relentlessly because it can be used to fit any narrative.

Before Kazuya, Terry was paired with "another small third party company."

Before Pyra/Mythra, Min Min was "the one first party DLC that got paired with Byleth.

It's bad logic and it can only used retroactively.

No, I've cracked it.

A character that sort of has feathers (Banjo/Sephiroth)
A character with y as their second letter (Byleth/Pyra&Mythra)
A character with blue pants (Terry/Steve)
A character that has a formal second costume (Joker/Kazuya)
A stretchy first party that showed up first and caused a ruckus because they weren't a different character from their series (Piranha Plant/Min Min)
A character created by Akira Toriyama (Hero/?)

So the next character probably isn't Crono because of Sephiroth so it's gotta be Goku then.

It's Goku.

 

[WahHahaha]

You didn't make this theory though.

This is something that's been around for months.

Moreover that's not even mental illness, its just human brains work. We all have that mechanism.

I mean yeah I did. I just posted it first and then people kept repeating it. I also made the second chances theory but I didn't know this one also became widespread.

When I posted it again I had no idea it was also posted a million times before

 

[Swamp Sensei]

No, I've cracked it.

A character that sort of has feathers (Banjo/Sephiroth)
A character with y as their second letter (Byleth/Pyra&Mythra)
A character with blue pants (Terry/Steve)
A character that has a formal second costume (Joker/Kazuya)
A stretchy first party that showed up first and caused a ruckus because they weren't a different character from their series (Piranha Plant/Min Min)
A character created by Akira Toriyama (Hero/?)

So the next character probably isn't Crono because of Sephiroth so it's gotta be Goku then.

It's Goku.

My gosh.

It's so obvious and we never saw it.

See this is why N3ON is smarter than the rest of us combined.

 

[Idon]

I have a much more reliable pattern I personally ascribe to:

Joker: Character I didn't personally want.
Hero: Character I didn't personally want.
Banjo: Character I didn't personally want.
Terry: Character I didn't personally want.
Byleth: Character I didn't personally want.
Min Min: Character I didn't personally want.
Steve: Character I didn't personally want.
Sephiroth: Character I didn't personally want.
Pyra & Mythra: Character I didn't personally want.
Kazuya: Character I didn't personally want.

Ergo I can safely surmise that the next and final Smash Bros DLC characterwill be a character I don't personally want!

You may now applaud my impeccable deductive ability.

 

[MarioRaccoon]

It difficult to find patterns honestly.

The only one I’m sure is that Nintendo likes to put traditional fighting games IPs into Smash. We got Ken in base roster, Terry in FP1 and Kazuya in FP2. I imagine the idea is to courage fighting game players into buying smash.

Then it very hard to find a solid pattern.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I have a much more reliable pattern I personally ascribe to:

Joker: Character I didn't personally want.
Hero: Character I didn't personally want.
Banjo: Character I didn't personally want.
Terry: Character I didn't personally want.
Byleth: Character I didn't personally want.
Min Min: Character I didn't personally want.
Steve: Character I didn't personally want.
Sephiroth: Character I didn't personally want.
Pyra & Mythra: Character I didn't personally want.
Kazuya: Character I didn't personally want.

Ergo I can safely surmise that the next and final Smash Bros DLC characterwill be a character I don't personally want!

You may now applaud my impeccable deductive ability.

Sakurai then adds a character you want simply to prove you wrong

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I have a much more reliable pattern I personally ascribe to:

Joker: Character I didn't personally want.
Hero: Character I didn't personally want.
Banjo: Character I didn't personally want.
Terry: Character I didn't personally want.
Byleth: Character I didn't personally want.
Min Min: Character I didn't personally want.
Steve: Character I didn't personally want.
Sephiroth: Character I didn't personally want.
Pyra & Mythra: Character I didn't personally want.
Kazuya: Character I didn't personally want.

Ergo I can safely surmise that the next and final Smash Bros DLC characterwill be a character I don't personally want!

You may now applaud my impeccable deductive ability.

It checks out.

Sorry N3ON, Idon is the new smartest person.

 

[Arcanir]

Sakurai then adds a character you want simply to prove you wrong

This is how Lyn wins.

 

[Idon]

See the thing about "predictable patterns" is they're easily breakable on a whim.
In fact, we already had one that was simple, rock-solid up until it was destroyed, and didn't rely on vague descriptors: FP1 being all 3rd-Party characters.

Joker, Hero, Banjo and Kazooie, Terry- up until that point the signs were clear that we were headed for another company star.
Each of them were prominent characters from companies that did not get a character represented in Ultimate's newcomers...

And then came along Byleth, a relatively small first party character from a game that only had recently come out, whose franchise already got a newcomer (an echo granted), and isn't even close to the most popular characters within said game.

Personally, I'd rather a hard lesson like that not be retaught.

 

[Guynamednelson]

all fp characters plus piranha plant have mouths

cp11 must have a mouth

father genos please make video on mouth theory

 

[Swamp Sensei]

all fp characters plus piranha plant have mouths

cp11 must have a mouth

father genos please make video on mouth theory

Bandana Waddle Dee gets in just to spite you.

 

[Mamboo07]

Bandana Waddle Dee gets in just to spite you.

Waddle Dees can eat without a mouth:

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

No I didn't prove it. I want Waluigi but also think he will be in the game, I don't know why those 2 can't go hand in hand when Crash fans are allowed to predict him as the "next fighter" for the last 10 challenger packs.

Maybe because Crash doesn't already have a role in the game that more than likely hurts his chances?

Just because you try hard doesn't mean you'll make it into the battle, after all.

 

[Shroob]

So, apparently GB/GBC on NSO is now the worst kept secret in the industry.

NSO's 3 year anni is the 17th.


This or next week, I cannot in any way see Nintendo just shadow drop "Hey, Gameboy/Color games are coming to NSO!" on Twitter, means, IMO at least, we're guaranteed a Direct within the next 2 weeks.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Just because you try hard doesn't mean you'll make it into the battle, after all.

Do people take that to mean ATs can’t get in or be reconsidered later? I just thought it was a joke.

Of course they won’t be fighters in the basegame, and of course they can’t add every character considered because that’s not feasible, but there’s no reason they can’t be considered later, just like how Bomberman was considered again and made into a mii costume that looks identical to his AT. Smash wouldn’t be the first game to have a character be both an assist and a playable character, too.

If ATs don’t become playable, it’s not because they’re already ATs.

 

[Mamboo07]

No I didn't prove it. I want Waluigi but also think he will be in the game, I don't know why those 2 can't go hand in hand when Crash fans are allowed to predict him as the "next fighter" for the last 10 challenger packs.

He's already an Assist Trophy.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Do people take that to mean ATs can’t get in or be reconsidered later? I just thought it was a joke.

Of course they won’t be fighters in the basegame, and of course they can’t add every character considered because that’s not feasible, but there’s no reason they can’t be considered later, just like how Bomberman was considered again and made into a mii costume that looks identical to his AT. Smash wouldn’t be the first game to have a character be both an assist and a playable character, too.

If ATs don’t become playable, it’s not because they’re already ATs.

I mean the quote was moreso in jest, but I personally believe that characters that become Assist Trophies will stay that way, at least in that current game. I'm all for upgrades between games (Little Mac, Isabelle, Dark Samus), but even in that Bomberman scenario, while a Mii Costume is better than nothing obviously, it's not quite the same as taking Waluigi and making him a full fledged character for a DLC release.