Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[RetrogamerMax]

You know what Smash really needs though, more robots, there's only ROB and Megaman, where are the robots and mechs and cyborgs and all that good stuff

Speaking of mech fighters, do y'all know which mech fighter I really want?

Does Junior's Clown Car count as a mech?

The Koopaling/Jr. Clown Car is the closest thing we have to a mech fighter in the roster. But technically... Kind of.

 

[Miles of SmashWiki]

There still a chance of a Nintendo rep from a 2021 title, we don’t know their fully lineup. So, who knows.

You mean like these guys? They're debuting in a Nintendo game that comes out in only a few weeks. This is a joke but the game is real.

Spoiler

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I don't know about that, especially if the pass was decided around 2019.

That's what we thought when it came to a Three Houses character for Pass 1 and yet

 

[Ivander]

LOUD TINFOIL CRACKLING
Hey guys I just came up with the dumbest Tales theory on a whim. For maximum dumb, read the attack names in the voice of their user.

DEMON FANG Theory
DEMON FANG Theory runs off the idea that the arte DEMON FANG is emblematic of the Tales series, and a Tales rep needs to have it to properly represent the series. DEMON FANG is a simple technique that sends a wave of energy across the ground. It is usually the first arte your main character learns or starts with, and is generally their main ranged technique. It's pretty similar to Terry's PAWAH WAVE, actually. DEMON FANG is such a staple of the series, it's actually the logo of it
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Due to the move being so integral to the series, I have come to believe that a hypothetical Tales rep absolutely needs to come with DEMON FANG. As such, I have compiled a list of Tales protagonists who can use DEMON FANG and those who can't. Note that I am only counting the "Mothership" (Mainline) titles.

Can use DEMON FANG (Viable)

• Cress Albane (Tales of Phantasia)
• Stahn Aileron (Tales of Destiny)
• Reid Hershel (Tales of Eternia)
• Lloyd Irving (Tales of Symphonia)
• Veigue Lungberg (Tales of Rebirth)
• Caius Qualls (Tales of the Tempest)
• Ruca Milda (Tales of Innocence)
• Emil Castagnier (Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World)
• Kor Meteor (Tales of Hearts R)
• Asbel Lhant (Tales of Graces)
• Ludger Will Kresnik (Tales of Xillia 2)

Cannot use DEMON FANG (Not viable)

• Kyle Dunamis (Tales of Destiny 2)
• Senel Coolidge (Tales of Legendia)
• Yuri Lowell (Tales of Vesperia)
• Jude Mathis (Tales of Xillia)
• Velvet Crowe (Tales of Berseria)

And there you go. DEMON FANG Theory

TINFOIL CRINKLING GETS LOUDER

DEMON FANG is a simple technique that sends a wave of energy across the ground.

Cannot use DEMON FANG (Not viable)

• Senel Coolidge (Tales of Legendia)
• Jude Mathis (Tales of Xillia)

DEMON FIST: "Am I a joke to you?"

 

[SharkLord]

DEMON FIST: "Am I a joke to you?"

Ah %$#@
Uh
It doesn't count only Demon Fang counts I totally didn't forget about the variations-

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I don't know about that, especially if the pass was decided around 2019.

Around the end of 2019. I'm pretty sure Nintendo would be doing a poor job of things if they didn't know what was coming up in a year or two.

 

[Ivander]

Ah %$#@
Uh
It doesn't count only Demon Fang counts I totally didn't forget about the variations-

This is erasure against Demon Fists and Azure Edges.

 

[zumaddy]

Are we really going this many games without a new Zelda rep? Who is so deathly allergic to adding in a character that isn't Link, Ganon or Zelda? Sigggghhh.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Honestly my biggest disappointment with Impa being discounted is that she was the last of my favored first party reps that I thought had a decent chance of getting in. Dixie and Bandana Dee feel like relative longshots and any actual likely Nintendo fighters are ones that I'm just less overall invested in.

 

[Icedragonadam]

I actually think Min Min is the only Nintendo character for the pass. It seems to me like they're not giving themselves preferential to themselves and is willing to be on the same level as the other 3rd party companies in the two passes, as in only having one character per Fighter's Pass.

 

[CureParfait]

Are we really going this many games without a new Zelda rep? Who is so deathly allergic to adding in a character that isn't Link, Ganon or Zelda? Sigggghhh.

I am wondering that too a non-Zelda/Ganon/Link choice would of been somewhat interesting to see.

 

[SharkLord]

This is erasure against Demon Fists and Azure Edges.

Demon Fist, perhaps, but not Azure Edge. The latter is but a substitute, not a variation. And, as noted, DEMON FANG was enough of a stable to become the logo, not Azure Edge. As such, DEMON FANG Theory does not take Azure Edge into account for viability.

 

[PeridotGX]

Around the end of 2019. I'm pretty sure Nintendo would be doing a poor job of things if they didn't know what was coming up in a year or two.

Nintendo in 2015: what the **** is a mario oddessy

 

[Perkilator]

I actually think Min Min is the only Nintendo character for the pass. It seems to me like they're not giving themselves preferential to themselves and is willing to be on the same level as the other 3rd party companies in the two passes, as in only having one character per Fighter's Pass.

We're only halfway through Vol. 2; I still expect at least one more Nintendo character.

 

[zumaddy]

Don't worry guys, I'm certain they'll add at least one first-party character in.

Spoiler

Ephraim from Fire Emblem the Sacred Stones

 

[Guynamednelson]

I actually think Min Min is the only Nintendo character for the pass. It seems to me like they're not giving themselves preferential to themselves and is willing to be on the same level as the other 3rd party companies in the two passes, as in only having one character per Fighter's Pass.

While the idea that there has to be 3 third and 3 first-parties in FP2 could be seen as Smash fans trying to enforce balance, so is acting like Nintendo would only reserve one slot for themselves. Besides, Steve and Sephiroth are more expensive than FP1's most expensive characters, and there's three characters to go. They can't have that much money remaining for licensing.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I do expect at least one more first party by the end of this pass. Maybe not necessarily a promo pick though.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Are we really going this many games without a new Zelda rep? Who is so deathly allergic to adding in a character that isn't Link, Ganon or Zelda? Sigggghhh.

I mean... what if Zelda has some kinda stipulation to it’s playable representation too at least in Smash? Idk... I could see that being a reason tho

like if they really wanted Impa they’d add her by now

 

[zumaddy]

I'm still sticking to my guns from my last prediction: one first-party, one BIG third party for release in the Summer, and one 'lesser' third party who has their fans but won't necessarily blow up the internet.

 

[DarthEnderX]

As for the weapon durability system, I get the idea, but I think it should be tweaked so that switching weapons is positively incentivized rather than negatively enforced, like how World of Warcraft swapped out it's fatigue mechanic (or something of that sort) for a rest bonus. It would also allow you to use the Champions's weapons without the guilt of breaking them, and make the Master Sword not just an "oh crap" button.

Hmm, interesting. So like, instead of weapons breaking, you could "sharpen" them, giving them a large damage boost.

And when their durability is depleated, they just become "dulled" and lose their bonus, incentivizing switching.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Hmm, interesting. So like, instead of weapons breaking, you could "sharpen" them, giving them a large damage boost.

And when their durability is depleated, they just become "dulled" and lose their bonus, incentivizing switching.

To further add into this, if Nintendo really WANTS to keep the breakeable aspect, the dulled state would at least serve as a fair warning, and since you'd be able to re-forge things, it would still incentivize switching so you can preserve your weapon.

Maybe the bonus could be randomized so experience doesn't feel too samey?

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Hmm, interesting. So like, instead of weapons breaking, you could "sharpen" them, giving them a large damage boost.

And when their durability is depleated, they just become "dulled" and lose their bonus, incentivizing switching.

Yeah that sounds like it'd be perfect! It could add more depth to the game and it would incentivize switching without frustrating players.

I really hope they add something just like that in the sequel now.

 

[ZelDan]

No joke question, what's the difference between "dormant" and "dead"

Tbh, I don't think any series is ever really "dead", and "dormant" is what should be used to describe a series that hasn't gotten anything in a very long while. Let's be real, I don't think there is a time a franchise is ever just doomed to never get a game ever for the rest of eternity or whatever, and while some people might scoff at this, keep in mind we have seen various examples of a long abondoned franchise getting attention again. Off the top of my head:

-Kid Icarus became dormant for 2 decades after its gameboy game, and then we got Uprising on the 3DS
-Punch had a game on the SNES in 1994, went dormant, then finally got a new game on the Wii in 2009
-Alot of people gave up hope of ever seeing a new Megaman game, then we got Megaman 11, 8 years after MM10
-DOOM stopped getting new games after Doom 3 in 2004, and then we finally saw DOOM return in 2016 over a decade later. Then fast forward to 2020 and we now have Eternal
-Shenmue 2 was released in 2001, then after having a kickstarter Shenmue managed to get a new game as of 2019
-Bubsy managed to go dormant after Bubsy 3D because...well....you know, but then many years later he managed to get 2 new games lined up for him....and no one even WANTED him back!

Of course there are also times when franchises don't really go dormant but still go in an undesirable direction, but then manage to steer back in a direction that is largely seen as more favorable. Off the top of my head:

-There's Donkey Kong, who after DK64, ended up getting stuck in spinoff hell, leaving many of the more hardcore fans disappointed, then we finally saw DK Returns in 2010, 11 years after DK64
-After Metroid prime 3, Metroid definitely ended up in pretty rough territory. We got Metroid Prime hunters, which had a largely lukewarm or "meh" reception I feel, then we got the cery controversial Other M, THEN we got Metroid prime Federation Force which was controversial for different reasons. After all this a good chunk of Metroid fans were pretty dreary over the future of Metroid, then finally after a decade of divisive titles we get 2 new Metroid titles: Metroid Samus Returns and Metroid Prime 4, the former being a pretty well received Metroid title and the latter, well, being in a pretty iffy spot right now, but hopefully it turns out nicely.

So yeah, if you ever end up thinking "HA! There's no way they'll ever bring THAT back!" Just remember that, hey, it HAS happened before.

 

[GoodGrief741]

LOUD TINFOIL CRACKLING
Hey guys I just came up with the dumbest Tales theory on a whim. For maximum dumb, read the attack names in the voice of their user.

DEMON FANG Theory
DEMON FANG Theory runs off the idea that the arte DEMON FANG is emblematic of the Tales series, and a Tales rep needs to have it to properly represent the series. DEMON FANG is a simple technique that sends a wave of energy across the ground. It is usually the first arte your main character learns or starts with, and is generally their main ranged technique. It's pretty similar to Terry's PAWAH WAVE, actually. DEMON FANG is such a staple of the series, it's actually the logo of it
View attachment 298446
Due to the move being so integral to the series, I have come to believe that a hypothetical Tales rep absolutely needs to come with DEMON FANG. As such, I have compiled a list of Tales protagonists who can use DEMON FANG and those who can't. Note that I am only counting the "Mothership" (Mainline) titles.

Can use DEMON FANG (Viable)

• Cress Albane (Tales of Phantasia)
• Stahn Aileron (Tales of Destiny)
• Reid Hershel (Tales of Eternia)
• Lloyd Irving (Tales of Symphonia)
• Veigue Lungberg (Tales of Rebirth)
• Caius Qualls (Tales of the Tempest)
• Ruca Milda (Tales of Innocence)
• Emil Castagnier (Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World)
• Kor Meteor (Tales of Hearts R)
• Asbel Lhant (Tales of Graces)
• Ludger Will Kresnik (Tales of Xillia 2)

Cannot use DEMON FANG (Not viable)

• Kyle Dunamis (Tales of Destiny 2)
• Senel Coolidge (Tales of Legendia)
• Yuri Lowell (Tales of Vesperia)
• Jude Mathis (Tales of Xillia)
• Velvet Crowe (Tales of Berseria)

And there you go. DEMON FANG Theory

TINFOIL CRINKLING GETS LOUDER

The world will laugh but actually this is what Sakurai meant when he said "Who else but Lloyd?" Everyone thought he meant because he's the most wanted or because Symphonia is the best selling but nah it's because Yuri and Velvet can't use Demon Fang

You mean like these guys? They're debuting in a Nintendo game that comes out in only a few weeks. This is a joke but the game is real.

Spoiler

You have given me an excuse to rant. I have been unleashed

Okay Nintendo why the heck aren't you localizing this game? For anyone who doesn't know what it is (AKA everyone but me) it's called Buddy Mission: BOND, and it's a visual novel developed by Koei Tecmo. You play as four characters (a cop, a thief, a drunken ninja and a dude who looks like Alucard) who are investigating this secret criminal organization. Gameplay consists of two parts, the first one is interrogation and intel gathering and the second is using that information to infiltrate places. It's all done in this cool manga-style and all the artwork is done by Yusuke Murata, the artist for the One-Punch Man manga (!!!)

What I'm saying is this game is rad as hell and we're totally losing out on this one you guys

I mean... what if Zelda has some kinda stipulation to it’s playable representation too at least in Smash? Idk... I could see that being a reason tho

like if they really wanted Impa they’d add her by now

Like the Wahoominati but for Zelda? Interesting, but it needs a catchy name for me to consider it.

 

[Aerospherology]

The world will laugh but actually this is what Sakurai meant when he said "Who else but Lloyd?" Everyone thought he meant because he's the most wanted or because Symphonia is the best selling but nah it's because Yuri and Velvet can't use Demon Fang

You have given me an excuse to rant. I have been unleashed

Okay Nintendo why the heck aren't you localizing this game? For anyone who doesn't know what it is (AKA everyone but me) it's called Buddy Mission: BOND, and it's a visual novel developed by Koei Tecmo. You play as four characters (a cop, a thief, a drunken ninja and a dude who looks like Alucard) who are investigating this secret criminal organization. Gameplay consists of two parts, the first one is interrogation and intel gathering and the second is using that information to infiltrate places. It's all done in this cool manga-style and all the artwork is done by Yusuke Murata, the artist for the One-Punch Man manga (!!!)

What I'm saying is this game is rad as hell and we're totally losing out on this one you guys

Like the Wahoominati but for Zelda? Interesting, but it needs a catchy name for me to consider it.

The Temple of Triforce-ientology

 

[chocolatejr9]

The Temple of Triforce-ientology

Bit of a mouthful. Let's try something shorter.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Bit of a mouthful. Let's try something shorter.

New Hyrule Order. NHO.

 

[Aerospherology]

Bit of a mouthful. Let's try something shorter.

Tingle's Cabal?

 

[RileyXY1]

That's what we thought when it came to a Three Houses character for Pass 1 and yet

However, the main pick (BOTW 2) is out thanks to a Spirit Event, and I don't know who else they are going to add, especially considering most of the rumored lineup for 2021 consists of remakes.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Bit of a mouthful. Let's try something shorter.

The Illumivaati?

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Are we really going this many games without a new Zelda rep? Who is so deathly allergic to adding in a character that isn't Link, Ganon or Zelda? Sigggghhh.

The 10 Smash Commandments:

I. Thus shall be no Zelda newcomers other than another version of thy Triforce welders.

II. Thus shall be one Fire Emblem newcomer in thy base game.

III. Thus shall be one Fire Emblem newcomer as DLC.

IV. Thus shall be one Pokemon newcomer in base game.

V. Thus shall be no non video game characters in thy roster.

VI. Thus shall be no sexy character that enters thy roster without CERO's seal of approval.

VII. Thus shall be no Echos in thy DLC.

VIII. Thus shall no company double dip in thy Fighter's Pass.

IX. Thus no boss shall get promoted as a fighter thy DLC.

X. Thus shall no DLC Mii costume get promoted as a fighter thy DLC.

 

[N3ON]

The Hyruling Class

 

[RileyXY1]

Are we really going this many games without a new Zelda rep? Who is so deathly allergic to adding in a character that isn't Link, Ganon or Zelda? Sigggghhh.

Mostly because those are really the only recurring Zelda characters. Most other Zelda characters are oneshots.

 

[I.D.]

I mean... what if Zelda has some kinda stipulation to it’s playable representation too at least in Smash? Idk... I could see that being a reason tho

like if they really wanted Impa they’d add her by now

If such a thing existed we wouldn't have games like Hyrule Warriors in the first place.
If anything the situation is almost opposite, Sakurai is given more freedom for Mario than other external developers, but does less with Zelda than other external developers.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Mostly because those are really the only recurring Zelda characters. Most other Zelda characters are oneshots.

Impa isn't a one shot. She's been in a lot of the games since the first Legend of Zelda.

 

[RileyXY1]

Impa isn't a one shot. She's been in a lot of the games since the first Legend of Zelda.

But still, she's out anyways, and unless they want to promote a remake then we're not getting any more Nintendo shillpicks.

 

[chocolatejr9]

But still, she's out anyways, and unless they want to promote a remake then we're not getting any more Nintendo shillpicks.

Remakes, eh?

Fire Emblem's been rumored to be getting another remake... insert devil emoji here

 

[Sophitia]

But still, she's out anyways, and unless they want to promote a remake then we're not getting any more Nintendo shillpicks.

What's a shillpick?

 

[RetrogamerMax]

But still, she's out anyways, and unless they want to promote a remake then we're not getting any more Nintendo shillpicks.

But still, that doesn't mean she's out for future Smashes. Impa is literally the most iconic non Triforce character in the series.

 

[SharkLord]

Impa isn't a one shot. She's been in a lot of the games since the first Legend of Zelda.

I think the issue with Impa is that she's never had a real consistent portrayal, and she hasn't had many prominent roles either. For a while I think the version of her people rallied behind was the Hyrule Warriors one, which wasn't even canon. I think one thing that was going for AoC Impa was that she was a canon portrayal... But she's dead now, so RIP