Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[SKX31]

Okay Nintendo why the heck aren't you localizing this game? For anyone who doesn't know what it is (AKA everyone but me) it's called Buddy Mission: BOND, and it's a visual novel developed by Koei Tecmo. You play as four characters (a cop, a thief, a drunken ninja and a dude who looks like Alucard) who are investigating this secret criminal organization. Gameplay consists of two parts, the first one is interrogation and intel gathering and the second is using that information to infiltrate places. It's all done in this cool manga-style and all the artwork is done by Yusuke Murata, the artist for the One-Punch Man manga (!!!)

Glances at the Famicom Detective Club remake. Then at WWE Battlegrounds.

The answer is probably "Nintendo doesn't think that there are enough anime / manga fans ready to swallow this" (Which doesn't make much sense, but Nintendo moves really slowly on those matters.)

The Illumivaati?

The Hyruling Class

The Call of Aghanim. Dead but Dreaming.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

What's a shillpick?

Any dumb stupid character that I don't want, yet still gets in by some odds

 

[RileyXY1]

What's a shillpick?

A character who is added to Smash for the sole reason of promoting a recently released or soon to be released game.

 

[SharkLord]

Oh hey here's a fake leak for us to laugh at

@EpicRayBacon Se ha filtrado una lista de juegos de Nintendo para 2021 en Reddit y luego a sido borrada a los 5 minutos. ¿ Qué piensas al respecto? pic.twitter.com/7rzUfHpgLP

— Juan Delgado (@Rodrigo90092215) January 5, 2021

Path of Radiance remake
Ike is the Fire Emblem shillpick of FP2

pog

 

[I.D.]

The oneshot thing is such bull**** anyway
If a character that is only relevant in one game gets in is because "rotating casts"
If a character that is only relevant in one game doesn't get in is because "oneshots"
One of the best examples of post-fact rationalizations in the smash fanbase

 

[Sophitia]

A character who is added to Smash for the sole reason of promoting a recently released or soon to be released game.

Well, they are also added to bring more to Smash, so that's nobody.

 

[Icedragonadam]

Oh hey here's a fake leak for us to laugh at

@EpicRayBacon Se ha filtrado una lista de juegos de Nintendo para 2021 en Reddit y luego a sido borrada a los 5 minutos. ¿ Qué piensas al respecto? pic.twitter.com/7rzUfHpgLP

— Juan Delgado (@Rodrigo90092215) January 5, 2021

Path of Radiance remake
Ike is the Fire Emblem shillpick of FP2

pog

Oh boy, various Nintendo series is declaring a softwar!

 

[zumaddy]

People use the term shillpick unironically? That's a bit cringe epic chungus

Any existing first party is a shillpick by definition.

 

[Perkilator]

What's a shillpick?

A character who's only added out of relevancy.

So basically, the only kind of Nintendo reps anyone expects these days, and purely out of doom and gloom.

 

[SKX31]

Oh hey here's a fake leak for us to laugh at

@EpicRayBacon Se ha filtrado una lista de juegos de Nintendo para 2021 en Reddit y luego a sido borrada a los 5 minutos. ¿ Qué piensas al respecto? pic.twitter.com/7rzUfHpgLP

— Juan Delgado (@Rodrigo90092215) January 5, 2021

Path of Radiance remake
Ike is the Fire Emblem shillpick of FP2

pog

OH BOY, IS IT TIME FOR

IKE CLIMBERS?

 

[RileyXY1]

And in terms of remakes, I was talking about Pokemon.

 

[N3ON]

I think the issue with Zelda is that Sakurai seems hesitant to include characters that aren't part of the main three, there isn't enough sustained demand for any of the options to prompt reconsideration, and it's not a series Nintendo pushes Sakurai to include.

In terms of importance Impa is obviously next in line but I think another problem for her is the titles that gave her the greatest demand, being both HW games, aren't the kind of games Smash values much, being spin-offs. Within the main series, she's very rarely suited for playability.

And that shouldn't be a problem, because obviously she can be made playable easily; there's plenty to work with. But it may be a problem given how Smash tends to operate.

Failing Impa, none of the other characters seem of heightened importance, really. There's Tingle, but Nintendo has shied away from using him. You'd have to fall back on popularity, but the most popular character, who seems to be Skull Kid, is only popular for quick bursts, and then recedes to a level that wouldn't get him included. If a burst coincided with something like a ballot, that might help, but it hasn't so far.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Glances at the Famicom Detective Club remake. Then at WWE Battlegrounds.

The answer is probably "Nintendo doesn't think that there are enough anime / manga fans ready to swallow this" (Which doesn't make much sense,

Do not get me started on Famicom Detective Club man

Why is Nintendo making all these super exciting visual novels and pretending that there's no Western market for them in freaking 2021? Even Capcom wised up eventually and now the Meiji-era Ace Attorney is getting a physical release.

Oh hey here's a fake leak for us to laugh at

@EpicRayBacon Se ha filtrado una lista de juegos de Nintendo para 2021 en Reddit y luego a sido borrada a los 5 minutos. ¿ Qué piensas al respecto? pic.twitter.com/7rzUfHpgLP

— Juan Delgado (@Rodrigo90092215) January 5, 2021

Path of Radiance remake
Ike is the Fire Emblem shillpick of FP2

pog

I can believe most of this, but I cannot believe that a franchise as consistently cool as Metroid would name a new game Resurgence. Even Other M and Federation Force at least had cool names.

 

[I.D.]

The oneshot thing is such bull**** anyway
If a character that is only relevant in one game gets in is because "rotating casts"
If a character that is only relevant in one game doesn't get in is because "oneshots"
One of the best examples of post-fact rationalizations in the smash fanbase

I mean, ****, it doesn't even make sense for the Zelda characters we have, Sheik was only in OoT over 2 decades ago, Ganondorf only actually appears in three mainline games total, and people pretend Nintendo actually thinks "wellllllll but they are technically the same character you see" which is pure lol

 

[Icedragonadam]

I think the issue with Zelda is that Sakurai seems hesitant to include characters that aren't part of the main three, there isn't enough sustained demand for any of the options to prompt reconsideration, and it's not a series Nintendo pushes Sakurai to include.

In terms of importance Impa is obviously next in line but I think another problem for her is the titles that gave her the greatest demand, being both HW games, aren't the kind of games Smash values much, being spin-offs. Within the main series, she's very rarely suited for playability.

And that shouldn't be a problem, because obviously she can be made playable easily; there's plenty to work with. But it may be a problem given how Smash tends to operate.

Failing Impa, none of the other characters seem of heightened importance, really. There's Tingle, but Nintendo has shied away from using him. You'd have to fall back on popularity, but the most popular character, who seems to be Skull Kid, is only popular for quick bursts, and then recedes to a level that wouldn't get him included. If a burst coincided with something like a ballot, that might help, but it hasn't so far.

Tingle will never be in Smash because North America really REALLY hates him. Why else is his own two games not localized in NA?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Ah man.

I wasn't expecting Impa but I would have loved her.

This sucks man.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

The oneshot thing is such bull**** anyway
If a character that is only relevant in one game gets in is because "rotating casts"
If a character that is only relevant in one game doesn't get in is because "oneshots"
One of the best examples of post-fact rationalizations in the smash fanbase

Wait a minute... Are these guys not one off characters outside of cameos, other crossovers, and their Smash appearances?

 

[SpecterFlower]

Glances at the Famicom Detective Club remake. Then at WWE Battlegrounds.

The answer is probably "Nintendo doesn't think that there are enough anime / manga fans ready to swallow this" (Which doesn't make much sense, but Nintendo moves really slowly on those matters.)





The Call of Aghanim. Dead but Dreaming.

Im pretty sure Nintendo of America or Europe would want to translate them at some point, I definitely think the Famicom club remake will come out WW 2022+ maybe.

 

[I.D.]

Wait a minute... Are these guys not one off characters outside of cameos, other crossovers, and their Smash appearances?

Those don't count because their games have rotating casts. See? It's that easy.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Wait a minute... Are these guys not one off characters outside of cameos, other crossovers, and their Smash appearances?

Cloud, Sephiroth, Ike and Shulk are not.

 

[Commander_Alph]

Wait up!

AOC is announced and released
Persona 5 Strikers is announced
New Dynasty Warriors game is announced on Switch
And now Impa, Terrako, and Kohga is a spirit event for Age of Calamity.

Am I seeing a pattern for the inevitable Warriors character being in Smash

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Those don't count because their games have rotating casts. See? It's that easy.

But wouldn't that logic also imply for one off Mario and Zelda characters? See it doesn't make any sense.

 

[Ivander]

Fans after the Age of Calamity Spirit reveal:

Here's the source: https://twitter.com/HEYimHeroic/status/1346606098984423424 How properly timed...

 

[PeridotGX]

I just realized something. Of the two recent joint ventures by Nintendo...

Age of Calamity: spirit event a few months after release.

PMD DX:nothing, almost a year after release

 

[Commander_Alph]

Wait a minute... Are these guys not one off characters outside of cameos, other crossovers, and their Smash appearances?

Answer: they're main character/main villain

 

[chocolatejr9]

Wait up!

AOC is announced and released
Persona 5 Strikers is announced
New Dynasty Warriors game is announced on Switch
And now Impa, Terrako, and Kohga is a spirit event for Age of Calamity.

Am I seeing a pattern for the inevitable Warriors character being in Smash

I dub thee "Warriors Theory". May thou last longer than five hours in the speculation scene.

 

[Commander_Alph]

I dub thee "Warriors Theory". May thou last longer than five hours in the speculation scene.

Bless the "Warriors Theory"! I hope everyone remember this.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

However, the main pick (BOTW 2) is out thanks to a Spirit Event, and I don't know who else they are going to add, especially considering most of the rumored lineup for 2021 consists of remakes.

Could be like Min Min and just going backwards?

 

[I.D.]

Cloud, Sephiroth, Ike and Shulk are not.

Ike barely counts because the second game he was relevant in happened to be a direct sequel to the previous title (and most likely not relevant to Sakurai at the time of his inclusion) and I'm gonna have to ask you to clarify Shulk

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Answer: they're main character/main villain

Which is a silly assumption. Like just before Sephiroth, people said 3rd party franchises couldn't get a 2nd unique non Echo rep yet it happened. The assumption that one off side characters can't get in is just a fan rule as if otherwise, Sakurai wouldn't even have considered Geno for Brawl.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Ike barely counts because the second game he was relevant in happened to be a direct sequel to the previous title (and most likely not relevant to Sakurai at the time of his inclusion) and I'm gonna have to ask you to clarify Shulk

Shulk is in Xenoblade 2 in a guest role I think

 

[SharkLord]

Ike barely counts because the second game he was relevant in happened to be a direct sequel to the previous title (and most likely not relevant to Sakurai at the time of his inclusion) and I'm gonna have to ask you to clarify Shulk

I mean, he did show up in Xenoblade Chronicles 2, right?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Ike barely counts because the second game he was relevant in happened to be a direct sequel to the previous title (and most likely not relevant to Sakurai at the time of his inclusion)

Well now you're moving goalposts. Ike is arguably more of the main character of Radiant Dawn then Michaiah is.

and I'm gonna have to ask you to clarify Shulk

His appearance in Xenoblade 2's DLC is major enough to count methinks. It's not a cameo. It's a main selling point of the DLC.

For the record, Elma is in the same situation imo.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I mean, he did show up in Xenoblade Chronicles 2, right?

Shulk? Yep.

 

[N3ON]

Tingle will never be in Smash because North America really REALLY hates him. Why else is his own two games not localized in NA?

It's funny because I've never seen people hate on Tingle so much that it stands out from all the hate that just litters video game discussion anyway. Though Majora's Mask and Wind Waker were both before my time when it comes to following online, so maybe I missed most of it.

In any case, they clearly don't use him anymore outside of non-canon group appearances like HW and Smash, so I'm inclined to agree.

 

[MarioRaccoon]

However, the main pick (BOTW 2) is out thanks to a Spirit Event, and I don't know who else they are going to add, especially considering most of the rumored lineup for 2021 consists of remakes.

This year is very likely that Nintendo will release a Splatoon title, probably a spin-off, maybe they can ask Sakurai to add Octoling?

its true that for this year they are planning pokemon and fire emblem remakes, but they (supposedly) have also plans for new Metroid, Donkey Kong and Mario Sports titles, though I don’t think they will pick fighters from that games.

There are also rumours that next Monolith Soft title is releasing next FY 2021-22, probably by early 2022, so I don’t know if the timing is correct to add a character to smash.

 

[I.D.]

Shulk is in Xenoblade 2 in a guest role I think

I mean, he did show up in Xenoblade Chronicles 2, right?

Yes, as a guest character. If Shulk counts almost no Zelda character is a oneshot either.

Well now you're moving goalposts. Ike is arguably more of the main character of Radiant Dawn then Michaiah is.

I am not moving anything and in fact you are trying to ascribe to me an argument I didn't even make. What I said is that at the time of his inclusion Sakurai only had PoR material to work with.

 

[Commander_Alph]

Which is a silly assumption. Like just before Sephiroth, people said 3rd party franchises couldn't get a 2nd unique non Echo rep yet it happened. The assumption that one off side characters can't get in is just a fan rule as if otherwise, Sakurai wouldn't even have considered Geno for Brawl.

Keyword: considered, Sakurai probably think that at first that Geno could be in simply by demand but after looking into his one and only appearance he probably said "oh..." Also considered ≠ want.

(Edit: I've ****ed up)

I mean if they were wanted to represent Mario RPG they actually can go to Paper Mario instead, for sure that Sakurai don't want to left out his timing gimmick just because the later game doesn't have one.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Keyword: considered, Sakurai probably think that at first that Geno could be in simply by demand but after looking into his one and only appearance he probably said "oh..." Also considered = want.

Still though, if he considered a one off side character in a already represented franchise in the roster like Geno, than he would probably consider other one off characters too. Plus he probably couldn't get Geno in because of Square-Enix or the higher ups at Nintendo not wanting him. We don't know.

 

[Guynamednelson]

but after looking into his one and only appearance he probably said "oh..."

He's more of a characters-are-just-functions guy than 100% of this thread, so he probably didn't care about that, it would've been Square-Enix wanting bigger icons in instead.