Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Shroob]

Even if he isn't a nice guy, I can't attest one way or another, to basically commit internet seppuku all in the name of being done with leaking when he could have just stayed quiet and not done anything, thus quitting leaking in silence and what dignity...he'd do this instead? This was the more logical or appealing outcome to him? Seems...odd.

Honestly, seems to just be Occam's razor.


He saw a leak that was being hyped up on ResetERA, and saw the 4 Champions leak that had a bunch of small chainlinks locking into place with one another.



Vergeben hadn't leaked anything since Byleth, to which he admits that he had only gotten the info 5 minutes before the presentation, and before that, his actual DLC track record was really poor, only getting 2-3 things total. From the looks of it, he just wanted a quick boost of cred, and it blew up.

 

[Wigglerman]

Honestly, seems to just be Occam's razor.


He saw a leak that was being hyped up on ResetERA, and saw the 4 Champions leak that had a bunch of small chainlinks locking into place with one another.



Vergeben hadn't leaked anything since Byleth, to which he admits that he had only gotten the info 5 minutes before the presentation, and before that, his actual DLC track record was really poor, only getting 2-3 things total. From the looks of it, he just wanted a quick boost of cred, and it blew up.

I sat down, I ran the numbers and weighed the odds. But boy, am I bad at math.

 

[Momotsuki]

I guess you could say the speculation scene will never... forgive him.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I sat down, I ran the numbers and weighed the odds. But boy, am I bad at math.

I guess you could say the risk was

calculated

…I’ll leave now

 

[Shroob]

You know


Vergeben admits that he had no idea who CP5 was until some rando on Gamefaqs PM'd him.


Doesn't that mean that his whole disconfirmation game back during TGA 2019's was a bunch of bull****?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

You know


Vergeben admits that he had no idea who CP5 was until some rando on Gamefaqs PM'd him.


Doesn't that mean that his whole disconfirmation game back during TGA 2020's was a bunch of bull****?

Short answer: Yes
Long answer: without a doubt

I think post-Terry is when Nintendo started clamping down HARD on leaks. Min Min and Steve got lucky (or is it unlucky?)

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I see two possibilities;

1. Verge was sick of the toxic behavior/being treated like trash, that he threw himself out to end it there. Then he never has to visit or be called upon again.
2. He simply got bad information, and gave it a shot. It happens.

I see the second as more likely simply because honesty is a big deal to Verge. He never tells something unless he legit believes in it. So while him lying just one time in order to get out of the scene is possible, I feel his honesty shines through too. He'll never have perfect information(it didn't seem like he knew any other Heroes either, just Erdrick, and he didn't know what position in the pass he was in) either way. Nobody does. He didn't know if Isabelle was a clone or echo, for instance.

 

[perfectchaos83]

You know


Vergeben admits that he had no idea who CP5 was until some rando on Gamefaqs PM'd him.


Doesn't that mean that his whole disconfirmation game back during TGA 2019's was a bunch of bull****?

Not sure what you're getting at.

Verge was working through a middle man. The source of his Source wasn't saying anything other than who it wasn't. He wasn't PM'd by a rando with Byleth.

ZenythSmash could probably provide more information on this.

 

[MattX20]

A thought occurred to me. Recall that purple background speculation for the last fighter in Smash Ultimate a few days ago? There's one character from Capcom that wasn't mentioned that does use purple prominently in his color scheme

 

[subterrestrial]

imagine you finally get the secret info for the next smash dlc character early and its byleth

 

[Shroob]

Not sure what you're getting at.

Verge was working through a middle man. The source of his Source wasn't saying anything other than who it wasn't. He wasn't PM'd by a rando with Byleth.

Vergeben, did the leaker give anymore last minute info on the next fighter? - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

For Super Smash Bros. Ultimate on the Nintendo Switch, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Vergeben, did the leaker give anymore last minute info on the next fighter?" - Page 22.

gamefaqs.gamespot.com

Vergeben, did the leaker give anymore last minute info on the next fighter? - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

For Super Smash Bros. Ultimate on the Nintendo Switch, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Vergeben, did the leaker give anymore last minute info on the next fighter?" - Page 23.

gamefaqs.gamespot.com

He did, he admits it himself.

 

[Technomage]

A thought occurred to me. Recall that purple background speculation for the last fighter in Smash Ultimate a few days ago? There's one character from Capcom that wasn't mentioned that does use purple prominently in his color scheme View attachment 319967

I haven't thought about that, but it's a good idea. If Hiryu happens, then I hope he gets a custom Instant KO explosion like in Marvel vs Capcom 3.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Even if he isn't a nice guy, I can't attest one way or another, to basically commit internet seppuku all in the name of being done with leaking when he could have just stayed quiet and not done anything, thus quitting leaking in silence and what dignity he may/may not have...he'd do this instead? This was the more logical or appealing outcome to him? Seems...odd.

Some people are just self-destructive

 

[perfectchaos83]

Vergeben, did the leaker give anymore last minute info on the next fighter? - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

For Super Smash Bros. Ultimate on the Nintendo Switch, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Vergeben, did the leaker give anymore last minute info on the next fighter?" - Page 22.

gamefaqs.gamespot.com

Vergeben, did the leaker give anymore last minute info on the next fighter? - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

For Super Smash Bros. Ultimate on the Nintendo Switch, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Vergeben, did the leaker give anymore last minute info on the next fighter?" - Page 23.

gamefaqs.gamespot.com

He did, he admits it himself.

That's a reddit PM and that's his source.

 

[Nemuresu]

Vergeben, did the leaker give anymore last minute info on the next fighter? - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

For Super Smash Bros. Ultimate on the Nintendo Switch, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Vergeben, did the leaker give anymore last minute info on the next fighter?" - Page 22.

gamefaqs.gamespot.com

Vergeben, did the leaker give anymore last minute info on the next fighter? - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

For Super Smash Bros. Ultimate on the Nintendo Switch, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Vergeben, did the leaker give anymore last minute info on the next fighter?" - Page 23.

gamefaqs.gamespot.com

He did, he admits it himself.

He's not saying he was give the info by a rando there, though. It's just his Reddit source.

 

[Shroob]

That's a reddit PM and that's his source.

Right, and there's a timestamp he provided in the image that shows it was very shortly before the presentation, which yes, he was PM'd it was Byleth shortly before the presentation. I don't see anything faulty in what I said.

 

[perfectchaos83]

Right, and there's a timestamp he provided in the image that shows it was very shortly before the presentation, which yes, he was PM'd it was Byleth shortly before the presentation. I don't see anything faulty in what I said.

Vergeben admits that he had no idea who CP5 was until some rando on Gamefaqs PM'd him.

The bold is the incorrect statement here. The person who PM'd him is the same person he's had throughout Smash speculation with the one exception being his current blunder.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

I guess you could say the speculation scene will never... forgive him.

I don't get the pun.

 

[Shroob]

The bold is the incorrect statement here. The person who PM'd him is the same person he's had throughout Smash speculation with the one exception being his current blunder.

Alright, I got the site wrong, but does that really matter that much? Regardless, I own up to that.


Can we say that with certainty for the other though? There's nothing saying this is his source tbh, for all we know this could be VRPlant or something.

 

[Technomage]

I don't get the pun.

It's a pun on that 4 champions leak.

 

[Shroob]

I don't get the pun.

Vergeben's German for Forgiven.

 

[perfectchaos83]

Alright, I got the site wrong, but does that really matter that much? Regardless, I own up to that.


Can we say that with certainty for the other though? There's nothing saying this is his source tbh, for all we know this could be VRPlant or something.

I'm sure ZenythSmash can confirm this. But Verge has had 3 Smash sources to my recollection, but He's only kept one. I see no reason to assume this is any different of a person, especially since the PM pictured is a Reply, making Verge the one who reached out to the responder.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Honestly with a track record like Vergeben the only way to really quit the leaker game is to self-destruct. If he had just said "I'm out bye" he'd still get pestered about Smash and possibly other gaming leaks for any innocuous comment he made. It happens to people like Jon Cartwright who can't even make prediction videos or post otter pictures without people taking them as Smash hints. Really the only way to get people to stop treating you like a leaker is to destroy any credibility you have.

 

[Shroob]

I'm sure ZenythSmash can confirm this. But Verge has had 3 Smash sources to my recollection, but He's only kept one. I see no reason to assume this is any different of a person, especially since the PM pictured is a Reply, making Verge the one who reached out to the responder.

Alright, but again, removing the Gamefaqs and rando from my post, that still boils down to "He didn't know who CP5 was until minutes before the presentation", which is a truthful statement.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

A thought occurred to me. Recall that purple background speculation for the last fighter in Smash Ultimate a few days ago? There's one character from Capcom that wasn't mentioned that does use purple prominently in his color scheme

Ah yes, the fighter that's literally catered to Max with every other happy camper being a happy coincidence. lol

He'd probably be neat, though Oroboros would probably break something.

 

[Eldrake]

You know what, if Vergeben purposefully wanted to self-destruct, then it implies that he knew for a fact that Master Chief isn't in.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

You know what, if Vergeben purposefully wanted to self-destruct, then it implies that he knew for a fact that Master Chief isn't in.

Or he knew that there was a 99.9% chance that if he said anything definitive he would be wrong.

I mean, that's how it works for us. lol

 

[perfectchaos83]

Honestly with a track record like Vergeben the only way to really quit the leaker game is to self-destruct. If he had just said "I'm out bye" he'd still get pestered about Smash and possibly other gaming leaks for any innocuous comment he made. It happens to people like Jon Cartwright who can't even make prediction videos or post otter pictures without people taking them as Smash hints. Really the only way to get people to stop treating you like a leaker is to destroy any credibility you have.

Self destructing doesn't seem likely. NWPlayer said the same **** and she was on the "I'm not a leaker, but this is what I heard and this is my insurance" camp. I think there's enough reasonable evidence that "MC in Smash" was out there and I'm sure Verge just wanted to jump on that train before it was too late as that would be a huge credibility boost. Methink he went back to his old tricks and regressed in this age of no information. He jumped the gun, which is something he's known to do since 2016.

Alright, but again, removing the Gamefaqs and rando from my post, that still boils down to "He didn't know who CP5 was until minutes before the presentation", which is a truthful statement.

Correct, That's a truthful statement. But his list was also factual even if he didn't know the character.

 

[dezeray112]

So ultimate community, what mii costumes may fit for Kazuya? Lets say there 5:

Fighting game IPs
Tekken (obvious lol, Jin, Nina, King, etc)
Soul Calibur (Nightmare, Valkyrie, etc)
Dead or Alive (Ayane, Kasumi)
Guilty Gear (Sol, who else?)
Street Fighter (Chun Li, Akuma, Guile)
Mortal Kombat (Scorpion with different colors)

Namco Bandai IPs
Tales Of (Lloyd, Yuri)
Katamary Damacy (Prince)
Dark Souls (Solaire)
Xenosaga (Kos-Mos)

What else more ?

Ones that I could see include several Tekken characters from Jin, Nina, King, Lili, Lars and maybe Lucky Chloe?

Also one slight correction, Valkyrie was a costume for Sophitia Alexandria in SoulCalibur II I believe.

 

[MattX20]

The Lloyd Mii costume is pretty much guaranteed to be with Kazuya 100%. As for other Bandai Namco IPs, Soul Calibur, Xenosaga, Klonoa, Digimon and Katamari would be good picks for it

 

[GoodGrief741]

Self destructing doesn't seem likely. NWPlayer said the same **** and she was on the "I'm not a leaker, but this is what I heard and this is my insurance" camp. I think there's enough reasonable evidence that "MC in Smash" was out there and I'm sure Verge just wanted to jump on that train before it was too late as that would be a huge credibility boost. Methink he went back to his old tricks and regressed in this age of no information. He jumped the gun, which is something he's known to do since 2016.

I'm not saying that's what he did. It's just that I saw people say "if he wanted out he could've just said so" and nah, it checks out. I don't really care why he said Master Chief, if a leaker gets something wrong I just write them off no questions asked.

 

[subterrestrial]

inb4 master chief and 4champions come true years later like steve's minecraft content

 

[Shroob]

Even though I'm like 99.99% sure Lloyd's costume is coming with Kazuya


God what happens if he skips it again.

 

[Noipoi]

Even though I'm like 99.99% sure Lloyd's costume is coming with Kazuya


God what happens if he skips it again.

Lloyd fans get to cling onto hope for three more months until he comes with the last guy.

 

[Technomage]

Even though I'm like 99.99% sure Lloyd's costume is coming with Kazuya


God what happens if he skips it again.

Speculation takes a little bit longer to get stale.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Even though I'm like 99.99% sure Lloyd's costume is coming with Kazuya


God what happens if he skips it again.

It could be worse. It never comes back.

 

[Shroob]

It could be worse. It never comes back.

Wouldn't that be the ****?


It skips this pack > Everyone debates if Lloyd actually got promoted/If CP11 is a sword user.... and it just got cut for some reason.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Wouldn't that be the ****?


It skips this pack > Everyone debates if Lloyd actually got promoted/If CP11 is a sword user.... and it just got cut for some reason.

I stand corrected. It could become a Premiium instead. That's the worst. Well, maybe. Geno fans wanted that over a regular costume(with him being regular playable as best, but still).

 

[Faso115]

I know Verg was one of those leakers fueling the flames back before Byleth's reveal but there was another dude who was even more insufferable and they only ever got like....what did they even get right anyway?

Haven't heard from them since

 

[subterrestrial]

bro premium mii skins are a slap in the face lmao

like they finally made it as paid dlc but not really