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Hollow Knight? Ori? Make them Swordie and Brawler respectively, I just want ONE non-Gunner costume with a songOk hold up, what's the next Deluxe Mii Costume we could get?
Hopefully Freddy Fazbear.Ok hold up, what's the next Deluxe Mii Costume we could get?
Hollow Knight with Sealed Vessel?
I would KILL for a Monokuma Brawler... but then he’d execute me.
Then again, it's practically the same case with
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sourcegaming.info
nintendoeverything.com
And now I've figured out the song that should come with a Freddy costume: A remix of Smashing Windshields.
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Then watch folks complain yet again on "another generic anime sword fighter.So I finally completed my theory/analysis that I wanted to make, and I'd be interested in what you thought of it. This is also NOT Shadow related, so if that sounds interesting, read ahead
This is theory based, and not actual confirmation of character. Take this speculation in anyway you want to
Character(s): Gran and Djeeta from Granblue Fantasy
Table of Contents
-Cygames presence in Smash
-Lack of Spirits, Miis, etc
-Tourney theory
-Sakurai’s Comment
-Bonus Fighter Slot
-Old Katalina Leaks
Cygames has had a presence in Smash already, confirming that they have talked to Nintendo about Smash at one point
https://www.ssbwiki.com/List_of_SSBU_Music_(Fire_Emblem_series)#Destiny_(Ablaze)
https://www.ssbwiki.com/List_of_SSB...es)#Fire_Emblem:_Three_Houses_Main_Theme_(JP)
https://www.ssbwiki.com/List_of_SSBU_Music_(Fire_Emblem_series)#Fire_Emblem:_Three_Houses_Main_Theme
Cygames has helped with 3 of the Fire Emblem tracks in the game. One of these tracks, Destiny (Ablaze), was a base game track
Despite Cygames 100% confirmed to have talked to Nintendo about Smash, Cygames is the only Company in the game that’s not represented through Spirit, Miis, or Character.
Besides the absence of a Prominent franchise like Granblue, Another Important Franchise missing is Dragalia Lost. Dragalia Lost is a Co-owned Nintendo Franchise in the same vain as Fatal Frame.
Here link to all the tourneys
https://www.ssbwiki.com/List_of_Event_Tourneys
For those who don’t know, Tourney theory is the theory that certain online tourneys are held back to coincide with specific characters that will be coming later.
This is not to say characters are chosen based of the tourneys, it’s to say that the certain inclusion of certain tourneys or absence of certain tourneys may suggest that certain Fighters isn’t or Is coming in the future
The Relevant part for today is the absence of certain tourneys. The 2 most important missing ones are
2010’s tourney
Swordfighter tourney
These 2 tourneys being absent is very strange. The other era tourneys all happened before we got Min-Min, our first character, yet the 2010’s tourney is still absent. Min-Min, Steve (who’s based of the Java Release), and Pyra/Mythra are 2010’s characters, yet the tourney still has not happened yet
In regards to the Swordfighter tourney, with the abundance of Swordfighters in the game (to the point that Sakurai has had to mention talk of Swordfighters multiple times), along with the fact that 2 Fighters known for their Swords (Sephiroth and Pyra/Mythra) were added in FP2, the absence of Swordfighter tourney is strange indeed
Granblue Fantasy debuted in 2013, which would make Gran and Djeeta 2010’s characters. They both also primarily use a Sword.
Other Tourneys that could be a factor include
Super Bash Sisters tourney (Girl Tourney)
Fire Tourney
Which would also apply to these characters
Nintendo Dream Interview with Sakurai: Part 2
Sakurai discusses all seven of the DLC characters in Smash for Wii U/3DS.
“And within the FF franchise, Cloud is without question the most popular choice. A number of people fixate on the fact his original game was never released on a Nintendo console, but if we were to limit our choices to characters who appeared on a Nintendo console, we’d end up with Bartz from FFV or the Onion Knight from FFIII—how would that work? Maybe they could change jobs or something… Actually, that would be kind of interesting (laughs).”
Sakurai actually never mentioned Granblue, or any Cygames property in his Columns. The reason this quote is important is because of the moveset implications
Sakurai said he doesn’t get hang up on “Game Ideas” which says he doesn’t pick characters just based of Moveset. However, especially in cases where he has to choose between multiple characters in the Same franchise, he will tend to go for what he thinks is the most interesting idea. This idea can be seen with Robin over Chrom, and more recently Pyra/Mythra over Rex
https://sourcegaming.info/2015/07/04/chromsmash4/
Sakurai elaborates on Pyra/Mythra in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate and why Rex isn't a fighter
Last week, Pyra/Mythra was added to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate as the latest DLC character. The two-in-one fighter is the new representative from Xenoblade Chronicles 2 instead of Rex, who has the starring role. You may recall that Smash Bros. director Masahiro Sakurai talked about the decision...
Gran and Djeeta have a Job System in the Granblue games, which can change their abilities depending on what Class they are.
Thanks to a website leak, there’s evidence that there may be at least one form of content we don’t know about in FP2, thanks to how the contents n FP2 are lined up on the site, and how a singular gap implies there is something new we don’t know about
The main speculation is that it’s a Bonus Fighter we don’t know about, whether unique or echo. though there have been thoughts it’s Another Bonus Mii, Bonus Stage, or etc
The Main thing going against the idea of it being a Bonus Fighter is that Sakurai has multiple times said that there are only 2 Fighters, along with only 2 Sakurai presents, which puts the idea of a Bonus Fighter separate from the Other Challenger packs in limbo
However one thing that could be assumed is perhaps this extra form of Content is tied to one of the last 2 challenger packs, and this is where the Idea of BOTH Gran and Djeeta come in
Gran and Djeeta in Granblue are the Male and Female MCs of Granblue, in a similar way Male Robin/Female Robin, Male Corrin/Female Corrin, Male Byleth/Female Byleth are.
While their stories are similar though, the difference is that Gran and Djeeta actually have way different personalities from each other
In Granblue Fantasy, Gran and Djeeta are Clones of each other, but are different characters in terms of their moves, properties, and personalities ingame.
With this taken into Account, in the case where both Gran/Djeeta make it in, they lean towards being Echoes of each other instead of Alts as each other
Unlike other Alt characters like The Fire Emblem avatar characters, Hero, and Steve/Alex/Zombie/Enderman, Gran and Djeeta’s Personalities are not Interchangeable, so even if they have similar abilities, they have different ways of using them...exactly like an Echo Fighter
Cygames is a 3rd party Company, and as such they need to give their input into how they want their characters represented in the game. Cygames would likely want Gran and Djeeta to have their full personalities on display than their personalities merged together or something
While Echo Fighters were assumed to be dismissed for FP1, there’s been no such comment in FP2
During the early days of Smash Ultimate DLC Speculation (Before even Joker was revealed), There was a rumor about a character from Granblue being added as Smash DLC: Katalina
The rumors were spurred by a user named Hitagi. He had credible info on games like Samurai Showdown, and even called Arc System Works making a Granblue Fighting game
However the rumor was seemed to have been backpedaled by Hitagi, as later on he seemed to be unsure if the deals were even for Smash, but were likely for some bigger deal
Hitagi has deleted alot of posts, so it can be hard to find sources, however here are places to find discussion on the leak
/https://smashboards.com/threads/kat...work-in-progress-researchers-welcomed.463297/
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77201710
Another “Leaker” named Xenother also commented on Katalina, and said she was a Scrapped character for FP1. Xenother has been someone that has talked to Vergeben before
https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-3441#post-24124784
The thing with these rumors is that the Leakers involved (Hitagi and Xenother) are shaky at best. They have gotten things wrong, Hitagi especially when he said no Atlus characters were in negotiations...before Joker was revealed
However there are reasons I bring up these rumors, and why I think they still might set the scene
-2 Characters in FP2 were first heard through Rumors early on in Base game and/or FP1 speculation days. Steve and Sephiroth.
Steve in particular was a character that Hitagi pushed as a character that was also gonna be DLC
With these old rumors starting to have some fruition in FP2, it’s interesting to look back at rumors like the Katalina rumor, especially since
-It’s 100% Confirmed that Cygames talked to Nintendo about Smash, since they have done 3 Fire Emblem tracks for Smash. With that taken into account, it does put the rumor in somewhat of a new light with that knowledge
These rumors bring up Katalina specifically, but if the Conversation between Nintendo and Cygames on Smash continued, it’s possible that Different characters, like Gran/Djeeta, could have been settled on. Dragon Quest had Slime as an option if Hero for some reason wasn’t able to work
https://nintendoeverything.com/saku...scrapped-initially-just-luminary-and-erdrick/
“If he was told ‘no’ to Hero and ‘yes’ to Slime or something like that, he’d do it, but Sakurai felt Hero was the best option”
For a detailed write up about the merits a Granblue character in general has, here is a Excellent write up on the matter from SmashBoards user tehponycorn
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-2425#post-23857333
The biggest issue with a Granblue character getting in is that it doesn’t have too much Nintendo presence (actually none at all to my knowledge), It’s popularity is more lopsided to the Japanese side of things, and the popular Gacha game is banned in European countries. Does Granblue have enough merit to get into Smash in spite of all these hurdles? Maybe so, Maybe not
For Gran and Djeeta Specifically, They are both the MC’s of the game, and Djeeta in particular is a very popular character. As mentioned, they also have the Class/Job system which can be very interesting
Added just now because I just remembered. Lloyd, if he still just a Mii Costume, goes well with a Granblue character since I believe both are Action RPGish. Also swords
Then in that case, I'd probably wish he made ANOTHER Shadow theory instead (on the other hand, Shadow has used swords in his games before (okay, one game)).
Cadence from Crypt of the NecroDancer doesn't seem to get enough consideration among rhythm fighters as far as I can tell.
This.
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assuming your theory is correct, this character does not feel like E3 material. Also assuming only CP10 gets revealed at E3, this Cygames character could be CP11.
i'd probably pick up Cadence! the soundtrack alone would make her worth the price of admission
Waluigi was integral to the plot of ddr mario mix. He started the whole event!
Something worth noting is that Touhou would represent not just bullet hells, but shoot-em-ups as a whole. The genre was a staple of the arcade scene back in the day, and is only represented through items and ATs (Unless we count Star Fox as a shoot-em-up, and even then it's still a different flavor of shooter compared to the likes of Space Invaders and Galaxian).
I think the most likely scenario should they add CoH music is to specifically leave out any songs that include NecroDancer motifs and have them play on Zelda stages.
I'm sorry, but as someone who plays Granblue religiously, and has for the last 5 years nowSo I finally completed my theory/analysis that I wanted to make, and I'd be interested in what you thought of it. This is also NOT Shadow related, so if that sounds interesting, read ahead
This is theory based, and not actual confirmation of character. Take this speculation in anyway you want to
Character(s): Gran and Djeeta from Granblue Fantasy
Table of Contents
-Cygames presence in Smash
-Lack of Spirits, Miis, etc
-Tourney theory
-Sakurai’s Comment
-Bonus Fighter Slot
-Old Katalina Leaks
Cygames has had a presence in Smash already, confirming that they have talked to Nintendo about Smash at one point
https://www.ssbwiki.com/List_of_SSBU_Music_(Fire_Emblem_series)#Destiny_(Ablaze)
https://www.ssbwiki.com/List_of_SSB...es)#Fire_Emblem:_Three_Houses_Main_Theme_(JP)
https://www.ssbwiki.com/List_of_SSBU_Music_(Fire_Emblem_series)#Fire_Emblem:_Three_Houses_Main_Theme
Cygames has helped with 3 of the Fire Emblem tracks in the game. One of these tracks, Destiny (Ablaze), was a base game track
Despite Cygames 100% confirmed to have talked to Nintendo about Smash, Cygames is the only Company in the game that’s not represented through Spirit, Miis, or Character.
Besides the absence of a Prominent franchise like Granblue, Another Important Franchise missing is Dragalia Lost. Dragalia Lost is a Co-owned Nintendo Franchise in the same vain as Fatal Frame.
Here link to all the tourneys
https://www.ssbwiki.com/List_of_Event_Tourneys
For those who don’t know, Tourney theory is the theory that certain online tourneys are held back to coincide with specific characters that will be coming later.
This is not to say characters are chosen based of the tourneys, it’s to say that the certain inclusion of certain tourneys or absence of certain tourneys may suggest that certain Fighters isn’t or Is coming in the future
The Relevant part for today is the absence of certain tourneys. The 2 most important missing ones are
2010’s tourney
Swordfighter tourney
These 2 tourneys being absent is very strange. The other era tourneys all happened before we got Min-Min, our first character, yet the 2010’s tourney is still absent. Min-Min, Steve (who’s based of the Java Release), and Pyra/Mythra are 2010’s characters, yet the tourney still has not happened yet
In regards to the Swordfighter tourney, with the abundance of Swordfighters in the game (to the point that Sakurai has had to mention talk of Swordfighters multiple times), along with the fact that 2 Fighters known for their Swords (Sephiroth and Pyra/Mythra) were added in FP2, the absence of Swordfighter tourney is strange indeed
Granblue Fantasy debuted in 2013, which would make Gran and Djeeta 2010’s characters. They both also primarily use a Sword.
Other Tourneys that could be a factor include
Super Bash Sisters tourney (Girl Tourney)
Fire Tourney
Which would also apply to these characters
Nintendo Dream Interview with Sakurai: Part 2
Sakurai discusses all seven of the DLC characters in Smash for Wii U/3DS.
“And within the FF franchise, Cloud is without question the most popular choice. A number of people fixate on the fact his original game was never released on a Nintendo console, but if we were to limit our choices to characters who appeared on a Nintendo console, we’d end up with Bartz from FFV or the Onion Knight from FFIII—how would that work? Maybe they could change jobs or something… Actually, that would be kind of interesting (laughs).”
Sakurai actually never mentioned Granblue, or any Cygames property in his Columns. The reason this quote is important is because of the moveset implications
Sakurai said he doesn’t get hang up on “Game Ideas” which says he doesn’t pick characters just based of Moveset. However, especially in cases where he has to choose between multiple characters in the Same franchise, he will tend to go for what he thinks is the most interesting idea. This idea can be seen with Robin over Chrom, and more recently Pyra/Mythra over Rex
https://sourcegaming.info/2015/07/04/chromsmash4/
Sakurai elaborates on Pyra/Mythra in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate and why Rex isn't a fighter
Last week, Pyra/Mythra was added to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate as the latest DLC character. The two-in-one fighter is the new representative from Xenoblade Chronicles 2 instead of Rex, who has the starring role. You may recall that Smash Bros. director Masahiro Sakurai talked about the decision...
Gran and Djeeta have a Job System in the Granblue games, which can change their abilities depending on what Class they are.
Thanks to a website leak, there’s evidence that there may be at least one form of content we don’t know about in FP2, thanks to how the contents n FP2 are lined up on the site, and how a singular gap implies there is something new we don’t know about
The main speculation is that it’s a Bonus Fighter we don’t know about, whether unique or echo. though there have been thoughts it’s Another Bonus Mii, Bonus Stage, or etc
The Main thing going against the idea of it being a Bonus Fighter is that Sakurai has multiple times said that there are only 2 Fighters, along with only 2 Sakurai presents, which puts the idea of a Bonus Fighter separate from the Other Challenger packs in limbo
However one thing that could be assumed is perhaps this extra form of Content is tied to one of the last 2 challenger packs, and this is where the Idea of BOTH Gran and Djeeta come in
Gran and Djeeta in Granblue are the Male and Female MCs of Granblue, in a similar way Male Robin/Female Robin, Male Corrin/Female Corrin, Male Byleth/Female Byleth are.
While their stories are similar though, the difference is that Gran and Djeeta actually have way different personalities from each other
In Granblue Fantasy, Gran and Djeeta are Clones of each other, but are different characters in terms of their moves, properties, and personalities ingame.
With this taken into Account, in the case where both Gran/Djeeta make it in, they lean towards being Echoes of each other instead of Alts as each other
Unlike other Alt characters like The Fire Emblem avatar characters, Hero, and Steve/Alex/Zombie/Enderman, Gran and Djeeta’s Personalities are not Interchangeable, so even if they have similar abilities, they have different ways of using them...exactly like an Echo Fighter
Cygames is a 3rd party Company, and as such they need to give their input into how they want their characters represented in the game. Cygames would likely want Gran and Djeeta to have their full personalities on display than their personalities merged together or something
While Echo Fighters were assumed to be dismissed for FP1, there’s been no such comment in FP2
During the early days of Smash Ultimate DLC Speculation (Before even Joker was revealed), There was a rumor about a character from Granblue being added as Smash DLC: Katalina
The rumors were spurred by a user named Hitagi. He had credible info on games like Samurai Showdown, and even called Arc System Works making a Granblue Fighting game
However the rumor was seemed to have been backpedaled by Hitagi, as later on he seemed to be unsure if the deals were even for Smash, but were likely for some bigger deal
Hitagi has deleted alot of posts, so it can be hard to find sources, however here are places to find discussion on the leak
/https://smashboards.com/threads/kat...work-in-progress-researchers-welcomed.463297/
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77201710
Another “Leaker” named Xenother also commented on Katalina, and said she was a Scrapped character for FP1. Xenother has been someone that has talked to Vergeben before
https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-
The thing with these rumors is that the Leakers involved (Hitagi and Xenother) are shaky at best. They have gotten things wrong, Hitagi especially when he said no Atlus characters were in negotiations...before Joker was revealed
However there are reasons I bring up these rumors, and why I think they still might set the scene
-2 Characters in FP2 were first heard through Rumors early on in Base game and/or FP1 speculation days. Steve and Sephiroth.
Steve in particular was a character that Hitagi pushed as a character that was also gonna be DLC
With these old rumors starting to have some fruition in FP2, it’s interesting to look back at rumors like the Katalina rumor, especially since
-It’s 100% Confirmed that Cygames talked to Nintendo about Smash, since they have done 3 Fire Emblem tracks for Smash. With that taken into account, it does put the rumor in somewhat of a new light with that knowledge
These rumors bring up Katalina specifically, but if the Conversation between Nintendo and Cygames on Smash continued, it’s possible that Different characters, like Gran/Djeeta, could have been settled on. Dragon Quest had Slime as an option if Hero for some reason wasn’t able to work
https://nintendoeverything.com/saku...scrapped-initially-just-luminary-and-erdrick/
“If he was told ‘no’ to Hero and ‘yes’ to Slime or something like that, he’d do it, but Sakurai felt Hero was the best option”
For a detailed write up about the merits a Granblue character in general has, here is a Excellent write up on the matter from SmashBoards user tehponycorn
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-2425#post-23857333
The biggest issue with a Granblue character getting in is that it doesn’t have too much Nintendo presence (actually none at all to my knowledge), It’s popularity is more lopsided to the Japanese side of things, and the popular Gacha game is banned in European countries. Does Granblue have enough merit to get into Smash in spite of all these hurdles? Maybe so, Maybe not
For Gran and Djeeta Specifically, They are both the MC’s of the game, and Djeeta in particular is a very popular character. As mentioned, they also have the Class/Job system which can be very interesting
Added just now because I just remembered. Lloyd, if he still just a Mii Costume, goes well with a Granblue character since I believe both are Action RPGish. Also swords
of course it wouldn't be Katalina it'd be the real face of Granblue,
Considering she broke the game to the point they had to rebalance all future content with her in mind
So as someone who cares about Granblue as much as Twitter cares about common sense, how would be the ideal Granblue rep in your perspective and experience?
You'd pick the MCs, Gran or Djeeta.
Katalina feels like more like a Capcom-style pick than a Smash one, if I'm honest. I mean, in MvC, you have stuff like Zero and Tron Bonne being in instead of any variant of Mega Man, or Morrigan being in it always and Demitri being in it like never. Or in Street Fighter, you have stuff like Akira being the Rival Schools character instead of Batsu.
Are we talking about the game balance or the gacha balance? Cause was she the one that gave so much attention to the Gacha system after someone payed so much and failed to get her that they were forced to add the system that we call the spark system? I know it was a Granblue character that gave alot of attention to the Gacha system and had Cygames add a spark system.
That has more to do with Morrigan overshadowing Demitri in popularity than Capcom going crazy with roster picks.
Zoi's a boss in the game, and a pseudo-story character. She's important to the plot, but only occasionally shows up in events.
That would mean getting Xenosaga, and arguably Dark Souls and even Digimon* reps. The only thing I am more sure of than the fact Bandai Namco will get a second rep is the fact Bandai Namco will never get a second rep.
No, at was Anchira/Andira, the yearly Zodiac character.
I’ve never played any Granblue games but I did watch the anime and I’d have to say that Katalina was my favorite character from the show. Smash is also really lacking in ice based characters so that’s a plus too. Gran’s little dragon companion was kind of annoying so I’d personally rather have Katalina. Then again, that’s just me stanning for side characters again lol.
I agree that these characters are not E3 Material if Solo. I'm personally in the camp that we will get both CP10 and CP11 revealed at E3, but that's just meThis.
Also.
I feel like if those rumors had any backing, it might have been because at the time, Katalina was getting pushed in that Action style Granblue game, and she's still kind of front and center in terms of the cast from what I've seen
She really isn't tbh.
At the risk of sounding like C chocolatejr9 here, what’s Gran/Djeeta’s advantages over Euden as a Cygames rep?
Dark Souls is a JRPG, but it's a pretty Western styled JRPG. It's not a buggy open world, but it's still taken some significant inspiration from the genre.
