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Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

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UserKev

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Kirby has some insane lore. Power-hungry kings, multiple godlike universal conquerors, battles between the strongest warriors in the universe, whatever the hell Marx wanted, there's a lot that can be mined from there. Hell, Kirby's Adventure had that plot twist where Dedede turned out to be good all along, and that was a freaking NES game. If there's one franchise I'm not worried in terms of plot it's Kirby.

Plus, it, and most other franchises Nintendo could adapt, could benefit enormously from relying on the animated medium to create some visual spectacle. Do some action sequences, with crazy colors and fluid animation, these are videogames so action sequences should be easy to incorporate. As a lover of Western animation (the good and the bad) you'd be surprised by how many movies share the simple narrative of "heroes start at X and need to get to Y; cool stuff happens on the journey" so it's not like it would be outside the norm.

And as for Samus, it'd be incredibly easy to make her an engaging character. Partly because she is in several Metroid games, but also she has lots of backstory from the manga that gives depth to her interactions with villains and allies alike. Just move that to flashbacks and boom. Link is the only thing I haven't figured out because he's the one character I think they can't make speak without a huge backlash. But depending on what game they adapt, he could just have someone like Midna or Fi as a mouthpiece.

(As you can see I've given all of this way too much thought. But I really think Nintendo could pull it off and have massive success of they play their cards right.)
Honestly, you can make a Legend of Zelda animated series based off the Wind Waker. Wind Waker style characters and Link can easily have voice actors, it'd work so well its incredible.

A Metroid animated series could seriously work with Ridley as the primary villain. I always pictured it on Spike TV or now Peacock streaming these days.
 

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Even if Nintendo still has cold feet about doing major movie universes, they could reduce a lot of risk and actually made a nice modest profit if they started putting out comics/graphic novels in the West of the various franchises. Not sure about a full blown Zelda film? Put out a miniseries that can test waters with audiences. Want to see what can be done with the modern Star Fox characters? Get a deal with IDW and have a comic line done. Interested in keeping costs really low? Put out collections of all the old Nintendo Power comics and see what kind of numbers you get.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see big IP's make the jump to film, but there's many media avenues that can really be effective without the big overhead cost of a theatrical movie.
 
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Even if Nintendo still has cold feet about doing major movie universes, they could reduce a lot of risk and actually made a nice modest profit if they started putting out comics/graphic novels in the West of the various franchises. Not sure about a full blown Zelda film? Put out a miniseries that can test waters with audiences. Want to see what can be done with the modern Star Fox characters? Get a deal with IDW and have a comic line done. Interested in keeping costs really low? Put out collections of all the old Nintendo Power comics and see what kind of numbers you get.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to big IP's make the jump to film, but there's many media avenues that can really be effective without the big overhead cost of a theatrical movie.
An animated TV series would be a lot more ideal for Star Fox than a movie, anyways.

Honestly, that's how I feel about basically video game adaptions in general.

It's worth noting that Nintendo's financials are so wholly based around their own video game consoles that one bad generation can really set them back (which happened with the Wii U). So while this move may be risky at least in the short term they'd probably want the issurance that could come with movies, comics etc.

A Cinematic Universe is also difficult to pull off successfully since it require both a concerted and well-structured effort aimed at the long haul as well as protection from short-term whims of executives or other powerful people (see what happened to the DCEU), but the potential payoff is immense. If Marvel could practically turn a bunch of B-listers into superstars, I wouldn't be surprised if some Nintendo execs looked at that and then looked at their more "minor" franchises. Thus I'm gonna respectfully disagree Dino and say that it's feasible to turn even IPs like Star Fox into an engaging film, but I don't doubt it'd be difficult.

It's also worth noting that the MCU is not just focused around big films (although it is the centerpiece), TV shows etc. also make up a large section of what the MCU is. Even if MCU's videogames have been... recieved not as well to say the least. So Nintendo does have something of a rough template they can follow.

Personally, I remain wary of Illumination producing the Mario movie due to the lean towards the very simple and merchandise-centric focus. But then again, movie-going audiences have not been entirely turned away by simple stuff (as long as those movies don't look down on the audience too obviously or something else). Otherwise Illumination wouldn't be able to produce an entire spin-off series of films focused around the Minions. There's still a decent chance that the Mario movie could be good and an expanded universe could be launched from there - but we'll just have to see.
 
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Time for another write up on another western character who doesn’t get a lot of talk. I’m gonna save the Fallout protagonist & Shepard for later because today’s focus is on Joanna Dark.

Joanna Dark is the protagonist of Rare’s Perfect Dark. The game was a spiritual successor to GoldenEye that released on the N64 in 2000 to rave reviews. It’s still seen as one of the best games of all-time & it’s actually #15 on MetaCritic’s best reviewed games of all-time.

While Perfect Dark isn’t the biggest series, it’s in a unique position of having incredibly strong ties to Nintendo much like Bayonetta & Banjo had. On top of that, the series already has a history with Smash. Melee had two items from the series, the Cloaking Device & the Motion Sensor Bomb; though the latter had its design changed from the Perfect Dark version outside of Japan. Perfect Dark was the newest series to be represented in Melee!

Another interesting thing to note is that Sakurai wanted to include trophies of Banjo & Joanna in Melee, but ultimately couldn’t. We finally got Banjo in Smash, who’s to say that Sakurai isn’t interested in including Joanna too? If we’re speculating about long lost Smash content like Ayumi Tachibana, then maybe Joanna should join that group too.

This also puts Banjo & Joanna in a unique position where she’s officially been discussed by Sakurai while other Rare characters like Conker, Fulgore & Rash haven’t; seemingly giving her an advantage over her Rare siblings.

However, Joanna isn’t a Nintendo character anymore. She’s been owned by Microsoft for decades now. A prequel, Perfect Dark: Zero, was released as a launch title for the Xbox 360. It received middling reviews & sales. So why would Microsoft put Joanna in over their mascot, Master Chief, or even a rising star like Ori? Well that’s because they have a big reboot planned, this is looking like it’ll be one of their biggest games this gen.

Microsoft’s grown their numbers of first party studios greatly in the past couple years. They went from like 5 in 2016 to over 20 now. Most of that growth was through purchases. But thestudio behind the new Perfect Dark was built from the ground up. It includes talent from some of the biggest studios in the industry like Naughty Dog, Insomniac & Rockstar. So Microsoft is taking this new Perfect Dark very seriously. Seriously enough where they could potentially prioritize Joanna Dark getting into Smash over one of their other characters.

Moveset wise, Joanna would be unique just by being the first FPS character in Smash. The lack of a representative of the huge genre is a growing complaint amongst western fans, so Joanna would be able to fix that. She’d be able to represent all of the conventions of that series, while throwing in some flair with the unique alien weaponry found in PD. She could also bring in some of her sci-fi spy tech like the previously mentioned Cloaking Device.

Now is Joanna particularly likely? Probably not, especially not when going up against Master Chief if MS is still in play. But I think she’s a potential dark horse who’d fit in with several fan theories like getting another Microsoft rep, a promotional pick & a “long lost Smash character” all in one. Plus, she’d just be another kickass character to join Smash. If you haven’t played Perfect Dark please check out the Xbox port, it’s fantastic.
 

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I think the Sonic movie demonstrated that fan memory and positive association with a legacy video game brand can go a long way, even with series that have had ups and downs. By the time that film had come out, it wasn't just younger fans that were inclined to see it, but enough generations of people who had played the games/read the comics/watched the TV shows that once the awful design was fixed, there was genuine interest born out of past affection to see it.

One of the reasons I think that the Mario Bros live action film utterly failed commercially (beyond its nightmarish production and quick word of mouth about its dubious quality) is that Mario was still a fairly young series at that point with about 8 years between rocketing to major status via the NES game and the movie's release. Even if there were younger moviegoers that wanted to see it despite its reputation, most adults at the time had virtually no attachment to a video game series that they likely knew little about beyond the fact that their kids liked it. And unlike the Mortal Kombat film in 1995 which could pull in loads of the valuable young adult/teenage market that were at just the right age to see it, the SMB movie lacked both enough faithfulness in the material to please children and any kind of legacy loyalty to bring in adults.

Most Nintendo series now though have been around for at least two decades, meaning there are parents of various ages that do have fond memories of such franchises and would be more willing to take their kids to see them in theaters.
 

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Had a dream that we got 3 more passes after FP2 and this is what we got.

pass 2:
81: Master Chief
82: Crash Bandicoot

Pass 3:
83: Dr. Eggman
84: Rayman
85: Ayumi
86: Porky
87: King Boo
88-90: Cynthia (Spiritomb, Roserade, Garchomp)

Assist Pass:
91: Waluigi
92: Krystal
93: Isaac
94: Midna
95: Shadow
96: Bomberman

Echo Pass:
11 E: Black Shadow
14 E: Dry Bowser
16 E: Impa
36 E: Dixie Kong
64 E: Octoling

was pretty pissed when I woke up lets just say lol.
Can I also make up a challenge where I fill in those blanks with my picks? If so, then:

Rest of Pass 2:
1) Crash Bandicoot
2) Dr. Eggman

Pass 3:
1) Yuri Lowell
2) Chun-Li
3) Goemon (as a tag-team with Ebisumaru)
4) Bubsy
5) Squall
6) Freddy Fazbear

Assist Pass:
1) Krystal
2) Zero
3) Tiki
4) Saki Amamiya
5) Lyn
6) Tingle

Echo Pass:
1) Vampire Wario as an echo of Wario
2) Slippy as an echo of Fox
3) Glass Joe as an echo of Little Mac
4) Fatal Cutie Terry as an echo of Terry
5) Demise as an echo of Ganondorf
 

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Even if Nintendo still has cold feet about doing major movie universes, they could reduce a lot of risk and actually made a nice modest profit if they started putting out comics/graphic novels in the West of the various franchises. Not sure about a full blown Zelda film? Put out a miniseries that can test waters with audiences. Want to see what can be done with the modern Star Fox characters? Get a deal with IDW and have a comic line done. Interested in keeping costs really low? Put out collections of all the old Nintendo Power comics and see what kind of numbers you get.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see big IP's make the jump to film, but there's many media avenues that can really be effective without the big overhead cost of a theatrical movie.
This just reminded me of the ARMS Graphic Novel

I miss it...
 

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Nintendo just seems way too strict and controlling of their IPs for them to really thrive in ancillery media.

Like this is the same company that is now preventing contractors from making their own unique toads/goombas/koopas/etc as they did back in the GCN era. People like to make fun of SEGA for their weird mandates over the Sonic comics/brand in general, but Nintendo is even more ruthless in that regard. It's understandable to not want a Ken Penders-esque fiasco with your IPs but god damn.
 
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Even if Nintendo still has cold feet about doing major movie universes, they could reduce a lot of risk and actually made a nice modest profit if they started putting out comics/graphic novels in the West of the various franchises. Not sure about a full blown Zelda film? Put out a miniseries that can test waters with audiences. Want to see what can be done with the modern Star Fox characters? Get a deal with IDW and have a comic line done. Interested in keeping costs really low? Put out collections of all the old Nintendo Power comics and see what kind of numbers you get.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see big IP's make the jump to film, but there's many media avenues that can really be effective without the big overhead cost of a theatrical movie.
Exactly, Nintendo already has a dedicated Splatoon manga so they're already familiar with the comic industry albeit via licensing.
 

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Exactly, Nintendo already has a dedicated Splatoon manga so they're already familiar with the comic industry albeit via licensing.
I mean there have been whole runs of mangas in Japan associated with various first party series, even after any Western efforts ended circa 1993/1994. Metroid had a two part manga series in 2003/2004 which in some ways kind of shows the odd thinking of Nintendo's in the last 25 or so years:

"We won't do comics for Americans or Europeans despite the likes of Sonic selling consistently, but we will put one out for Metroid in the region where the series is commercially less popular."
 

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Let's just say...I'm a bit skeptical you had a dream where 20 different characters were announced, and you somehow managed to remember all of them when you woke up.

It's just your wishlist dude. You don't gotta make up stories.
I can see why youd think that. there was allot more to it, but i can only remember the characters. Also its far from my wishlist lol. My boy Agumon is my most wanted character and id really like Nemesis and Adeleine from kirby.
 

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The problem I have with a Nintendo movie universe is that a lot of the characters simply don’t translate well to movies.

I mean, how the hell would a Kirby movie work? The main antithesis of those games is story is simple and stupid (with deep basically Lovecraftian lore) and gameplay always comes first in its silly worlds.
People were saying the exact same thing about a lot of comic book heroes before they got successful movies. With the right talent and proper planning, almost anything is possible.
 
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I will say that I prefer the idea of an animated series over a movie. More time to flesh out the world, focus on smaller characters, etc. With a movie you'll need to squeeze it all into about two hours, and you can't go off to focus on someone else a little without breaking the pace. A series would have more freedom than a movie, I think
 

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I will say that I prefer the idea of an animated series over a movie. More time to flesh out the world, focus on smaller characters, etc. With a movie you'll need to squeeze it all into about two hours, and you can't go off to focus on someone else a little without breaking the pace. A series would have more freedom than a movie, I think
A series also allows the writing to go for a more niche audience rather than than aiming for more generic mass appeal in its story or characters.

Basically a Mario TV series is one that could far more safely embrace the weirdness of its settings and NPC's than a movie will.
 

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I will say that I prefer the idea of an animated series over a movie. More time to flesh out the world, focus on smaller characters, etc. With a movie you'll need to squeeze it all into about two hours, and you can't go off to focus on someone else a little without breaking the pace. A series would have more freedom than a movie, I think
A series also allows the writing to go for a more niche audience rather than than aiming for more generic mass appeal in its story or characters.

Basically a Mario TV series is one that could far more safely embrace the weirdness of its settings and NPC's than a movie will.
Well, bonus points (IMHO) if said Mario / other Nintendo TV series gets to be about as straight up absurd as the Italian / Nordic Disney comics:

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(#ThissceneinKH4pls :roll: )
 
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Well, bonus points (IMHO) if said Mario / other Nintendo TV series gets to be about as straight up absurd as the Italian / Nordic Disney comics:

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(#ThissceneinKH4pls :roll: )
Yeah, European comic variations of popular properties are always pretty nutty, as Fleetway Sonic so often demonstrated:








I am so glad that I grew up with those kind of comics as my primary source of literature.
 

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People were saying the exact same thing about a lot of comic book heroes before they got successful movies. With the right talent and proper planning, almost anything is possible.
That's a bit of an oversimplification. At their core comic books are still books which focus most on narrative (or narrative and visual), and the problem was mostly how to translate the fantastical elements that can exist in illustration into a coherent two-hour picture for the masses. But now CGI is better and people have become accustomed to crazy comic book **** through the gradual process of comic book movies getting more ambitious in world-building.

But the point of comic books is to tell a story, partially through the visual medium. That makes it more similar to movies than to video games. Or at least, Nintendo games, where, in many cases, the story is mostly just dressing for the gameplay. In some ways that makes it more similar to movies than traditional books. And that doesn't mean you can't adapt what little story exists, it just means you're going to need to take greater liberties. Which, one, differentiates the process from comic books (which often have to simplify instead of expound), and two, entails something which Nintendo has historically been hesitant to do... not just focus on narrative, but to take liberties that may stray from the core of their series, as the entire focus shifts to something which has previously only been ancillary.

So it's not that it can't be done... it's just very different.

You also have to contend with the question of conflicting tone among different Nintendo series, if you wanted to cross them over. Which I really don't think would ever happen in the movie/TV space. There's really only two main worlds with comic books, Marvel's and DC's. And those worlds are pretty similar to each other. Even ones like TMNT and Spawn, when it comes to their world, are pretty similar. Not so much with Nintendo.

And something like Smash really is the equivalent to a kid playing with their toys, it's not the same as creating some Infinity War. So, individual adaptations, sure, that has and probably will continue to happen with varying degrees of success, but a company-wide crossover in some animated movie/TV form... it's not impossible impossible... but it's not something that ever seems like it would actually happen.
 
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So we're talking about movies and shows now.

I think Zelda would work best if the story was set in the world, but wasn't focused on Link. There's stuff like the war before Twilight Princess that people have been wanting to see for ages, and they wouldn't have to work around a silent protagonist to make those kinds of stories work. Or just relegate Zelda to comic books so they can use the medium to Link's advantage, but I don't know if they would want to put one of their bigger franchises in a less visible commercial space.

If they went the original story route, some new characters would inevitably be made. I'm wondering if there would be demand for those characters to come to Nintendo's games. Like, would people want a movie Zelda character in Smash? It's a mirrored situation compared to what we usually see. Mostly it's characters from non-video game properties originating in or made popular by a game. In this case it would be a character from a video game property originating in a movie. Obviously it won't be a concern for Ultimate, but in the next Smash game it could be a valid question.
 

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Well, bonus points (IMHO) if said Mario / other Nintendo TV series gets to be about as straight up absurd as the Italian / Nordic Disney comics:

(#ThissceneinKH4pls :roll: )
Yooo, I remember that one! It had like three whole sagas too!

Some of these were legitimately interesting, too. I remember Dragonlords, where Scrooge, Donald and the boys went to a medieval fantasy dimension and rode dragons. It was actually awesome.

Come to think of it, I think some of my favorite stories with Scrooge might be the Italian ones lol.
 

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I feel that a ledgend of zelda tv show would be perfect for it not sure which game theyd go off of. I feel that OOT would probably be the most likely. Castlevania is a great example of a videogame tv show done right so it can be done. My most wanted out of this though is a metroid movie.
 

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A long term animated Zelda media franchise really lends itself to doing very efficient storytelling without much padding because once a particular tale is finished, it can always move on to another kind of take on it. Do a more Ocarina based setting and when that's finished, move onto a completely different art style and tone via Wind Waker inspired series. A lot of places that it can go without having to drag out character/story arcs for the sake of length.
 

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I mean for a Sunday discussion at the beginning of a month that likely won't have big news outside rumors/leaks I don't think its too harmful to speak about. If its still going come Monday its probably dominating the thread too much. but if general talk about the Switch and its future is allowed here, then Nintendo's possible/hypothetical ideas for various other media (including if it would include the kind of crossover Smash experiments in) doesn't feel that off topic.
 

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Guys, i don't want to spoil the fun, but wouldn't be more appropriate to discuss about this Nintendo cinematic universe thing on the Social Thread?
Ah yes, so we can go back to discussing... checks notes fake rumors and leakers with very credible information, the dreams we had about Scrimblo Bimblo being revealed at E3, and our weekly Fire Emblem/Geno/Pokemon argument.

In all seriousness, there's really not much in terms of discussion to talk about anyways these days, so anything related to Nintendo announcements, (which the NCU talk very much is since it all started from Nintendo literally saying they would be open to more animation opportunities), seems reasonably on topic in terms of keeping the thread alive without going in the same old loop. The Social Thread seems to have an entirely different community and tends to discuss things that are completely unrelated to video games/Nintendo in general.

In fact I literally posted this article on the Social Thread, and while there were a lot of positive reactions, people tend to quickly move on from topic to topic over there and there hasn't been nearly the same level of engagement in comparison to here.
 

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Yeah, we're running low on new topics right now. So how about this: What if Morty Maxwell from Super Solvers got into Smash (and yes, he counts as a game character)?
 

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Even with Square Enix's hit and miss record with Switch ports, they'd be foolish to at least not try and get some of the Drakengard and Nier titles on the system somehow. There's too much money to be made in Japan alone to at least not try it.
if the switch pro rumors are true, we might get an Automata port. If it can run on a PS4, it could run on a Switch.
 

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Also, apparently Captain N is in fact owned by Nintendo. Take that as you will...
The Power Glove however, is not. :p

The logical thing for our times would be to just give Captain N a pair of Joycons, that can transform into whatever generic tools he needs. A sword and shield, a pair of laser guns, punching gloves, etc.

Can I also make up a challenge where I fill in those blanks with my picks? If so, then:
Then I shall as well!

Rest of Pass 2:
5. Ryu Hayabusa [Ninja Gaiden]
6. Arthur [Ghosts ‘n Goblins]

Pass 3:
1. Bill Rizer/Lance Bean [Contra]
2. Kunio/Riki [River City]
3. Jill Valentine [Resident Evil]
4. Bub/Bob [Bubble Bobble]
5. SV-001 Metal Slug [Metal Slug]
6. Morrigan [Darkstalkers]

Assist Pass:
1. Bomberman [Bomberman]
2. Zero [Mega Man X]
3. Alucard [Castlevania]
4. Shovel Knight [Shovel Knight]

Echo Pass:
11e. Black Shadow [Captain Falcon]
16e. Impa [Sheik]
31e. Liquid Snake [Snake]
38e. Shadow [Sonic]
46e. Bass [Megaman]
 
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The Power Glove however, is not. :p

The logical thing for out times would be to just give Captain N a pair of Joycons, that can transform into whatever generic tools he needs. A sword and shield, a pair of laser guns, punching gloves, etc.


Then I shall as well!

Rest of Pass 2:
5. Ryu Hayabusa [Ninja Gaiden]
6. Arthur [Ghosts ‘n Goblins]

Pass 3:
1. Bill Rizer/Lance Bean [Contra]
2. Kunio/Riki [River City]
3. Jill Valentine [Resident Evil]
4. Bub/Bob [Bubble Bobble]
5. SV-001 Metal Slug [Metal Slug]
6. Morrigan [Darkstalkers]

Assist Pass:
1. Bomberman [Bomberman]
2. Zero [Mega Man X]
3. Alucard [Castlevania]
4. Shovel Knight [Shovel Knight]

Echo Pass:
11e. Black Shadow [Captain Falcon]
16e. Impa [Sheik]
31e. Liquid Snake [Snake]
38e. Shadow [Sonic]
46e. Bass [Megaman]
Interesting choices. Also, I gotta let you know that Shadow could also count as an Assist promotion.
 

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We doing Nintendo cinematic universe? Alright.

okay, we know metroids and komaytos are eerily similar. And luckily for that both Pit and Samus have the ability to cross planets.

F-Zero has James McCloud. Star Fox became G-Zero racers in one ending. They are connected but different dimensions. In the star fox dimension, it’s all animal people. Everyone in both is spacefaring.

Donkey Kong, yoshi, and Mario are obviously in some kind or very direct shared planet. And as of the galaxy games, not confined to it.

Kirby jumps planets all the time. Easy for him to join in.

all works easy, everyone gets their own planets.
"Planet Fire Emblem has too many continents. It's overrepresented".
 
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