Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Wunderwaft]

Me trying to see who Link, Mr. Game and Watch, and R.O.B.'s echos are (Dark Link, Ms. Game and Watch, and Virtual Boy) against Smashboard's black background for posts before figuring out to just right click and "Open Image in New Tab".

Yeah dunno what happened here. I'll scratch it to a typical smashboards glitch with how you have to open the image in a new tab to see it in full size.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Do you all think that Gil and Heihachi's costumes showing back up disconfirms a future Bandai Namco character?

to me, it's not over until Lloyd's costume returns, as that one is still suspiciously absent. and even then they can include new bamco costumes with a new bamco character

 

[SKX31]

I was thinking random since Pikmin aren't on a player for long in the first place(since the Pikmin are damaging them) and as you said, some characters have good air attacks. Maybe it could be within a certain hit-range like every 2-5 hits from a Winged Pikmin so that it's in a predictable range, but it's not entirely predictable.
I understand that RNG can be brutal sometimes, but since the Pikmin aren't on for long since the players are trying to get them off, I don't think it should be easy to predict when it will happen.

That's fully understandable - there are several RNG elements that work on that principle ( 's Judge has a 1/9 chance of getting a 9, for example*). And yeah, honestly, I do think that would be fair since Winged Pikmin who are latched would have a unique thing to them without being overbearing.

*Although TIL:

In addition, if the player is the lowest-ranked player in a match (has fewer stocks or points than any other player), there is a 50% chance of getting a 9 in the last 5 seconds of the match, though this will not bypass the inability to get the same number twice in a row. If this 50% check doesn't succeed, the standard roll will occur, which may result in a 9 regardless, making the effective likelyhood of getting a 9 roughly 56%.

The madman Sakurai tucked that thing in because this is a children's party fighting game. I'm in awe that this sneaky lad would do this. I approve.

As for the Ninten discussion, my, well I don't have that many cents to offer since I never played Mother 1:

I'm kinda ambivalent on the guy. On one hand, Ness is for all practical intents and purposes him and will likely continue to be a mainstay in Smash, so he's in that really awkward spot where his successor represents him... maybe? Also, since there's a whole lot of Mother / Earthbound characters one could also look at them instead if one wanted a fully fledged newcomer. That's not to say Ninten couldn't have a more original design, but he's has some rough competition.

That said: OTOH Smash has frequently had situations where the developers are strapped for time (all 5 games have had last minute (semi)clones) and one could make a case for him there. This is not to say he would need to be a (semi)clone, but his exactly same bodytype to Ness lends itself to him being easy to kickstart development for. If Sakurai wanted to throw in some Mother 1 jank into his moveset, well, nothing stopping him. And Ninten might wind up pretty interesting despite his personality being "Standard 80s RPG Hero".

While I'm not gonna go around expecting a third Mother character anytime soon (and if anything I lean towards Porky being the likliest for a possible Smash 6 onwards base game addition) I don't think Ninten's entirely out of it.

In general, while I do appreciate the creativity of people imagining Echoes for much of the roster, many characters aren't really in need for them. Even as someone who would love to see more DKC elements in Smash, getting likes of Funky Kong as a DK echo really wouldn't feel all that exciting to me. Some fighters the idea is ideal for, and many others it isn't.

If anything, I'd like to see some changes to the existing Echoes, but that's been talked about pretty often. I will say though that Chrom and Lucina are - IMHO - good in this context because there's a gameplay-related reason to pick them over Roy and Marth*. One only picks Daisy / Richter if one prefers their character, which is a shame because they could've been different (even if only in terms of stats). And that's something I'd like to see changed in the future.

*For reference, not only lacks Roy's sweetspot, but also a different combo and pressure game from Roy - I'd argue that Chrom is better on the ground because his damage is more consistent, while is a bit more inconsistent but can wind up killing his opponent at 50 % pretty often. not only lacks tipper, but that lack encourages her to practically smother her opponent with sword swings, while Marth instead wants to space and utilize sweetspots. Marth can kill earlier, but Lucina's more consistent.

 

[SharkLord]

Do you all think that Gil and Heihachi's costumes showing back up disconfirms a future Bandai Namco character?

Not really, no. We've had Miis come without a fighter from the same company, like with Akira and Jacky coming with Terry and not Joker. It's only two Miis, so I'm not hesitant like with Capcom and it's entire wave of Miis. Though, if Lloyd's Mii comes back without a Bamco fighter, then I'm gonna start having major doubts.

to me, it's not over until Lloyd's costume returns, as that one is still suspiciously absent. and even then they can include new bamco costumes with a new bamco character

I feel like a broken record, but it's not that the fighters need Miis to come with them. It's that the Miis are generally timed with the fighter, so if the Miis from the related series or company are released with an unrelated character, it suggests that there isn't a fighter from that series or company to time them with. I think same-company are a bit more lenient than same-series, but if there's a sizeable amount of Miis from that company just casually scattered throughout the pass, I'm gonna get pretty hesitant.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

What case? Sakurai isn't here. There's nothing to be gained by convincing anyone here.

I’m sorry, are you suggesting the opinion of internet strangers doesn’t decide who gets into Smash?

You people need to understand something: if Sakurai thinks a character would be a good echo for another one, he will make it. Heck, calling Chrom an Roy echo even seems a little weird considering he has both moves from him and Ike.

I see where your coming from here, but is it really that weird to call Chrom a Roy echo? Its quite literally what the game designates him as.

 

[chocolatejr9]

What would that even look like? I'll be honest, Mother 3 is basically exactly what I already want out of the series' art style, so while you could update M1 and M2 to that, I don't know what you would do to M3 itself.

Well, a lot of people say the artstyle of the Link's Awakening remake would fit...

 

[TheCJBrine]

Idk about you, I still would have been pushing for a Dark Pit echo fighter. Assuming the distinction would still exist in Ultimate without him. I was one of the few predicting him before the leak actually.

It would be a bit ridiculous if people were predicting or pushing for Dark Pit if Pit still had his Pittoo-looking colors, which is kind of where we stand with Ninten and his near identical color scheme.

I really don’t think his design is that much of an issue for people to push for him even if he’s unlikely as a prediction; his design is similar to Ness’s, but it has noticeable differences beyond the flipped cap:

-Pied eyes (old cartoon-style eyes like Pac-Man)
-Spiky tuft of hair, contrasting Ness’s round tuft
-Apparently his shirt’s yellow stripes are already thinner than the blue stripes and I just forgot, so his shirt is already noticeably different from Ness’s despite the colors
-Blue shoes
-Red socks
-Different facial structure, though I guess this may not matter since Smash 4 and Ultimate kinda ditched how they designed the EarthBound characters previously
-One side of his shirt is tucked into his shorts
-No backpack

If they really need to, they could just make the yellow stripes even thinner or plop the bandana around his neck. Maybe make his blue colors darker (I could’ve sworn they were already darker than Ness’s official clay model’s but I’m not sure).

Something like this could work even without the bandana:

Ninten (MOTHER/EarthBound Beginnings) [Super Smash Bros. Ultimate] [Mods]

A Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (SSBU) Mod in the Ness category, submitted by -Pik-

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On one hand, Ness is for all practical intents and purposes him and will likely continue to be a mainstay in Smash, so he's in that really awkward spot where his successor represents him... maybe?

I remember something about Itoi saying Mother 1 as a whole was basically a beta or something of Mother 2 (despite the different story, characters and locations and stuff which makes it sound weird and maybe he didn’t mean it like literally a beta version that would’ve had scrapped characters etc. in that case, idk), but didn’t he confirm it as canon with Ninten as his own character? Not sure if you’re referring to that or not, but I remember seeing something someone shared of Itoi changing his mind I think, assuming my memory isn’t just confusing stuff... They still represent Ninten in Smash as a Legend spirit at least, though...

edit: okay so I looked on WikiBound and apparently a long time ago, before Ninten was confirmed to be his name, Itoi thought people could see him and the Mother 2 hero as the same kid, but that they could also see them as different kids, and his viewpoint seemed to be based on some players likely using the same name and if Mother 2 was their starting point, not because of Mother 1 being like a beta or it having to do with the story/lore or anything; I assume because back then they were a bit like self-inserts despite having their own qualities and character relationships/family and stuff and the stories being different.

I believe someone did share something about him changing his mind making Ninten certainly a different kid though, and maybe them including him in Smash with Ninten as his official name confirms that, but I don’t remember what the source was, someone just shared it in the previous speculation thread or two within the past few years...

 

[Louie G.]

Something like this could work even without the bandana imo:

Ninten (MOTHER/EarthBound Beginnings) [Super Smash Bros. Ultimate] [Mods]

A Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (SSBU) Mod in the Ness category, submitted by -Pik-

gamebanana.com

For what it's worth, I think this mod is fantastic. It still doesn't convince me Ninten is someone worth adding but I do really love what they did here.

 

[ahemtoday]

Well, a lot of people say the artstyle of the Link's Awakening remake would fit...

It totally would, considering the clay model stuff the series had going on. I just don't really think I would like it better than how M3 already looks.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Well, a lot of people say the artstyle of the Link's Awakening remake would fit...

I’d love a clay style remake like that, iirc it was gonna be a thing for Mother on the GameCube but either Iwata, Itoi or Miyamoto said no

 

[Sigran101]

Loving to hate it implies it’s underserved. They essentially released a beta and let players be the testers and passed it off as a mistake to be fixed in numerous patches.

Perhaps I could've worded that better but it was just a joke.

Cyberpunk absolutely deserved the criticism it got.

I honestly don't know where this comes from. I know it's janky on old systems but it works just fine on PS5, Series X, PC, and even Stadia. I played through the game on Series X and loved it. There were a couple of quests that didn't activate as soon as they were supposed to but other than that I didn't really encounter any glitches. I feel like most people formed their opinions on the game based on funny YouTube videos dissing it.

 

[Guynamednelson]

At least if he was a newcomer now, he’d get his own idle stance and idle animation.

But he wouldn't have ELECTROSHOCK URGH or Dark Pit Staff, because since Smash 4 didn't really establish echoes as a concept, the rule wasn't "gameplay must be 1:1 with the original unless I have somewhere to draw gameplay differences from without really getting creative".

 

[kylexv]

Pic of the Day:

1991年のきょう『シムシティー』(SimCity)スーパーファミコンで発売!!
きょうからあなた､市長です!
私はこれより先に､PC版でプレイしていましたが､ドクターライトはいませんでした｡
ファミコン(NES)版を触ったことがあるのですが､これは発売していませんでしたね……｡#スマブラSP pic.twitter.com/8iNcQNcWvQ

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) April 26, 2021

SimCity turns 30 today!

 

[Aboyd]

Some of these changes might not fit an Echo to be honest, and might put Shadow in the category of a Semi-Clone, but it is what it is.

To be fair, Ken is like that as well

 

[osby]

To be fair, Ken is like that as well

Ken is a thing that exist but tbh, most echo suggestions people throw around are like "literally all of their stats are different, they have three different specials lifted from five different characters, they only share two hitboxes and maybe their bodyshape with the base fighter."

At that point, why not make them original?

 

[CapitaineCrash]

As for the Ninten discussion, my, well I don't have that many cents to offer since I never played Mother 1:

I'm kinda ambivalent on the guy. On one hand, Ness is for all practical intents and purposes him and will likely continue to be a mainstay in Smash, so he's in that really awkward spot where his successor represents him... maybe? Also, since there's a whole lot of Mother / Earthbound characters one could also look at them instead if one wanted a fully fledged newcomer. That's not to say Ninten couldn't have a more original design, but he's has some rough competition.

That said: OTOH Smash has frequently had situations where the developers are strapped for time (all 5 games have had last minute (semi)clones) and one could make a case for him there. This is not to say he would need to be a (semi)clone, but his exactly same bodytype to Ness lends itself to him being easy to kickstart development for. If Sakurai wanted to throw in some Mother 1 jank into his moveset, well, nothing stopping him. And Ninten might wind up pretty interesting despite his personality being "Standard 80s RPG Hero".

While I'm not gonna go around expecting a third Mother character anytime soon (and if anything I lean towards Porky being the likliest for a possible Smash 6 onwards base game addition) I don't think Ninten's entirely out of it.

What didn't help Ninten for Smash is the fact that his game was Japan exclusive for 26 years (it came on the Wii u in 2015, after Smash 4 release). And even now, the game is stuck on the wii u virtual console, I don't think it's that popular. Mother 3 is at least pretty known for being a meme online, and having a big cult following online too, but Mother 1 never had that. And to be honest there's a reason for that... Mother 1 is just not really good. I mean, it's a ok game for NES rpg standard, but it really didn't aged well and the game is very slow, has a lot (and I mean a lot) of random encounter, and has huge difficulty spike. The story is good, but it shares a lot of similarities with his sequel Mother 2 so it was always overshadow.

Personally, I'm not against Ninten in Smash, but I really don't care about him. Even as a clone, I think his design it soo similar to Ness to be really intersting (unlike Daisy and Richter). Porky has always be my first choice for the next Mother rep, but I would also like Masked man or maybe Kumatora as a semi clone (although she's very different in game, I think she could work as a semi clone).

Pic of the Day:

1991年のきょう『シムシティー』(SimCity)スーパーファミコンで発売!!
きょうからあなた､市長です!
私はこれより先に､PC版でプレイしていましたが､ドクターライトはいませんでした｡
ファミコン(NES)版を触ったことがあるのですが､これは発売していませんでしたね……｡#スマブラSP pic.twitter.com/8iNcQNcWvQ

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) April 26, 2021

SimCity turns 30 today!

Sakurai celebrating a EA franchise anniversary? Commander Shepard confirmed

 

[Diddy Kong]

Someone else remembers Priam. And yeah, he would definitely work as an Echo, but unfortunately, he's pretty unknown. At least until he appears in FEH...which may be forever with how slow they are with Awakening characters.

Priam is still a character I'd love to see star his own Fire Emblem game honestly.

 

[zumaddy]

Savvy Stylist/New Style Boutique Stylist would be the GOAT joke character of Smash Bros, I don't care how unlikely it is. Do the right thing Mr. Sakurai.

 

[7NATOR]

Ken is a thing that exist but tbh, most echo suggestions people throw around are like "literally all of their stats are different, they have three different specials lifted from give different characters, they only share two hitboxes and maybe their bodyshape with the base fighter."

At that point, why not make them original?

That's what I'm saying

in any case, I think the problem with Echo Fighter discussion is that for certain characters it affects, it tends to steer the conversation about their Merits as an echo fighter, and ignore, or at least heavily downplay the merits of them as an Original Fighter

For all intents and Purposes, characters like Shadow and Dixie, while they can be echoes theoretically, They have ALL the merits to match up to unique fighters in the game, but because of things like Similar body shape, Echo Fighter label, and not too many unique fighters having similar bodytypes, they usually just get discussed in Echo Fighter material

Isabelle was in a similar situation before she was revealed.


And honestly, even regarding Echo Fighter suggestions, the actual merits of the characters themselves tend to be Ignored alot of the time. Every Echo Fighter had a reason to be in the game without regarding how easy they were to make in comparison to Unique Fighters. They aren't gonna add Dry Bowser, or Hilda as Echo Fighters because they can be after all

 

[Perkilator]

Ken is a thing that exist but tbh, most echo suggestions people throw around are like "literally all of their stats are different, they have three different specials lifted from give different characters, they only share two hitboxes and maybe their bodyshape with the base fighter."

At that point, why not make them original?

Because I don’t want them to be just a last-minute glorified alt. Given a bit more time, I think at the very least Echoes could have at least the same kinds of differences as Dark Pit.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I see where your coming from here, but is it really that weird to call Chrom a Roy echo? Its quite literally what the game designates him as.

Sakurai literally stated that when he tried to work Chrom out as a fighter for Smash 4, no matter how he tried, Chrom would end up being an exact mixture of Marth and Ike. So he opted for Robin instead, and eventually Lucina too of course.

Roy getting in as a revamped Marth semi clone might just come close to how Sakurai envisioned Chrom, and he just went by it because of popular demand.

I still feel Chrom is probably one of, if not the best done Echo Fighter. Purely cause of how much the lack of a sword sweet spot makes a difference. I feel the same way about Lucina.

 

[cashregister9]

Sakurai celebrating a EA franchise anniversary? Commander Shepard confirmed

Shephard is way to basic

PLUMBOB ALL THE WAY BABY!

The Plumbob would be the playable character

Their alts could be different moods and occults.

 

[Cosmic77]

Personally, I don't think it's necessarily a win for a character to become an Echo unless they were extremely unlikely to ever get in Smash without being one.

Characters like Chrom and Dark Samus would likely have been pushed aside for more relevant and higher priority additions, so them becoming an Echo was a good thing. Characters like Octolings or Shadow though? Characters who could easily get in as unique additions at literally any point in time because they maintain their relevance and continue to make appearances? I don't see it as a victory TBH. It's a bittersweet win at best.

I'm sure there's plenty of people who would be content with an Echo; clone or no clone, their character got in Smash, and they're just happy that they can finally play as that character. If that's not you, then be prepared for said character to be stuck with that moveset for possibly forever. They might get a few adjustments, but I don't see Sakurai deviating too much from what he originally gave the character. You'll be left thinking, "Man, they could've done so much more."

Do you all think that Gil and Heihachi's costumes showing back up disconfirms a future Bandai Namco character?

Anyone who throws around the word "disconfirm" that easily is getting way ahead of themselves. Obviously a Namco character is still possible.

That being said, I can say whether or not I think it's very likely to happen. I don't think those two costumes are a very promising sign, but hey, that's just an opinion.

 

[Ivander]

So....Fire Emblem Heroes recently got a new Feh Channel. Nothing much new. But on the other hand...

Kiran's Gun Breidablik can now transform into a Sword, Lancer and Axe. The Gun was already a Colorless Tome so the only thing that changes with the different Tome colors is the color of Breidablik. They not only showed new sprites for the Sword, Axe and Lance versions of Breidablik, but Kiran controls them telekinetically, similar to Pyra and Mythra with their weapons.

So not only does Kiran have a gun that fires out thunder magic and summons Heroes, but their gun can now transform into a sword, lance and axe that Kiran can control with telekinesis. So it's safe to assume that if Kiran becomes a character for Smash, they'll be a zoner character.

 

[RGFS]

Shephard is way to basic

PLUMBOB ALL THE WAY BABY!

The Plumbob would be the playable character

Their alts could be different moods and occults.

I would love a Mii Hat that's just the Plumbob floating above and it slowly goes from green to red as you take damage. We have SimCity in Smash already but it would be really nice to see the biggest Sim thing in too.

 

[SharkLord]

So....Fire Emblem Heroes recently got a new Feh Channel. Nothing much new. But on the other hand...

Kiran's Gun Breidablik can now transform into a Sword, Lancer and Axe. The Gun was already a Colorless Tome so the only thing that changes with the different Tome colors is the color of Breidablik. They not only showed new sprites for the Sword, Axe and Lance versions of Breidablik, but Kiran controls them telepathically, similar to Pyra and Mythra with their weapons.

So not only does Kiran have a gun that fires out thunder magic and summons Heroes, but his gun can now transform into a sword, lance and axe that Kiran can control telepathically. So it's safe to assume that if Kiran becomes a character for Smash, he'll be a zoner character.

So we can give Byleth a full whipsword moveset and give the bulk of their current one to Kiran (Plus a couple gun/summoning moves in place of Failnaught's attacks) while retaining accuracy for both of them? Sounds like a win to me.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Well, a lot of people say the artstyle of the Link's Awakening remake would fit...

I hated that art style. But it WOULD make sense for Earthbound. More than for Zelda at least.

 

[Ivander]

So we can give Byleth a full whipsword moveset and give the bulk of their current one to Kiran (Plus a couple gun/summoning moves in place of Failnaught's attacks) while retaining accuracy for both of them? Sounds like a win to me.

No. As far as it shows, Kiran doesn't directly wield their weapons when they are a Sword, Axe or Lance. Only telekinetically, like what Pyra and Mythra do for some of their attacks. Part of what gives Byleth their moveset is the weight from their weapons. When Byleth uses Aymr, the axe, there is real weight to their attacks and look like they should be strong and heavy. Kiran makes their weapon float, so there would be next to no weight for their weapons. they wouldn't be swinging the axe with their bare strength, it would be more akin to Pyra's Neutral Special.

 

[SharkLord]

No. As far as it shows, Kiran doesn't directly wield their weapons when they are a Sword, Axe or Lance. Only telekinetically, like what Pyra and Mythra do for some of their attacks. Part of what gives Byleth their moveset is the weight from their weapons. When Byleth uses Aymr, the axe, there is real weight to their attacks and look like they should be strong and heavy. Kiran makes their weapon float, so there would be next to no weight for their weapons. they wouldn't be swinging the axe with their bare strength, it would be more akin to Pyra's Neutral Special.

Huh, good point. Though maybe we could charge them somehow, but I doubt Kiran has any way to do that. Nixing that idea.

 

[Guynamednelson]

We have SimCity in Smash already but it would be really nice to see the biggest Sim thing in too

I remember seeing the original Dr. Wright AT reveal thinking it could lead to further content from other Sim games for some reason. Mainly because I was a huge Sim nut back then.

 

[ForsakenM]

to me, it's not over until Lloyd's costume returns, as that one is still suspiciously absent. and even then they can include new bamco costumes with a new bamco character

It's not mysteriously absent. It will be returning in one of the last two MCWs.

Every single other 3rd Party costume from Smash 4 has returned, and since all 11 characters were decided on in 2018, so was the decision to re-release all those costumes for more money for all parties. However, as I've said a hundred times in the last month or so, his costume means nothing for his chances one way or the other.

As for Gil and Heihachi, their costumes aren't killers either, but rather their situations. Gil is from a franchise that isn't really a thing anymore if we are being honest with ourselves, and Heihachi was attempted but ultimately it was deemed not possible to accurately and properly do Tekken justice in Smash due to the complex nature of Tekken versus the innate simplicity of Smash. See, with games like Street Fighter and Fatal Fury/King of Fighters, characters have iconic moves they always have so grabbing moves to pick is super easy. They are also 2D Fighters and have less variety of inputs, so they are much easier to realize. Go look up a Tekken Movelist in your spare time and look at how complex just some of the directional inputs are, then realize many moves rely on inputting them during a rising-from-crouch animation or during a side-step animation or cause them to crouch/sidestep and now you get a glimpse on why it wasn't possible to do for Smash 4.

The question for Heihachi is if Sakurai found a way to make it work or not, which I doubt he did. Tekken is just too far removed from Smash in base design to make it happen without taking out tons of elements that make Tekken what it is, but you really never know. On top of that, Tales Series is very popular and both Yuri and Lloyd are much more requested, so it really makes more sense to go that route.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Honestly, while if wouldn’t be perfect representation like Steve or Mega Man. I think putting Heihachi in the game using a moveset similar to Street Fighter X Tekken would be fine for Smash. It could still be a unique and interesting addition, all things considered. Though the Mii Costume has sealed Tekkens fate for now, unfortunately.

Or Sakurai could just Overhaul Smash into a 3d fighting game. Whos to say which is more likely?

 

[DevaAshera]

I'm playing Nier Replicant 1.22 atm, and this just makes me wish 2B is going to be one of the remaining DLC all the more.

Yeah, yeah, another sword fighter or whatever, but I think she'd be really cool regardless.

I think 2B would be an awesome character..I don't know if people really care that much about sword fighters as much as they don't like characters they don't know. I mean, most of the sword fighters are fun to play as and have unique movesets for the most part..with only a little overlap, but no more than some of the unarmed fighters..plus she could use other weapons from NieR Automata, like fists, spears, and the like..like in her Soul Calibur VI appearance.

 

[StrangeKitten]

Oh, we should get a Mother 1 character as an echo fighter, alright...

Spoiler

 

[RaintheCriminalWhirlwind]

Sakurai celebrating a EA franchise anniversary? Commander Shepard confirmed

I mean, Commander Shepard is a paragon amongst humans

 

[Gorgonzales]

Honestly, while if wouldn’t be perfect representation like Steve or Mega Man. I think putting Heihachi in the game using a moveset similar to Street Fighter X Tekken would be fine for Smash. It could still be a unique and interesting addition, all things considered. Though the Mii Costume has sealed Tekkens fate for now, unfortunately.

Or Sakurai could just Overhaul Smash into a 3d fighting game. Whos to say which is more likely?

a 3D Smash is actually an interesting concept that I've thought about for a while. Maybe as a spin-off of the main series.

Of course you'd have to change some things; each player would probably need their own camera (split-screen) to account for situations that one camera can't handle like one character being under the stage while another is above it.

Side-specials would be tied to all directions of the control stick since it's a free-moving game. The four shoulder buttons would probably be dedicated to jumping, crouching, shielding, and grabbing, with up and down specials being tied to pressing the B and jump/crouch buttons at the same time. Tilts and Smash Attacks are in a similar boat.

Every character would probably also be given a sideways-aerial too.

 

[Will]

Sakurai celebrating a EA franchise anniversary? Commander Shepard confirmed

And just forget the industry innovation that was Ultimate Ronaldinho Soccer 64 for Nintendo 64? I'm pretty sure that game was a bootleg.

 

[cashregister9]

Do you all think that Gil and Heihachi's costumes showing back up disconfirms a future Bandai Namco character?

I personally think so, but it wouldn't shock me if we get a Bamco character anyways

The Lloyd Costume missing does not change things one way or the other IMO.

 

[JOJONumber691]

So, if you guys had to choose one stage to bring back from any of the previous 5 Smash Games as a Bonus to fill up the Three Missing Stage Slots, which ones would they be?

 

[Deleted member]

So, if you guys had to choose one stage to bring back from any of the previous 5 Smash Games as a Bonus to fill up the Three Missing Stage Slots, which ones would they be?

Pokefloats all the way