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Oh that's simple, "Gotta have all 3 protagonists to properly rep a series that has significantly more love than most franchises around it's size or else it's underrepped" despite no worldwide release until 8 years ago. Not to say Earthbound should have less content and love, but it's clearly doing more than fine
Yeah, if they think THAT'S underrepped and unloved, then they must not have noticed F-Zero, the other franchise that debuted as a hidden Smash franchise in Smash 1.
Me trying to see who Link, Mr. Game and Watch, and R.O.B.'s echos are (Dark Link, Ms. Game and Watch, and Virtual Boy) against Smashboard's black background for posts before figuring out to just right click and "Open Image in New Tab".Wanna see the most asinine echo roster list?
No?
Too bad, feast your eyes upon this monstrosity.
I disagree because Ninten doesn’t have the same clear outfit or color differences that those two have. He and Ness are effectively the same character by design, the distinction is significantly less. The flipped cap or opposite pattern on the shirt aren’t gonna read from a distance. Dr. Mario at least has a totally different getup and Pit and Dark Pit have really strong color contrast.
That seems like a fair and valid defense. I suppose you feel the same way about Pac-Man’s alt costumes as they are barely that different?
This is what I'm talking about when I say it's hilarious, your examples as to why Literally The Exact Same As Ness In All But Name is actually very cool and not laughable are
How so? Those are all the same character in Pac-Man, so I’m not sure why they need to be super different.
Because of their visual similarities.
what you're saying is that we should add Dr. Ness, right?
So because something bad exists we shouldn't dislike it if it was doubled down on, got it
Dr Ness is a fraud, we need Robot Ness to represent Giygas because that's what your average gamer will pop off to
To be fair he also has blue shoes, his tuft of hair is kinda spiky, if they tweak the size of his shirt’s stripes they’d be easy to tell apart from Ness’s, his face is different including pied eyes, and they could add in the bandana from the commercial.
I think because they could maybe be seen as confusing for some people if there’s more than one Pac-Man on screen, at least if there weren’t the P(number) icons, like the implication with Ninten and Ness (which wouldn’t be bad imo if they take the original design and tweak the clothes, I think Ninten would also not have a backpack like Ness does).
I think it’s a lot different to have minimal visual similarities between alternate colors and costumes vs a separate character or echo fighter. But yeah, Pac-Man’s alternate costumes do suck.
Not trying to be rude I do see where you’re coming from, but “Ness with asthma” is the funniest character pitch ever.
Ness but if he uses PK Fire too many times he ****ing dies, that'd certainly make some people happy I guess
But he’s not just Ness with asthma :S I mean if Sakurai and his team are really afraid to try a more unique play style then I guess that’d be right, but he does have his own stuff and they could use stuff like Defense Down or something as well...
This whole topic got brought up because of Echo Fever, literally every character can be unique but in the case of Ninten, the only reason to include him is just as cynical as Gen 8 Pokemon, gotta rep em all!
What case? Sakurai isn't here. There's nothing to be gained by convincing anyone here.
Well yeah I can see where you’re coming from in that case; I saw echoes mentioned but then gave my thoughts on him as a more unique character and I guess I’ve been reading y’all wrong, there’s others who want Ninten not because of “representation” but they don’t seem to be very active anymore...
No offence but I find that last bit hard to believe, when ever people talk about the franchise, it's always the sequels that get the love and praise. For other characters, it's always **** like Gigue, Jeff, Porky, Masked Man and Kumatora I see flying around with varied degrees of popularity, which isn't surprising as Ninten's your typical silent selfinsert protagonist who uses the same kind of **** as most major characters in the series
And how does that invalidate the fact that if Ninten was playable and Dark Pit wasn’t, people would defend the former whilst considering the latter as “laughable” like you see Ninten?
Well there’s a Ninten thread that had some cool people wanting him me included, and Ninten does have a bit of his own cool stuff.
Idk about you, I still would have been pushing for a Dark Pit echo fighter. Assuming the distinction would still exist in Ultimate without him. I was one of the few predicting him before the leak actually.
At least if he was a newcomer now, he’d get his own idle stance and idle animation.
Dry Bowser was a missed opportunity, I hate being reminded of the fact that he's still not playable even as an alt costume.Wanna see the most asinine echo roster list?
No?
Too bad, feast your eyes upon this monstrosity.
Dry Bowser should be an alt yes. Midbus is the one who should be an echo
What would that even look like? I'll be honest, Mother 3 is basically exactly what I already want out of the series' art style, so while you could update M1 and M2 to that, I don't know what you would do to M3 itself.
Same way I think Capcom costumes disconfirm Dante and Phoenix Wright and those Splatoon costumes disconfirmed anymore Nintendo characters, so no. However, it’s fair to say that we won’t be getting a Tekken character for FP2 for the same kind of logic that November 2019 spirit event means we won’t get a Gen 8 Pokemon.
No, at the very worst, I think it'd just deconfirm those specific characters. On the other hand, since Heihachi's Mii costume is based off his young appearance, would his old appearance still be p[ossible?
