Ulevo
Smash Master
Marios Cape actually just reverses and pop the Tornado up. However, that is still useful, so I thought I would put it in the list. Pits Mirror Shield does nothing.
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As Sonic, I've Fsmashed and Baired him out of it, actually.
Sonic's jab can stop it too. lol
Sonic's jab can stop it too. lol
Arturito_Burrito
Smash Master
Isn't this still incomplete because there are some moves that still aren't categorized with colors?
Might have been asked before sorry if it was just don't feel like reading trough the pages atm.
Might have been asked before sorry if it was just don't feel like reading trough the pages atm.
manhunter098
Smash Lord
You also forgot to add that DKs f-air can take him out of the tornado too. Not exactly sure how effective it is though, but it works.
Noa.
Smash Master
Very useful info I must say.
Ulevo
Smash Master
FSmash clanks with it most of the time. Bair needs to be hit with the top end, and is too difficult to perform that way. You're out to lunch if you think Sonics Jab works.
The regular white text just suggests the move in question breaks the front of the Tornado. I didn't list that since I felt it would be common sense.
I didn't forget it, I left it out. It is too slow to merit use.
infomon
Smash Scientist
Yeah. Sonic's jab would only work when the tornado is on the ground and you barely hit the tornado -- just its hitbox -- which will cause MK to quickly stop the tornado, but without getting hurt. Any attack will do this, really, and it only happens when the 'nado's on the ground.
ChocoboDX
Smash Cadet
Thanks for the thread. Glad to see G&W has roughly infinite possibilities to kill whorenado.
Ulevo pwn.
Ulevo pwn.
asob4
Smash Champion
olimar's nair goes through the tornado in the corner and top i'm pretty sure
You are still missing a bunch for Diddy:
Side B (both the hump and the kick)
B-Air
Rocket Barrels
Side B (both the hump and the kick)
B-Air
Rocket Barrels
MysticKenji
Smash Master
I'm wondering why you have utilt, but not usmash...Ganondorf
Dash Attack***
FTilt**
FSmash**
DTilt*
UTilt**
Dair**
Warlock Kick**
smallwolf24
Smash Journeyman
Amazing List this is very good information thanks a lot 
OmegaXF
Smash Ace
Great Read.
talk to me about dedede. mostly attacking the top of the tornado with an aerial. should I try to like fly higher than him and try to hit a spot in particular to go through with bair? must i fastfall at some point? do i try to hit towards the middle of his nade?
Solo Assass1n
Smash Journeyman
ZSS's Down B ALWAYS gets through the tornado.
Drecker
Smash Ace
Warlock Punch beats tornado.
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
Where is Sonic's Fsmash and Dsmash? @_@
The Fsmash must have Sonic's fist connect with the lower aprt of the tornado. Same with the Dsmash (second swing back)
I am very sure from testing it.
If you are clanking its probably because you are hitting with the tip of the fist so you aren't reaching the actual hurtbox.
The Fsmash must have Sonic's fist connect with the lower aprt of the tornado. Same with the Dsmash (second swing back)
I am very sure from testing it.
If you are clanking its probably because you are hitting with the tip of the fist so you aren't reaching the actual hurtbox.
This list is dumb... half the moves you have listed for Wario will only work situationally or if the MK is either starting up the nado or presses B a whopping one time. The only moves of Wario's that consistently beat it are ftilt, if you can predict the nado (it's too slow to stop it if you start doing it after the nado is out) and his divebomb dair through the middle :\
Bike Parts don't work, nado takes you off the bike, fsmash only works at the very beginning or if you somehow superarmor it, etc etc.
Bike Parts don't work, nado takes you off the bike, fsmash only works at the very beginning or if you somehow superarmor it, etc etc.
I seriously doubt Wario's tires will go through tornado. They get beat by normal, low priority attacks, so why they beat out tornado is beyond me. Are you sure you are testing these attacks at the optimal time? Cause I also cannot believe Dsmash would hit MK out of tornado reliably. He would have to be pretty low for the hit box to reach him.
Ulevo
Smash Master
I doubt it, but I'll test it later.
Side B doesn't work. I don't know how many times I've been told it does, and I've restested it for confirmation. But it simply doesn't unfortunately. At least not from the front, which is realistically the only way you could use it. Bair does not work either.
I tried to get Rocket Barrel to work, and I couldn't, but even if it could, I can't see it being applicable due to how difficult it is to use.
That's because it would be a mistake. Thanks for pointing it out.
The best methods for Dedede to combat the Tornado are to either...
A) DTilt. This works really well I find, and is a fast attack.
B) Use DSmash for kills if you can pull it off. It comes out relatively quick, and kills Meta Knight at very low percent. Not as easy to pull off as DTilt, but easy enough if you have good reaction.
C)Use Bair on the upper corners of the Nado, via SH Bair or fast fall Bair from high up. If Meta Knight manages to get you in the Nado, and he brings you upwards with it, hit him on the way down with a Bair. This will cancel any second Nado coming your way, or it will hit him anyway. If he doesn't carry you up, he is vulnerable.
D) Shield, and either grab if he finishes close, or FTilt if he lands far. If you can't hit him via FTilt, you're a safe distance away and can find another method to approach him.
E) UTilt him if he ever uses it on platforms, or if he is too high up with Tornado.
I don't believe it does unless it goes through the top. Even in that instance, it may be too situational. I'll relook into it.
Bike Parts I'm almost positive work. I remember them working for me on a number of occasions. But I'll humour you and recheck. FSmash has SA, and is quite fast on start up. It just needs spacing. Nado won't take you off the Bike if you wheely, but looking at it now that may be too impractical. And DSmash comes out fast just like FSmash, and does work.
Mocha19
Smash Journeyman
Zelda's Nayru's Love can go through it as well if timed correctly or if you fall inside the tornado after slightly DI'ing out of the top of it. Just thought I'd put that in there. =D
Cronius
Smash Apprentice
I don't know if this has been said yet, and since I'm not reading 13 pages to find out I'm just going to say that with this opening...
I DON'T CARE IF YOU THINK I LEFT OUT A MOVE THAT IS OBVIOUSLY USELESS. NO ONE CARES IF WARLOCK PUNCH BEATS MACH TORNADO. GIVE ME BETTER RESPONSES IF YOU REALLY THINK I MISSED SOMETHING, AND PROVIDE LOGICAL REASON FOR ADDING IT HERE.
...you would think the person writing would choose not to include Gannondorf's UTilt as an attack that could beat the Mach Tornado. I mean, as tournament-useable as that move is, it might not belong in this thread, either.
I DON'T CARE IF YOU THINK I LEFT OUT A MOVE THAT IS OBVIOUSLY USELESS. NO ONE CARES IF WARLOCK PUNCH BEATS MACH TORNADO. GIVE ME BETTER RESPONSES IF YOU REALLY THINK I MISSED SOMETHING, AND PROVIDE LOGICAL REASON FOR ADDING IT HERE.
...you would think the person writing would choose not to include Gannondorf's UTilt as an attack that could beat the Mach Tornado. I mean, as tournament-useable as that move is, it might not belong in this thread, either.
deepseadiva
Bodybuilding Magical Girl
My addition was ignored. If you're going to include the rare stitchface as a counter, why not the much more common winky?Peach's
Napilopez
Smash Lord
Its really hard to, lol. I spent like 20 mins testing with Kinzer, and I couldnt get it to do more than clang, although I did it in a match a couple of times for some reason. I think perhaps it only works with aerial tornados or off of a charged fsmash?
Anyways, your better off using homing attack anyways, if your lined up with the top of the nado, you'll hit him out like a gagillion percent of the time from my testing, lol.
Watch for Side-B: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3kcnBfVwB0
Watch for Barrels (barrels are ineffective, but if one gets lose and randomly hits MK, it will break nado):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6uMS2d3Oaw&feature=related
And you could just trust me on the B-air <.<
Ulevo
Smash Master
That was a mistake. It was supposed to be USmash.
That is on grounded Tornados only, which are almost never present in a real match. Most Tornados are slightly levitated, giving Meta Knight more priority, making Side B next to impossible, or very impractical.
And no, I can't take your word on the Bair.
Because the winky turnip doesn't work. And to reconfirm, I just tested again.
You know Diddy can jump to elevate himself, right? Thats like saying: great, bananas work, but what MK is going to tornado on the same plane as Diddy Kong? Of course Diddy can just jump and throw the banana, just like he can jump and do the Side-B.
deepseadiva
Bodybuilding Magical Girl
Eww, really? I could have sworn...
Maybe it was another face. I'll go do some quick testing.
Storm_Fox
Smash Apprentice
I somehow grabbed him out of the tornado with Fox on FD . I dont know how but i recorded it
deepseadiva
Bodybuilding Magical Girl
Okay, so after some tests turnip merely cancels it.
It's the Ditto-face turnip that breaks through.
Also the bomb-omb.
And the beamsword thrown and its fsmash both cut through.
Peach just has to get lucky.
turnip merely cancels it.It's the Ditto-face turnip that breaks through.
Also the bomb-omb.
And the beamsword thrown and its fsmash both cut through.
Peach just has to get lucky.
Dynomite
Smash Champion
dins fire doesnt go through tornado?
towelie892
Smash Cadet
Excellent job, TC. Very helpful!
Rogue Pit
Smash Lord
You included Forward tilt for Pit to stop the tornado.
Some Other things I've realized work
D-tilt seems to be the best, It's faster than F-tilt and has the same range horizontally. But if they are too high it will not work.
Second slash of Forward smash works if it's timed. Doesn't work well if they aren't expecting it.
Nair Along with Dair works if they are at the top of the tornado.
U-air works if Mk is above, but that's unlikely.
Also His D-smash works like his D-tilt, but not if they are too high.
Some Other things I've realized work
D-tilt seems to be the best, It's faster than F-tilt and has the same range horizontally. But if they are too high it will not work.
Second slash of Forward smash works if it's timed. Doesn't work well if they aren't expecting it.
Nair Along with Dair works if they are at the top of the tornado.
U-air works if Mk is above, but that's unlikely.
Also His D-smash works like his D-tilt, but not if they are too high.
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