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I don't understand. Used like that, "universal" sounds like a bad word. Can you be more specific?
I agree, universal was bad wording
Smash is now overly popular, gigantic. Its ok for Nintendo being a proud company, advertising its newer instalments of established IP's within it, but it has been done to where, its wrong. Smash Bros shouldn't be used to save late additions as Byleth.
Thank you, it's more clear. I agree with you on this promotional aspect (but let's not forget K. Rool and Ridley).I agree, universal was bad wording
No, Dude! There is a massive difference between, historically requested as K. Rool and Ridley and out the blue additions like Byleth. Ridley and K. Rool were no means "Desperate" additions when your talking about length importance to their respective roles. Byleth will probably be another technical "one off" Fire Emblem protagonist that happens per game.
Relax, "dude". I was just saying that all choices are not obviously commercial like Byleth.
Considering Smash 64 "Classic" is the exact same for everyone, doesn't that mean fixed Classic runs are actually true classics?
So you are gate keeping then?I agree, universal was bad wording
Alas, this till holds true for me…what a missed opportunity.I’ve been thinking since October that maybe we could solve this issue by giving most of the Echo Fighters the custom moves from their original fighters. Here were some ideas I proposed:
-Dense Charge Shot
Never said Smash was bad for being overly popular, bro. Smash being overly popular IS a bad thing because it opens Pandora's box. Byleth being added is lame and desperate. Nintendo shouldn't see Smash as a savior of sequels that releases after.
Nobody said it’s all-perfect. Not every character is for everyone.
I did see that video a few days ago. Overall, I agree with most of what it has to say, but I don't think it's as tight or as well-written as the one I linked in this thread earlier. I especially don't really like how much emphasis this person puts on the November 1st Direct, which while an underwhelming crock of **** by any metric, is less an issue with the game itself and more an issue with how Nintendo frontloaded all the hype reveals pre-release (which they always do, to be frank).
Most of this video just feels like "it's not sm4sh, so it's bad". If people like 4 so much they're willing to hate on Ultimate because it's different, then I don't see why they can't just play that game instead.
Well, the obvious answer there is that Smash 4 is a dead game and nobody plays it anymore because Ultimate's the next big thing. It's like if I told someone whose favorite game is Brawl to "just play Brawl." Not exactly a realistic option at this point, is it?
Being "dead" and "irrelevant" sure hasn't stopped Melee. And Brawl proves that people won't just tolerate a game for being current if it well and truly isn't well-designed competitively. So what does that say about Ultimate's current scene and it's detractors with that in mind?
The link does make an exception to the notion that because something is popular, it now sucks. It could be argued that SSBU isn't as good as it could be. I do have my own opinions about SSBU, and while I'll share them, I don't wish to invest time in argumentation.
The key difference there is that Melee, despite all the memers joking about how it's a "dead game," still has an active playerbase. How many people are still playing Smash 4 or Brawl in the current year?
Melee isn't dead, or irrelevant. Smash 4 pretty much is. For Glory is filled with bots because matchmaking is like Battlefield 1 servers.
Yeah, and? I could also say Focus Attacks in SFIV are a direct defensive downgrade from the parries in Third Strike, but I don't remember hearing any unanimous claims the game is worse competitively for it.
This is why I'm honestly starting to find posts responding to my effort in critiques increasingly annoying because my "opinion" shouldn't be treated as fact that it will effect Ultimate's sells.
My patience is tired.
Fine, then. Report away. You clearly have way too many problems with people who genuinely enjoy Ultimate and that some don’t care as much about the widely talked-about criticisms.This is why I'm honestly starting to find posts responding to my effort in critiques increasingly annoying because my "opinion" shouldn't be treated as fact that it will effect Ultimate's sells.
Anymore responsive posts other than asking me to elaborate will get a report hammer
Yup. And you shouldn't let my problems with Ultimate determine your enjoyment of the game. Its common sense people.
See, this is one thing I'll never understand: how does a game having less creative and more restrictive movement make it more appealing for anyone? To me, it doesn't even make the game more accessible, it just makes it less creative and more restrictive in how you can express yourself while playing it. (Also to your first point, I'm pretty sure there are people who still play Third Strike and prefer it to future Street Fighters as a competitive game. They just aren't the majority, obviously.)
The video didn't offer any new criticism. Sure, some may acknowledge the flaws and continue playing because the flaws don't ruin the game for them. Then, of course, playing for over a year, especially if you're well-known or partnered with a sponsor is too much to just call it quits and move onto something else.
put on his Doctor costume from Planet Robobot when he copies was a missed opportunity.
Why don't you ask the tourney organizers who restrict item and stage use? Are they not restricting you from showing your skill in exploiting stage hazards or how well you can zip around Temple and Great Cave Offensive with Sonic?
I can see what you're getting at for competitive players, even if it's somewhat weaker in Smash's regard due to NIntendo not making serious sponshorship efforts...
I'm not referring to Nintendo and sponsorship. There are others who sponsor professional players. (Professional here simply means getting paid, as opposed to amateur, or someone who doesn't get paid.) You can dislike something and spend a lot of hours on it. See ZeRo, who admitted back in SSB4 that he actually didn't like the game. He continued because that was his source of income, even though that income was less than what you could make working at McDonald's. I gave SSBU a year. It was something I told myself because I waited for potential corrections from patches. I didn't say playing perpetuates flaws. Rather, if you're dissatisfied with something like SSBU and you're aware of the flaws, continuing to play isn't a wise decision. Yet, for me, I continued playing because I had spent so many hours. To quit would mean those hours I spent could have been spent on something else. That's all.
Of course, that link goes on to provide examples on how popularity can affect a work in different ways. Not every example is black and white, and this goes to show that popularity doesn't inherintly make a product worse nor better. I've yet to see a good reason why Ultimate has suffered because of it, and while it can always be argued that it can be better, what can't be? Some things don't turn up exactly as we want them to. I want to say a couple of things as well in response:
Smash includes many icons from Nintendo games and the industry in general. It is only natural that that it has the attention it has now. How do you even control something like that? For some works, popularity may even come by accident.
Nobody in this thread has ever implied that. Heck, I doubt that there is a single person who likes Smash that genuinely thinks that it can't do wrong. Smash isn't perfect. And that's the one thing I can wholeheartedly agree with you on.
‘s made me wish had one as well, when Arsene is active.
had an orchestral remix of his games’ victory theme, who I wish got a snippet of BOTW’s main theme got a remixes victory theme closer to how the victory theme is in the games. Likewise, I wish got a rock-jazz remix of Meta Knight’s Revenge got a remix of Star Wolf’s theme got a remix of the Trainer battle victory theme got ‘s Melee victory theme back had Mania’s victory theme (on a separate note, if Shadow got in as a fighter, he should totally bring his game’s victory theme, too) got SUPER Street Fighter II’s victory theme‘s felt more like a conclusion to the battle and ) are sped up for no reason
