Critique My Wario thread

[RiverDB]

Hi, i'm pretty new to wario and i would like to get some critique:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb9F_v1kRAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkt4XMq-ioo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15v304zMJBw
I'd appreciate any serious critiques

 

[Anaky]

hey I have some videos from a match I played 2 weeks ago and I'd like to upload here to get opinions...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ3UJfkBdrE -1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1SYDyCAuFg -2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTs6b4fSxks -3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=245FUVaIo1w -4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_LDzbeoOAg -5

please keep in mind I wasnt taking these matches seriously and I had only started using Wario for a few days before that... (inb4johns)
but yeah, I'll have some serious videos from the next UK tourney in a few weeks hopefully.

Critique mah Wario pls :D

Liez you wanted the title of the Mac Daddy.

 

[B.Mack]

Liez you wanted the title of the Mac Daddy.

lmfao, count my taunts Andy.

 

[Lord Chair]

Matches are uncritiqueable, get over it.

 

[B.Mack]

Hi, i'm pretty new to wario and i would like to get some critique:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb9F_v1kRAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkt4XMq-ioo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15v304zMJBw
I'd appreciate any serious critiques

first match(BF):
0:25 awesome dtilts.
0:51 NEVER try to pick up the bike when your opponent is right there next to you, that's giving them a free attack.
1:37 I was PRAYING for a ledgehop uair... would probably have killed too.

Match2(DP):
2:55 horrible waste of a fart, but I see what you were trying to do. he died anyways, lol.
3:30 it was only about 35 seconds since your last fart, it takes 57 seconds to half charge a fart(when it's most powerful) and 1:50 for it to go to full waft with the knockback/damage trade-off. learn to time your farts, biker suit has a visual indication of when you have a half-fart ready and you can always calculate if its been a minute on the clock.

Match3(SV):
Catch tires with the grab button or fair if your opponent isnt there, its faster and safer than catching them with nair like you do most of the time.
1:17 a ledgedrop waft would have been good there.
1:30 unless your opponent is in the middle of a very easy move to punish, you should try to land wafts when the opponent is in the air, where they only have one escape option, if you waft a grounded opponent who isnt in the middle of a very laggy move, they will shield or spotdodge.
1:37 again, nice combo using tilts. woulda been nice to follow up with another uair.
2:05 lol, nice dtilt.
3:15 tire trap :D



in general... try to land away from the opponent or on the edge if they are throwing out moves around there... its safer.
also, you keep using fsmash or uair to break the bike, you should use other moves so you dont stale your kill moves and you actually refresh them. if you have room for it, use dtilt, utilt or aerials(except uair) to break the bike.
dsmash is a horribly unsafe move. especially when your opponent is at low%.

 

[RiverDB]

Thanks B.Mack, i indeed have a strange Dsmash habit which i should learn off.
And i didn't actually thought about using the lesser moves to break the bike, should really try that out.

 

[Pwneroni]

Nice matches River! I loved the dtilt dtilt bike combo haha too good! In the second match, that second fart for the kill was probably the coolest thing ever! I usually read airdodges for a waft, but you read his spotdodge and just let it go xD

Some critiques: don't land right next to your opponent unless you are biting or something. It's a habit many people have, and it usually results in you getting smashed. Dsmash is a good move, but very situational. The only time I really use it is to punish when the opponent lands with an airdodge. It's not as strong as Fsmash, but a little easier to hit in that situation. Finally, try not to momentum cancel unnecessarily against pikachu. As you can see, he gets a free thunder if you do.

Also... critique me if you would be so kind everyone

Pwneroni(Wario) vs Thrilla Gorilla(Diddy/DK) MM
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jLbFnaa7fk
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32nRzFX2hk4
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE40vVv8Wjg

Pwneroni(Wario) vs Thrilla Gorilla(Diddy/DK) MM Rematch
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO11S3Zl0EE
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1db3YyiRJI

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

I watched some of your vids pwneroni I saw you jab to dtilt. I was simply blown away.

 

[Dynomite]

thinking about it...

Ide just pause the game and walk away if that ever happens to me.

 

[B.Mack]

Pwneroni, you seem a bit indecisive... you gotta learn to commit to your camp if ur gonna camp, in the matches VS diddy there were countless times when you were hanging back, then you suddenly jumped forward and ate 2 or 3 peanuts. theres no point trying to insta-throw peanuts bcos it just gets cancelled out by the next one. you're better off jumping high and approaching from above or even just running and Powershielding your way through. or better yet, just wheelie in there.
also, you seemed to have some spacing issues particularly vertical spacing with dair... :s
First match had awesome fart kills,
second match first fart was completely wasted and I have no idea why. but then you landed a good full waft.
nice edgeguard at the beginning of match 3...
lol bike-braking doesnt work, it pulls you into the blast zone.

 

[Pwneroni]

Hmm, what do you mean by vertical spacing of dair? i've never heard of that before, mind explaining a bit more? Do you mean I only hit with like the last hit of the move?

 

[B.Mack]

no I mean you do a regular dair into DK's onstage UpB, when you should be fastfallling a fullhop dair into the centre of it, like you would do to poke through a tornado, you kept getting hit by DK's UpB everytime you tried to beat it with dair, bcos you were at the side of it instead of coming through the top.

 

[(S!C)]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yVw-xR3Bpw


its a bit old but, i need help^^

help plz^^ ......

 

[Dynomite]

0:26 coulda been an uptilt

dont rush snake, i would critique more but i have highschool to attend.

 

[B.Mack]

I'll critique when I get home from lectures at uni.

EDIT: I watched the match you posted.... but it was a pretty good match, I couldnt really see any glaring mistakes or whatever... so I took the liberty of watching the other matches from the set... you have some major work to be done in timing and landing your farts... I think you only killed with like 2 of them out of 4 that connected, and you whiffed only 1 or 2. that tallies up to 7 farts actually used, in 4 matches which gives a potential total of 16 - 24 farts.
There were countless times when you let out a fart too early and you either tripped them or just used the little pooter which does f*ck-all.

also, you need to work on your punishment game, some times in those matches MK would whiff a shuttle loop high up, and you'd be on the ground, and MK would be in special fall, free for you to punish and you just didnt do anything. that happened twice in the first MK match alone. other times, particularly VS Snake, you didnt punish his nair landing lag and once you watched him whiff a dair and then got bair'd before you could punish.

in general I would say you have pretty good basics, good DI quite a few times, some good shieldgrabs, but on the whole you need to work on enhancing your game with bait/punish,etc. Sometimes there would be tires on the stage and you would just ignore them instead of picking them up to attack with.
also, bite is not a particularly good move VS MK or any other character with a sword. if you go for a bite and you miss, you're just gonna get dsmashed or fsmashed so theres no point holding it and hoping they fall into it. Wario can only bite MK out of his grab and trade hits with dash attack or nair. everything else beats it.
you might also wanna use usmash less... it only does 13%, doesnt come out very fast, doesnt kill reliably, has pretty horrible range and is ridiculously easy for opponents to SDI out of it. Its only really good for DACUS, which makes it decent at best imo.
and dont use UpB in unsafe conditions considering how heavily it can be punished.

 

[Pwneroni]

any advice for this match? I kinda got owned the whole time, made a little comeback in the end but it wasn't quite enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ2xycGzTtQ

 

[Lord Chair]

@Pwneroni

Don't alway go for platform drop uair. 'S like, Firefly could just randomly do utilts and usmashes while he was under the platform because he'd be sure you'd drop into it.

Learn to deal with eggs, PS them.

After having seen the whole match though, really: learn not to platform drop uair ALL THE TIME. Mix it up, I think that more than half of the damage you took during your first 2 stocks was because of that.

 

[Pwneroni]

Ah I see, thank you. It's good to have an outside opinion, I didn't notice that till now. Lots of bad habits involving Uairs >_> gotta fix those lol

 

[SAX]

Hey, Just wanting to get comfortable with the wario boards I thought I'd put out a couple vids of me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrJ1Mu7YAc8&feature=related
Me vs <3 one of florida's best shieks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KONixCqzngE
Me Vs <3
Any advice on this one? Things I can imrove on?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOxeQY6JzSY
Me Vs Kuro

Just wondering if you guys could point out what I'm doing wrong and right. Thanks!

 

[B.Mack]

in the match VS Sheik you did a lot of good stuff with the tires and all, nice glidetossing at some points, but you dont seem to be very consistent with it... in the Zelda match for example, you just got *****... but I watched it like 3 times and I cant really point out anything other than stop running into smashes and get more consistent with your tire follow-ups... you had times when you hit with a tire and you were right there but you'd fsmash in the wrong direction for some reason... stuff like that...

in the last match(vs Kuro's Marth) you did pretty good, nice edgeguards although I wished you did a ledgehop > bite as that puts Marth underneath the stage when he breaks out and is pretty much a guaranteed KO if you edgehog well, especially on Lylat, lol. nice jab cancel shenanigans, I was impressed. just keep practising.

 

[Pwneroni]

Not bad Bebop! You seem pretty legit, good job pwning kuro haha. I noticed a distinct lack of Nair in your game, imo it's one of Wario's best moves in his arsenal. It is a good gimping tool, really quick (4 frames), has a lasting hitbox, does decent damage and can combo into other moves like throws, Fsmash and dtilt.

I would say, if you're going the path of "Bad Mechanic" Wario, make sure to practice using tires and stuff like that. Learn to ADC (Air Dodge Cancel) Toss, that can help with items in general. You did a decent job with the tires, just make sure you're better than your opponent with them xD nothing more lame than getting owned by your own tires. I don't think that happened to you but you should take preventative measures.

 

[SAX]

Thanks for the advice guys! Appreciate it. Yeah I do need more practice with the tires. Would the best way to practice them be like in training mode, or with my friends?

here is another video of me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOmlEa38-lQ

I have a really hard time approaching him most of the time... Any tips for approach options against pit?

 

[Asa]

just walk at him and perfect shield arrows

it wasn't a good idea to leave your bike sitting around for most of the match. just atk it and get it broken up so you can use the tires

you don't have many times to actually throw the bike cuz of the arrows


good match though lol at the sd

 

[B.Mack]

I'm fairly sure you can ride the bike through his arrows if you wheelie?

 

[Pwneroni]

WOW! That match was sooo tight haha. I love the pokes in the first 20 seconds, and the tire kills at the end. Again, I would say try to use Nair more. You can Nair right as you jump and DI away for a safe poke, and if it hits you can follow with the 2nd hit into a grab for a good chunk of damage. I also noticed you didn't grab a lot. Wario's grab range is pretty beastly, and his fthrow does up to 13% damage. That's almost as good as D3, seriously. Full hop dairs are also a safe approach option, just do the dair at the top of your jump and your head will grind into their shield. You can Nair right before you land to discourage any punishment, and even combo further from there.

To practice with tires, the best place to go is Shadow Moses Island. Tires last pretty much forever there, since they have to be still to disappear. It's a lot of fun to practice insta throwing them against the wall, seeing how long you can keep up a quick pace haha. Practicing with friends is fun too, since you have enough bikes and tires to feed an army.

 

[Razmakazi]

lol that was a cool ending xD

And even if you don't powershield arrows you can just avoid most of his stuff by being in the air. I just think you needed more patience coz he was just being gay so I'd just be gay right back or approach really slowly and not with a full hop double jump right into him from across the stage. And also, when you finally got close a lot of the time you would go for kills and he'd just shield. I remember for a lot of the first stock you'd go hunt for fsmash but he was only at like 86 percent so he probably would've lived even if he got hit. I didn't see any bite use in that match and idk if you tried to grab him at all but it probably would made a huge difference coz he just kinda ran and camped shield.

Nice match, i liked it haha

 

[Kuro~]

lol @ tons of insults on me

 

[Kuro~]

I'm fairly sure you can ride the bike through his arrows if you wheelie?

yea nick this works jeff use to do it to me with his wario

lol that was a cool ending xD

indeed it was i fked up twice bigtime but he did capitalize on da last stock

And even if you don't powershield arrows you can just avoid most of his stuff by being in the air. I just think you needed more patience coz he was just being gay so I'd just be gay right back or approach really slowly and not with a full hop double jump right into him from across the stage. And also, when you finally got close a lot of the time you would go for kills and he'd just shield. I remember for a lot of the first stock you'd go hunt for fsmash but he was only at like 86 percent so he probably would've lived even if he got hit. I didn't see any bite use in that match and idk if you tried to grab him at all but it probably would made a huge difference coz he just kinda ran and camped shield.

Nice match, i liked it haha

once he was a stock down he had to approach XD and lol to beat a broken character you have to be gay ;D and i didnt camp sheild...i used arrows to force approaches and read the approaches accordingly kinda like snake with grenades

lol @ tons of insults on me

My first name search xD

 

[Razmakazi]

didn't say anything was wrong with runnin' or shielding a lot. if he attacks you, you shield it. and ofc he has to approach when he's losing but i'm just saying he could've approached more patiently.

 

[SAX]

Thanks again for all the feedback guys, I really appreciate it. And pwneroni, I'll try to impliment more Nair In my game. Just like Oos when I'm close? What other situations could I use it for?

Yeah I watched the game again, and Asa has a point. I really should only get the bike/tires out when pit is hit away or off stage. I got hit with soooo many arrows cause of that.

And raz, Im just naturally a very agressive player haha, I just need to think more when I play...

 

[Pwneroni]

Yeah for sure Bebop, it's one of the best options out of shield imo. If you watch my videos, you can see how I use it a fair amount. One of my favorite moves Great for pokes, combos, gimping, you name it! Haha.

 

[Razmakazi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sRnFgbq-E4

my week old wario in a single serious friendly coz i wanted sumtin posted haha.

i got a few vids of my day old wario uploaded by a friend. he just needs to label them and make it public so i'll post l8r.

edit: here are the week-old vids!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYop4zqb-Do Raz vs Anuar MK 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5spZ9BzZMbA Raz vs Anuar MK 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3TVVq2OSro Raz vs Anuar Olimar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RazYEuHbMU4 Raz vs Agent Paper GW

help~ tips~

n stuff~

 

[B.Mack]

erm... I have a weird request. seeing as I dont have any more recent videos of my Wario, pls could I aske everyone to critique this match? Its another Wario and I got this from the video thread, but he honestly plays EXACTLY like me especially in this match:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DojTUIjWPuw

the only difference is that I would have harrased the ROB players a tiny bit more at the ledge. But this is exactly how I've been playing Wario now, lol.

 

[Pwneroni]

@Raz: I notice you are pretty smart when it comes to landing Smartfarts. Good job! That is something many players have to work up to, so it's great that you're starting out ahead. However, when it comes to the Fully Charged Waft, I can only remember you landing one or two out of all the vids I watched. Keep in mind that although it is worse than killing, it can be used effectively in different ways. It does a ton of damage, has a KO hit when Wario skyrockets upwards, and also has super armor frames on the startup. Talk about ****.

Another thing is you use of Fsmash to punish. Especially against MK, Fsmash is not very good at punishing. While is has a really fast startup for a smash attack (8 frames), sadly it's not fast enough to punish a lot of things. Grab instead (4 frames), twice the speed and you get a good chunk of damage in with Fthrow. Speaking of grabs, you need to grab a lot more! Wario's grab range is really quite good, deceptively so. It's quick too, so always use that to punish unless you see an opportunity to use a stronger hit. Grab more, Fsmash less (until you get to the advanced stage against MK: Using Fsmash super armor frames to kill him through his attacks xD).

Also I noticed you didn't use a lot of Wario's Nair. Poking and prodding with Nair and Fair are safe ways of racking up bits of damage, and Nair can also lead into cool little combos (much like the one in your G&W match). The second hit of Nair is what makes these combos possible, being weak enough not to send them flying away, but strong enough to where it gives them enough stun for a follow up.

Keep it up Raz

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

erm... I have a weird request. seeing as I dont have any more recent videos of my Wario, pls could I aske everyone to critique this match? Its another Wario and I got this from the video thread, but he honestly plays EXACTLY like me especially in this match:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DojTUIjWPuw

the only difference is that I would have harrased the ROB players a tiny bit more at the ledge. But this is exactly how I've been playing Wario now, lol.

...... LoL man that's a terrible request you got there buddy.

 

[Pwneroni]

Whoa Baron you play exactly like that? ****!! Dude one thing though, if you applied any more pressure then you would get owned on the ledge. ROB is very comfortable on the ledge. He can shoot lasers, poke with Fair and Nair, put a gyro on the stage for zoning, and his get up attacks are way good. The best thing to do when edgeguarding ROB imo is to stay in your shield, grab if he gets too aggressive and mainly don't take any extra damage yourself.

And in God's name DON'T try to jump out and hit him while he is on the ledge. There is an approximately 70% chance that you will get gimped and ***** if the ROB is competent. Not good odds in my book.

 

[B.Mack]

...... LoL man that's a terrible request you got there buddy.

thats... real helpful.

Whoa Baron you play exactly like that? ****!! Dude one thing though, if you applied any more pressure then you would get owned on the ledge. ROB is very comfortable on the ledge. He can shoot lasers, poke with Fair and Nair, put a gyro on the stage for zoning, and his get up attacks are way good. The best thing to do when edgeguarding ROB imo is to stay in your shield, grab if he gets too aggressive and mainly don't take any extra damage yourself.

And in God's name DON'T try to jump out and hit him while he is on the ledge. There is an approximately 70% chance that you will get gimped and ***** if the ROB is competent. Not good odds in my book.

hmm... that makes sense actually... but I'm really confident offstage, even against MK's and I dont think I've ever been gimped by an MK(or any other character) as a result of chasing offstage... although I understand that ROB is very comfortable at the ledge and he's one of the most effective plankers in the game, there were some points where the ROB was just soo vulnerable for a ledgedrop fart or f-air stagespike and I'd have gone for it... but we dont know how that woulda turned out lol.

Anyways yeah I play Wario much campier nowadays... and its still fun. I love jumping from platform to platform on BF while my opponent tries to catch me

 

[SAX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sRnFgbq-E4

my week old wario in a single serious friendly coz i wanted sumtin posted haha.

i got a few vids of my day old wario uploaded by a friend. he just needs to label them and make it public so i'll post l8r.

edit: here are the week-old vids!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYop4zqb-Do Raz vs Anuar MK 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5spZ9BzZMbA Raz vs Anuar MK 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3TVVq2OSro Raz vs Anuar Olimar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RazYEuHbMU4 Raz vs Agent Paper GW

help~ tips~

n stuff~

One thing I can say for sure: DI with Fair, when sent flying in any direction. Try to avoid DIing with Uair and Dair. Fair is much better =]

 

[Gichan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n82c-BDc9Oo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AruU4TDrzs&feature=related

So yeah....I suck but why not ask. Remember I only play this once a month so you'll see a lot of bad habits and such. Regardless, I know that Oli's **** with usmash so I was afraid for most of the match and that is why I seem so hesitant unfortunately. Anyways any critique would be awesome.

 

[Razmakazi]

ty~

+ grabs
+ nair
+ fair momentum cancel
+ getting better at punishing in general

- fsmashes
- dair/uair momentum cancels

got it! ;O