Congratulations, Min Min! ARMS character(s) for Smash discussion

[GolisoPower]

Oh don't take this all so seriously. I come here because speculation is fun. People get so bent out of shape over this stuff. It's a video game for pete's sake! If you want to speculate do it for fun. I love a good mystery.

I feel you, man. We can throw insults and generate salt and spew toxic fumes all we want, but at the end of the day, it's just a video game.

And when you put it like that, I think speculation is fun. It sparks creativity based on what you know and all that. It feels like a game where everybody's the winner here, as cheesy as that sounds.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

After Ultimate's roster is all wrapped up, I'm not too sure if I will be around for Smash 6 speculation in the coming years ahead as the waiting game and certain debates can be a burden. Though, I'll wait and see how Smash 6 will look like before I decide to leave or stay.

I generally leave until the next game happens (likely somewhere during the next console cycle after the Switch leaves). Best to wait until the start of the base roster is established, at least.

Oh don't take this all so seriously. I come here because speculation is fun. People get so bent out of shape over this stuff. It's a video game for pete's sake! If you want to speculate do it for fun. I love a good mystery.

Good attitude to have, sir. It's the lack of game news that's wearing me out right now, but at least we won't have too long for June's news.

I can't deny that fans do need to move on to talking about the next character once FP6 is finally behind us.

I feel you, man. We can throw insults and generate salt and spew toxic fumes all we want, but at the end of the day, it's just a video game.

And when you put it like that, I think speculation is fun. It sparks creativity based on what you know and all that. It feels like a game where everybody's the winner here, as cheesy as that sounds.

Yeah, some just can't seem to understand that.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Witch Time was disliked because it wasn't balanced properly. In Ultimate, it's much riskier to use and harder to get the advantage of, meaning you don't see people hating on that move aside from being kinda useless now

Also, this is like saying "Limit Break was highly disliked in Smash 4, I don't think Sakurai will repeat the same gimmick but even stronger in Joker's kit".

Fair enough, that's actually a reason I didnt much like Joker.

 

[fogbadge]

No. I was just confused as to why they were saying that on the ARMS thread.

well theyd started off by talking about how arms must have been promotional and then went of the a comparison with bandana, so it was relevant at first.

 

[Staarih]

If the devs want a fighter who symbolizes ARMS and even possibly uses some of the ARMS and abilities of other fighters they'll pick Spring Man or Ribbon Girl.

I feel like this is the key question which will dictate the choice of fighter (to me at least): whether they want to portray the concept of ARMS or whether they want to portray an individual character. I guess the latter could combine the both, sure, but if they go concept-first, any ARMS character could fit the bill (or a composite character). Honestly though, I feel like my pick for the ARMS character changes every day so June can't come soon enough.

He's spot on. I've mentioned the decline in sales before as well. It's easy to get people in on a DLC when they are excited for the game. Now, over a year later a lot of people won't buy the next one. Some people, like Mariomaniac45213 aren't playing Smash as much so they won't be encouraged to buy the DLC. Maybe they were disappointed with the DLC. What have you. It's one reason I think we could see more Nintendo characters as Nintendo would keep most of the money and wouldn't have to pay for licensed characters and music (which may be the real cost actually).

Yeah, wasn't it mentioned that the second Fighters Pass is happening because of unexpectedly good sales of the first pass? Or something along those lines. They've probably garnered the majority of the money from the first pass anyway (and from the very beginning of that), so I feel like this second pass is to sort of just get that extra coin and maybe add characters that had to be skipped before. The pass is still going to sell, of course, and will probably have "heavy-hitter" characters of some sort too, but the first pass was were it was at, especially now as time has moved on.

So in June do you guys expect for us to just see the Arms rep or the Arms rep and the next fighter? Personally, I think we still could see #77 in June.

It depends on how Nintendo will go about with their announcements now (and with a Direct apparently not happening in June?). I don't think the ARMS character and #77 will happen in the same video/announcement/stream/whatever, as that would take away from each other - heck, we still don't even know who the ARMS character is so that in itself would still be a reveal. I guess they both could happen in June, but I'm personally just expecting the ARMS character with the next character revealed in whatever Direct-esque thing they may have later in the summer.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

>would take away from each other
Considering how they had absolutely no problem showing off TWO characters on the same day in E3 2019, and there was one less character to work with for the first pass, I don't think cannibalizing one character's attention for the other is much of a concern for them. In this hypothetical case, only one of them would be released sooner before the other, which would simply get a trailer, depending on whether Sak decides to change up the usual showcase formula or not. Besides, the ARMS series reveal will have gotten more than enough fan buzz for over two months and that'll end as soon as we know who the fighter is.

Reminder that there's been barely any Nintendo news so far this year beyond what we've heard in the first quarter, with the final known release (XB1 Definitive Edition) coming out at the end of the month, and the Famicom Detective Club remake is still TBA. They can afford a little more promotion for Smash DLC in these circumstances, if they'll only show off further general Nintendo news at the end of Summer Game Fest.

Just hope that the ARMS June release won't get a delay...

 

[pupNapoleon]

Yeah, wasn't it mentioned that the second Fighters Pass is happening because of unexpectedly good sales of the first pass? Or something along those lines. They've probably garnered the majority of the money from the first pass anyway (and from the very beginning of that), so I feel like this second pass is to sort of just get that extra coin and maybe add characters that had to be skipped before. The pass is still going to sell, of course, and will probably have "heavy-hitter" characters of some sort too, but the first pass was were it was at, especially now as time has moved on.

Yes... there is a business law of diminishing returns that shows this pass is likely to sell less.
Also, worldwide recession is inherently going to impact it.

However, Smash DLC is far beyond just a direct monetary value. It establishes IPs for years to come (think how much putting Roy and Marth in Melee made for them down the line), it fosters business relationships, and it keeps Nintendo in the forefront of public discussion, while reminding everyone they are the king of IPs.

There are many ways this could go. The argument could be made that under the law of diminishing returns, that this pass would feature MORE hard hitting characters.

Either way, I don't think the first pass was 'where it was at.' I think they will both be quite exciting. I think the first had a lot of perceived issues (and for me, three of five being from RPGs wasn't a great feeling in a platform fighting game which could use a lot more of the latter).

 

[meleebrawler]

Yes... there is a business law of diminishing returns that shows this pass is likely to sell less.
Also, worldwide recession is inherently going to impact it.

However, Smash DLC is far beyond just a direct monetary value. It establishes IPs for years to come (think how much putting Roy and Marth in Melee made for them down the line), it fosters business relationships, and it keeps Nintendo in the forefront of public discussion, while reminding everyone they are the king of IPs.

There are many ways this could go. The argument could be made that under the law of diminishing returns, that this pass would feature MORE hard hitting characters.

Either way, I don't think the first pass was 'where it was at.' I think they will both be quite exciting. I think the first had a lot of perceived issues (and for me, three of five being from RPGs wasn't a great feeling in a platform fighting game which could use a lot more of the latter).

I am pretty sure that when people think of characters they want, the genre of game they happen to come from is never the first thing to come to mind. Mostly it's just a (in)convenient excuse when arguing.

This being a Nintendo-focused game guarantees half the cast will come from platformers or at least games that some elements of those.

 

[DonkaFjord]

I am pretty sure that when people think of characters they want, the genre of game they happen to come from is never the first thing to come to mind. Mostly it's just a (in)convenient excuse when arguing.

This being a Nintendo-focused game guarantees half the cast will come from platformers or at least games that some elements of those.

I think people do look at genre if they are fans of a certain genre. Someone who likes primarily puzzle games for instance might wonder if we'd get a puyo puyo character for example while being uninterested in any FPS characters, etc.
Just has to do with personal tastes and I do think that the dev team probably tried to do a diverse spread of genres if its an option so that it appeals to a diverse fanbase. But sometimes it can't be helped because a lot of popular characters come from similar genres such as a lot of the first Smash being platformer heavy because that was what was popular and that's where most of its mascots come from.

 

[fogbadge]

This being a Nintendo-focused game guarantees half the cast will come from platformers or at least games that some elements of those.

nintendo has array of genres under its belt, i dont think thats ever been the case

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

If you think about it, the ARMS fighter would be the first time that a pure fighting game-type character from Nintendo's stable got added (barring the Smash-original Mii Fighters), other characters with a fighter origin are from third-parties. That is a milestone in itself.

Also, I can't help but wonder if Sakurai has a particular favorite out of everyone in the ARMS cast. Before this point, he only was in a position to talk about favorite series, and hardly ever specific characters from them. The situation that ARMS is placed in could change everything.

nintendo has array of genres under its belt, i dont think thats ever been the case

Yeah, even the Game & Watch library of games rarely played like each other.

 

[GolisoPower]

Also, I can't help but wonder if Sakurai has a particular favorite out of everyone in the ARMS cast. Before this point, he only was in a position to talk about favorite series, and hardly ever specific characters from them. The situation that ARMS is placed in could change everything.

Hey, that's a very interesting thing to think about. I'll try to dig into some Sakurai interviews and see if I can find his thoughts on ARMS.

EDIT: Huh. All I could find was the ARMS release timing being too off for a playable character in Smash for the base game. Nothing about a favorite character in the game.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

If you think about it, the ARMS fighter would be the first time that a pure fighting game-type character from Nintendo's stable got added (barring the Smash-original Mii Fighters), other characters with a fighter origin are from third-parties. That is a milestone in itself.

What's Punch-Out to you then?

 

[Mariomaniac45213]

What's Punch-Out to you then?

Punch-Out isnt a fighting game unless you count that lackluster after-thought multiplayer mode they threw into the Wii version. Punch-Out is an arcade puzzle boxer series.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

What's Punch-Out to you then?

A puzzle-based boxing game. Even Yie-Ar Kung Fu fits the definition of a fighting game more.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

To settle things, Punch-Out is a fighting game in the literal sense (game purely dedicated to one on one fights with a system that requires some mastery) but not in the colloquial sense (it's a single player boss rush puzzle/combat type thing)

ARMS has the same perspective and similar simple controls to Punch-Out but it qualifies as a fighting game in almost all senses. (The one it doesn't is the one that precludes all games that aren't based off Street Fighter 2 or Tekken)

 

[kirbsmash]

How bored are we to the point we could easily change topics from 'who's it?' to 'Type of games being in fighters pass 1' in the first 2nd fighter pass character's discussion? This points that we don't really have nothing to say about the arms character anymore XD
Me? I'm curious about this; what bosses do you wants from ARMS?

 

[Guybrush20X6]

How bored are we to the point we could easily change topics from 'who's it?' to 'Type of games being in fighters pass 1' in the first 2nd fighter pass character's discussion? This points that we don't really have nothing to say about the arms character anymore XD
Me? I'm curious about this; what bosses do you wants from ARMS?

Well Headlock is the obvious choice but the question is paired up with who? Max Brass like the lower difficulties, Dr Coyle as on the harder difficulties or do a Giga Bowser thing where the playable character has HL as their final smash and the boss is a souped up version of the normal character?

 

[GolisoPower]

You know, I can't help but wonder: how much of a say do the original IP owners of the characters have in who gets in and how they are executed?

I mean, I can't help but think back to when Sakurai was talking about getting the Dragon Quest Heroes, and that got me wondering if Yabuki has a say in who gets in and how they're executed.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

You know, I can't help but wonder: how much of a say do the original IP owners of the characters have in who gets in and how they are executed?

I mean, I can't help but think back to when Sakurai was talking about getting the Dragon Quest Heroes, and that got me wondering if Yabuki has a say in who gets in and how they're executed.

Well we know that the IP holders have the power of Veto but Sakurai has at least more power then the poor souls working on PSASBR.

Example: Pikachu (and the other cute Pokemon), Sonic and Pac-Man are all barred from being straight up re-colored by executive mandate but Sakurai said that if Namco had barred him from using Classic Pac-Man in favor of the then modern design, he'd have dropped him.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

https://twitter.com/PushDustIn/status/1259314053253525504

It seems that there may yet be hope for DLC fighter amiibo beyond the .

Well we know that the IP holders have the power of Veto but Sakurai has at least more power then the poor souls working on PSASBR.

Example: Pikachu (and the other cute Pokemon), Sonic and Pac-Man are all barred from being straight up re-colored by executive mandate but Sakurai said that if Namco had barred him from using Classic Pac-Man in favor of the then modern design, he'd have dropped him.

As far as first and second parties go, I think it's a case-by-case basis. Ranges from being totally cool with it, to being a tad restrictive to a degree (e.g. The Pokémon Company), to not being able to provide much of anything that's not a stage or character unless the creator is 100% involved and freed up (i.e. Rhythm Heaven). Granted, sometimes there are IPs that don't remotely have too much to work with, so one has to determine which are Smash-friendly.

In general, first parties usually aren't difficult to work with for Sak at all, so I don't really think there are much obstacles here for ARMS beyond music variety.

How bored are we to the point we could easily change topics from 'who's it?' to 'Type of games being in fighters pass 1' in the first 2nd fighter pass character's discussion? This points that we don't really have nothing to say about the arms character anymore XD
Me? I'm curious about this; what bosses do you wants from ARMS?

It happens to any thread when a long enough period without substantial news occurs. I mean, the Shantae thread's no-spoilers policy for Seven Sirens led to talking about irrelevant fan poll tournaments.

In all seriousness, most fans are completely exhausted from the last few months of waiting, so some news in June would be a nice reprieve.

 

[Guynamednelson]

and the other cute Pokemon

Squirtle is apparently not cute.

 

[Dukefire]

This is a repeat, but we are getting close to June. 3 weeks away to hoping for details of the selected ARMS fighter rep and potential challenger 7.

Spoiler: Entire ARMS cast in ARMS 1 before a sequel(?)

 

[chocolatejr9]

This is a repeat, but we are getting close to June. 3 weeks away to hoping for details of the selected ARMS fighter rep and potential challenger 7.

Spoiler: Entire ARMS cast in ARMS 1 before a sequel(?)

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Aw, look at the little Cell guy. If we ever get ARMS 2, he should be playable.

 

[fogbadge]

You know, I can't help but wonder: how much of a say do the original IP owners of the characters have in who gets in and how they are executed?

I mean, I can't help but think back to when Sakurai was talking about getting the Dragon Quest Heroes, and that got me wondering if Yabuki has a say in who gets in and how they're executed.

well every character probably has different rules that they have to adhere to, but the developer may make exceptions for smash. in terms of nintendo characters sakurai seems to have a fair amount of freedom as his attitude towards certain characters doesnt always seem to match the rest of nintendo. and he may base a character of his perception of the character rather than how the character is

 

[GolisoPower]

I'm mainly asking because I know it is possible for a character to join out of director's request (Like Kojima with Snake), and because Yabuki's personal favorite is Min Min, I don't wanna factor out the possibility that Yabuki made a request for Sakurai to add that character to Smash or something. Yes, Nintendo picked the line-up, but Yabuki, like Sakurai, is under Nintendo's employ, so there's also the possibility that he may have had some influence in Nintendo's choices as well.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I'm mainly asking because I know it is possible for a character to join out of director's request (Like Kojima with Snake), and because Yabuki's personal favorite is Min Min, I don't wanna factor out the possibility that Yabuki made a request for Sakurai to add that character to Smash or something. Yes, Nintendo picked the line-up, but Yabuki, like Sakurai, is under Nintendo's employ, so there's also the possibility that he may have had some influence in Nintendo's choices as well.

I think Yabuki would be okay with whoever's picked in the end, since the ARMS fighters are all his babies. This reminds me of the Overwatch director saying something to that effect: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/6790...s-tracer-super-smash-bros-ultimate/index.html

As far as we know, Sak specifically said that Nintendo chose the DLC: https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr4sfq

We just don't know what's going to happen or whether anybody influenced anyone else's hand, so I don't think it's really much of a concern.

 

[Dukefire]

We can only hope for what's coming. As what Sakurai said in Byleth's direct, he's looking for something to change it up with new mechanics other fighters doesn't have regarding status.

Spoiler: Sakurai Quote

 

[fogbadge]

We can only hope for what's coming. As what Sakurai said in Byleth's direct, he's looking for something to change it up with new mechanics other fighters doesn't have regarding status.

Spoiler: Sakurai Quote

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yeah but how often has he stuck to what hes said in the past

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

yeah but how often has he stuck to what hes said in the past

In fairness, we can't really expect mechanics on the level of Joker or Hero every time. Some DLC characters can offer at least one aspect of their moveset (a trait, a few moves or even a single special move) that's changing things up slightly, whether it's in comparison to some of the roster, or the series that they're a part of.

In the case of the ARMS fighter, we could just simply get "reach real good" and little else, at the bare minimum.

 

[fogbadge]

In fairness, we can't really expect mechanics on the level of Joker or Hero every time. Some DLC characters can offer at least one aspect of their moveset (a trait, a few moves or even a single special move) that's changing things up slightly, whether it's in comparison to some of the roster, or the series that they're a part of.

In the case of the ARMS fighter, we could just simply get "reach real good" and little else, at the bare minimum.

and thats not necessarily a bad thing

 

[Trevenant]

This is a repeat, but we are getting close to June. 3 weeks away to hoping for details of the selected ARMS fighter rep and potential challenger 7.

Spoiler: Entire ARMS cast in ARMS 1 before a sequel(?)

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What's that thing above Max Brass? Is it some type of arm? Ngl I originally thought it was an audience member for whatever reason.

 

[Perkilator]

What's that thing above Max Brass? Is it some type of arm? Ngl I originally thought it was an audience member for whatever reason.

That’s the spirit mask that accompanies Misango in every battle.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

There is a part of me that wants Min Min more than Spring Man breaking all the deconfirmed fan rules. But at the same time, I want Spring Man just for these reasons alone.

 

[Nap_]

Fan rules are already broken no matter the character will be. Springman: spirits-assists deconfirm / Anyone else: main character first and maybe spirits deconfirm. Jackpot, I love this.
Even the 'reveal' is throwing us something never seen before: "This series next" - What?!
Oh, and hello again. I'd been some time without login in but still reading some threads, so let me show my cards about the ARMS topic:
Want: Min Min. Prediction: I don't know, the 'reveal' bugs me. The brain says Spring , the heart Min, the 'guess who' says, you'll be confused till the reveal.
There're good points in any direction, my favs (without joking) are 'Min Min default ARMS are weird for a basic ARMS fighter", "Why not Springo if he's the obvious choice' and Sakurai saying that the ARMS character was a 'special request from the devs '. What is special? Min Min before the poster boy? The AT status of Springman? Something even darker? We know what it's coming but not the final shape, it's pretty fun, the give us bone for two months.
Anyway, looks like Springman and the ramen bomber are the top contenders but I feel that Ribbon Girl chances are a bit underrated, she's just in the middle.
Thanks for reading.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Fan rules are already broken no matter the character will be. Springman: spirits-assists deconfirm / Anyone else: main character first and maybe spirits deconfirm. Jackpot, I love this.
Even the 'reveal' is throwing us something never seen before: "This series next" - What?!
Oh, and hello again. I'd been some time without login in but still reading some threads, so let me show my cards about the ARMS topic:
Want: Min Min. Prediction: I don't know, the 'reveal' bugs me. The brain says Spring , the heart Min, the 'guess who' says, you'll be confused till the reveal.
There're good points in any direction, my favs (without joking) are 'Min Min default ARMS are weird for a basic ARMS fighter", "Why not Springo if he's the obvious choice' and Sakurai saying that the ARMS character was a 'special request from the devs '. What is special? Min Min before the poster boy? The AT status of Springman? Something even darker? We know what it's coming but not the final shape, it's pretty fun, the give us bone for two months.
Anyway, looks like Springman and the ramen bomber are the top contenders but I feel that Ribbon Girl chances are a bit underrated, she's just in the middle.
Thanks for reading.

God I haven't seen you in ages welcome back man. I remember seeing you on the K. Rool and Banjo & Kazooie threads way back. Probably remember you because you have had the same avatar for so long.

 

[Nap_]

God I haven't seen you in ages welcome back man. I remember seeing you on the K. Rool and Banjo & Kazooie threads way back. Probably remember you because you have had the same avatar for so long.

Yes, I was around, glad you remember me. I used to post mostly in speculation but since it seems a bit dead... Well, you know. Thanks for your message.

I don't know if you remember me, but I was the one with the Goemon gang avatar during pre-E3 2019 and onwards.

Yeah, I can remember a Goemon gang avatar, I couldn't recall your nick, sorry, but the profile pic rings the bell. Nice to see you again, hope you see this edit.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Yes, I was around, glad you remember me. I used to post mostly in speculation but since it seems a bit dead... Well, you know. Thanks for your message.

I don't know if you remember me, but I was the one with the Goemon gang avatar during pre-E3 2019 and onwards.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Fan rules are already broken no matter the character will be. Springman: spirits-assists deconfirm / Anyone else: main character first and maybe spirits deconfirm. Jackpot, I love this.
Even the 'reveal' is throwing us something never seen before: "This series next" - What?!
Oh, and hello again. I'd been some time without login in but still reading some threads, so let me show my cards about the ARMS topic:
Want: Min Min. Prediction: I don't know, the 'reveal' bugs me. The brain says Spring , the heart Min, the 'guess who' says, you'll be confused till the reveal.
There're good points in any direction, my favs (without joking) are 'Min Min default ARMS are weird for a basic ARMS fighter", "Why not Springo if he's the obvious choice' and Sakurai saying that the ARMS character was a 'special request from the devs '. What is special? Min Min before the poster boy? The AT status of Springman? Something even darker? We know what it's coming but not the final shape, it's pretty fun, the give us bone for two months.
Anyway, looks like Springman and the ramen bomber are the top contenders but I feel that Ribbon Girl chances are a bit underrated, she's just in the middle.
Thanks for reading.

The special request thing is especially interesting to me, as if it's not anyone that's already shown in the base game, then there are very few ARMS characters that could get picked that can make you say "yup, they're definitely a choice from Japan". Can't help but feel that'll be the case given the unexpected track record of this DLC run.

 

[dimensionsword64]

Quick question: will the Arms fighter clap after losses? Characters that use gloves as their default ARMS probably can, as Little Mac claps with his gloves, but characters with big ARMS like the Megaton or the Lokjaw, or weirdly shaped ARMS like the Dragon or the Chakram probably can't.