Congratulations, Min Min! ARMS character(s) for Smash discussion

[chocolatejr9]

Okay, so anyone with a name gets taken down, of course. I guess the only reason LeakyPandy even got away with his Byleth guess at all was because he's far from being a prominent leaker (let alone a legitimate one).

I guess we'll find out in a week if this is legitimate or faker than baloney.

Those ninjas, man. They getcha REAL good...

 

[Arthur97]

Why is there any debate as to if its real? The font alone should be enough, should it not? At this point, I don't know why they were every use a different font during development.

 

[Guynamednelson]

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— Liquid | Riddles (@RiddlesMK) June 5, 2020

...Maybe the animations won't be 1:1 with those of the AT.

 

[GolisoPower]

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— Liquid | Riddles (@RiddlesMK) June 5, 2020

...Maybe the animations won't be 1:1 with those of the AT.

I mean, tbf, the Spring Man AT is an absolute unit, and whoever the ARMS character ends up being will probably be smaller than that.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Why is there any debate as to if its real? The font alone should be enough, should it not? At this point, I don't know why they were every use a different font during development.

It's actually the same font.

The difference with that fake leak is that in that one, the characters aren't bolded

Still enough to brand it as fake though.

 

[Koopaul]

The ATs don't have as polished animations and their frame data is not designed for a fighter. They might have to just remake Spring Man's animations from scratch or atleast rework them a whole lot. Also the AT model has less polys and worse textures too. So they really can't just take the AT as is.

 

[Perkilator]

The ATs don't have as polished animations and their frame data is not designed for a fighter. They might have to just remake Spring Man's animations from scratch or atleast rework them a whole lot. Also the AT model has less polys and worse textures too. So they really can't just take the AT as is.

SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK, my good sir.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

The ATs don't have as polished animations and their frame data is not designed for a fighter. They might have to just remake Spring Man's animations from scratch or atleast rework them a whole lot. Also the AT model has less polys and worse textures too. So they really can't just take the AT as is.

Basically if they did use the Assist Trophy model for Spring Man they would have to rise the poly count and make major tweks.

 

[Arthur97]

It's actually the same font.

The difference with that fake leak is that in that one, the characters aren't bolded

Still enough to brand it as fake though.

Yeah, whatever it is, the text not matching is something that the dev team is unlikely to do. In fact, it's possible they might have to go out of their way to make it like that.

The ATs don't have as polished animations and their frame data is not designed for a fighter. They might have to just remake Spring Man's animations from scratch or atleast rework them a whole lot. Also the AT model has less polys and worse textures too. So they really can't just take the AT as is.

I mean, Chrom's model doesn't look great. At least to me it seems kind of budget.

I doubt they would just reuse it though for a fighter they actually seem to care about. Though, maybe they would take some of the moves. Or at least use it for ideas. However, another thing to note, is assist trophies are not balanced like fighters. They can have ludicrously strong moves and it doesn't matter.

 

[RebelMaren]

Min Min is just a photoshopped little snacc

 

[Koopaul]

People forget that ATs are designed to be less of a burden on the game while running. Smash can run an 8-Player Ice Climbers match! Imagine having to add Assist Trophies into the mix. So of course they don't have as high of polys and their animations aren't as smooth. If they were the framerate would drop considerably.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Min Min is just a photoshopped little snacc

Actually, Min Min is a photoshop genderbend Simon.

 

[Guynamednelson]

ATs don't have as polished animations

I don't necessarily think they're not as polished from a visual standpoint minus the faces, but from a "being-able-to-work-as-a-fighter's-move" one. Regardless, it doesn't mean Spring Man will require twice as much work as Min Min or whoever.

 

[smashkirby]

People tried to dismiss the ESRB leak for a bunch of reasons like:

- They thought Shulk's render was just a photoshop Little Mac render.

- They thought it was too insane to be real for the fact Duck Hunt was in it despite the fact no one couldn't find the render anywhere online.

- They it was impossible that Dr. Mario would return especially before wanted cut veteran fan favorites like Mewtwo, Roy, and Lucas.

- They thought it was too bizarre that Bowser Jr. was In the clown car instead of using his brush from Sunshine as a lot of people were expecting Jr. with the brush if he ever got in.

I could go on, but a good chunk of people gave it a reason of doubt. I believe it at first sight, but when I saw the gameplay footage of Bowser Jr. and Shulk that was when I knew for sure it was real.

You know what's crazy? Technically, even the Koopalings were ESRB-leaked via the leak of Larry Koopa's trophy, which depicted him driving a Junior Clown Car. Mind you, no Koopaling had ever been depicted as driving one prior to Smash 4. Not to toot my own horn, but I'm pretty sure I was the ONLY one on SmashBoards who seemed to take that detail into account at the time.

At worst, what really stumped me was just HOW he and his siblings were going to be implemented into the game. Final Smash or something? I mean, 'bonus' characters on their level weren't a thing in Smash Bros. yet (barring Wario's different costumes in Brawl), so...

I kid you all not, I think the ONLY playable character (alt. skin or otherwise) who WASN'T leaked at any point up to Smash 4's final release (Well... the 3DS version, at least) was Alph.

 

[fogbadge]

I mean, Chrom's model doesn't look great. At least to me it seems kind of budget.

i dont think sakurai likes chrom

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Alright, smart minds, I'll only humor this supposed leak once to provide food for thought:

Back when Hero was leaked, no one actually knew who the base character was, as almost everyone was convinced it would be Erdrick.

We might get a similar case here. Let that sink in for a while...

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Alright, smart minds, I'll only humor this supposed leak once to provide food for thought:

Back when Hero was leaked, no one actually knew who the base character was, as almost everyone was convinced it would be Erdrick.

We might get a similar case here. Let that sink in for a while...

Which supposed leak? The one that said June 16?

 

[Arthur97]

While a combo deal certainly could work (so long as you aren't a huge purist for their movesets) and could allow them plenty of variety by sharing abilities kind of like the Belmonts, still doesn't fix the text issue. However, given the way they announced the reveal...I wouldn't be too surprised if they're like Who is it going to be? Spring Man!...and Ribbon Girl etc.

i dont think sakurai likes chrom

I mean...he is the first FE fighter since Marth to not be from the most recent game, so he has that going for him, but they may have cut some corners with that model. Outside of that, he's probably got it better than his daughter.

 

[osby]

i dont think sakurai likes chrom

I'll be a happy camper the day when this fandom stops drawing negative conclusions about Sakurai's personality based on how characters are implemented.

 

[kirbsmash]

I'll be a happy camper the day when this fandom stops drawing negative conclusions about Sakurai's personality based on how characters are implemented.

So.....never?

 

[Guynamednelson]

If they did go with Dr. Coyle because she's not an AT, wouldn't the resources Spring Man requires to make an AT-disabling script for him...still be spent? Because if they're not making sure Spring Man can't summon himself, they'd be needing to make sure all of Coyle's gimmicks work right and are balanced.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I'll be a happy camper the day when this fandom stops drawing negative conclusions about Sakurai's personality based on how characters are implemented.

That'll keep happening as long as we don't get much information on his reasoning in interviews.

In any case, I believe that he was just having a bit of fun with him, is all, given that Awakening technically had three lead characters. We're talking the same Smash installment (Smash 4) with more teasing and bait and switches than usual in pre-release promotion compared to the other entries.

Which supposed leak? The one that said June 16?

The Min Min one, that's the first I hear of June 16 specifically.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

That'll keep happening as long as we don't get much information on his reasoning in interviews.

In any case, I believe that he was just having a bit of fun with him, is all, given that Awakening technically had three lead characters. We're talking the same Smash installment with more teasing than usual in pre-release promotion compared to the other entries.



The Min Min one, that's the first I hear of June 16 specifically.

The June 16th one (supposed anniversary of ARMS) rumor said Spring Man with a Koopaling/Hero sitch of alts of other characters

 

[Arthur97]

I mean, depends I guess. One would think disabling Spring Man would not be that hard. They already have similar stuff. MM Moon won't appear on certain stages, Dedede won't appear in Dreamland's background if he's in the fight, etc. So, they have the ability.

 

[Perkilator]

I mean, depends I guess. One would think disabling Spring Man would not be that hard. They already have similar stuff. MM Moon won't appear on certain stages, Dedede won't appear in Dreamland's background if he's in the fight, etc. So, they have the ability.

Difference is-and I can't stress this enough-those are only background appearances. If Spring Man were playable, we'd be have to toggle fir a character who's both playable AND an Assist, the latter of which has a model that wasn't made with a playable character in mind.

 

[osby]

Difference is-and I can't stress this enough-those are only background appearances. If Spring Man were playable, we'd be have to toggle fir a character who's both playable AND an Assist, the latter of which has a model that wasn't made with a playable character in mind.

So they'd have to make a new model from the scratch... like every other newcomer. Also, I don't see how making a new toggle option being that time-consuming from a programming standpoint.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Difference is-and I can't stress this enough-those are only background appearances. If Spring Man were playable, we'd be have to toggle fir a character who's both playable AND an Assist, the latter of which has a model that wasn't made with a playable character in mind.

Which would not be more work than Joker's victory screen, Arsene, Mementos having P3/4 skins for songs from them, and said P3/4 skins and winning using All-Out Attack affecting his victory screen.

I can't stress THAT enough.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Difference is-and I can't stress this enough-those are only background appearances. If Spring Man were playable, we'd be have to toggle fir a character who's both playable AND an Assist, the latter of which has a model that wasn't made with a playable character in mind.

Chrom in Robin's Final Smash and Victory Animation tho.

Also Samus in ZZS' Final Smash.

Also Knuckles disabled on the Green Hill Zone stage.

 

[Trevenant]

SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK, my good sir.

If this is because of the reason why you don't want Spring man to be upgraded then it's already been proven why that wouldn't be the case. Even if they don't use the assist trophy directly, it will definitely help with at least something. And making a model from scratch would also be an outcome as always but with the assist, it also means they could take some cues from that.

Essentially you are reiterating the argument of wasted resources which has been started several times as to why it's null and void. Sakurai makes new models for every character like someone else pointed out so it wouldn't be solely restricted to Springman. Its just him remaking a model to be more in line with that of other playable characters of the character who makes the most sense to represent the series who has the largest amount of representation from the series in the game

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Chrom in Robin's Final Smash and Victory Animation tho.

Also Samus in ZZS' Final Smash.

Also Knuckles disabled on the Green Hill Zone stage.

Don’t forget Mario in Piranha Plant’s Victory Screen.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

The June 16th one (supposed anniversary of ARMS) rumor said Spring Man with a Koopaling/Hero sitch of alts of other characters

I see. Did it also come from 4Chan, or is it an unrelated source?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I see. Did it also come from 4Chan, or is it an unrelated source?

I don’t recall. I do know a gaming journalism site (not Kotaku or Polygon) reported on it

 

[GolisoPower]

I don’t recall. I do know a gaming journalism site (not Kotaku or Polygon) reported on it

The only other one besides the ones you mentioned that come to mind and would seem reliable is EuroGamer.

 

[Perkilator]

Chrom in Robin's Final Smash and Victory Animation tho.

Also Samus in ZZS' Final Smash.

Also Knuckles disabled on the Green Hill Zone stage.

Don’t forget Mario in Piranha Plant’s Victory Screen.

MINOR. APPEARANCES.

I can't wait for the day when Sakurai says "we attempted to make Spring Man playable by way of disabling his Assist Trophy when he's playable during lunch breaks. But unfortunately, we ran into some complications. We didn't want to take any chance of the game crashing because of this, hence why we chose [this character] instead."

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I don’t recall. I do know a gaming journalism site (not Kotaku or Polygon) reported on it

The only other one besides the ones you mentioned that come to mind and would seem reliable is EuroGamer.

In any case, for the alleged June 16th leak, we do have a fairly specific killswitch for it. If it is true, it would be rare and remarkable timing for the reveal.

Any links to the article(s) in question?

 

[Trevenant]

I'm fairly sure that leak came from 4chan was it the one that suggested a sequel to Kencineroar?

MINOR. APPEARANCES.

I can't wait for the day when Sakurai says "we attempted to make Spring Man playable by way of disabling his Assist Trophy when he's playable during lunch breaks. But unfortunately, we ran into some complications. We didn't want to take any chance of the game crashing because of this, hence why we chose [this character] instead."

But honestly why would it? You can't really provide anything to suggest otherwise and I'm starting to think this cannot be an actual reason people are using against Spring man whether it be speculatively or preferably. At least those roles are actual proof that something like that COULD and probably would be done while you are just saying nothing but that it might happen when you are the only person I have seen suggesting this. Unless you don't want assists upgraded but are trying to come up with a better reason other than the classic already represented im not sure what to think

 

[osby]

MINOR. APPEARANCES.

I can't wait for the day when Sakurai says "we attempted to make Spring Man playable by way of disabling his Assist Trophy when he's playable during lunch breaks. But unfortunately, we ran into some complications. We didn't want to take any chance of the game crashing because of this, hence why we chose [this character] instead."

I can't believe Sakurai cut Isabelle because of the slingshot glitch crashing the game.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I'm fairly sure that leak came from 4chan was it the one that suggested a sequel to Kencineroar?

I seem to recall a sequel to kencineroar yes

 

[Dukefire]

Whatever happens, just don't hold your breath of the said ARMS character since we are treading on a unstable field days away for reveal.

 

[Trevenant]

I can't believe Sakurai cut Isabelle because of the slingshot glitch crashing the game.

Duck Hunt and Mii Swordfighter should never have went too.

In all honesty like I said this is the first and only time I have seen this suggested as a possibility. It apparently won't be as easy due to them being more minor roles but it actually suggests it could be but then nothing is provided in favour of the supposed outcome apparently being at all plausible to be the case. To me It honestly just seems like someone trying to find a better excuse as to why assists shouldn't be upgraded or why spring man shouldn't be the character instead of finding one which they are fully aware that wouldn't be taken seriously like representation etc which have been disproven countless times previously