Congratulations, Min Min! ARMS character(s) for Smash discussion

[Arthur97]

Seriously, the ability to toggle by stage is already there. Assist Trophies themselves aren't even always on, and even when they are, every assist is not always available as it is on a stage by stage basis. Simply turning off one on a fighter basis shouldn't be too hard. Yeah, they'd hopefully make a new model, but that's no more work than the others as pointed out (though, I'm not entirely convinced they didn't just use Chrom's FS model for his fighter explaining the lack of quality). They may not even reuse much if anything from the assist given how radically different Dark Samus was as an assist (and likely a better representation). And, yeah, given the ludicrous amount of work they put into Joker, Heroes, and Terry, it shouldn't be out of the ballpark. Granted, maybe they don't care as much because its first party, but the assist shouldn't be the end. We know they can turn off assists, so why not this one?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Whatever happens, just don't hold your breath of the said ARMS character since we are treading on a unstable field days away for reveal.

I don't care what happens specifically, I just want us to move on already. That's fair, isn't it? The journey is much less interesting than the destination when you run out of theories that haven't been discussed. Like being trapped in an endless time loop.

 

[Guynamednelson]

we attempted to make Spring Man playable by way of disabling his Assist Trophy when he's playable during lunch breaks. But unfortunately, we ran into some complications. We didn't want to take any chance of the game crashing because of this, hence why we chose [this character] instead.

A-****ing-gain. Joker's victory screen. Hero's spells. Terry's super inputs and cameos. They're already going the full mile with these DLC fighters.

 

[Trevenant]

Seriously, the ability to toggle by stage is already there. Assist Trophies themselves aren't even always on, and even when they are, every assist is not always available as it is on a stage by stage basis. Simply turning off one on a fighter basis shouldn't be too hard. Yeah, they'd hopefully make a new model, but that's no more work than the others as pointed out (though, I'm not entirely convinced they didn't just use Chrom's FS model for his fighter explaining the lack of quality). They may not even reuse much if anything from the assist given how radically different Dark Samus was as an assist (and likely a better representation). And, yeah, given the ludicrous amount of work they put into Joker, Heroes, and Terry, it shouldn't be out of the ballpark. Granted, maybe they don't care as much because its first party, but the assist shouldn't be the end. We know they can turn off assists, so why not this one?

I think the reason is that it hasn't been done before and the alucard on wii fit type examples are being refuted by 'minor role' yet nothing is provided that even goes in favour that the point I just said invalid let alone anything that suggests it is even remotely complex. Either way I agree with this post pretty much. They can be upgraded and even if not simply, Joker has Arsense who has near a distinct animation for all Jokers attacks, all of which boost it in some way, Hero has 23 specials which is passively twice as many attacks as the standard smash character has and Terry has a bunch of different attacks outside of the designated control scheme with lesser things like Sakurai specifically giving byleth the house leader weapons to make him more unique and Banjo having golden feathers limited by stock only replenished by losing one. Also mementos having all it's changing terrain, Yggdrasils Altar giving you a look at the world despite it not dropping you off anywhere, The spiral mountain and KOF stadiums gimmick with Byleths to a lesser extent with it being a travelling one.

 

[Perkilator]

A-****ing-gain. Joker's victory screen. Hero's spells. Terry's super inputs and cameos. They're already going the full mile with these DLC fighters.

THOSE AREN'T EVEN REMOTELY SIMILAR.

You know what? I'm done arguing with this.
We're already in June, let's see what happens.

 

[Guynamednelson]

lesser things like Sakurai specifically giving byleth the house leader weapons to make him more unique

I was thinking more among the line of the two genders having different animations being the extra mile for Byleth.

THOSE AREN'T EVEN REMOTELY SIMILAR.

It's the extra work that you fear so much being put into DLC fighters.

 

[Trevenant]

THOSE AREN'T EVEN REMOTELY SIMILAR.

You know what? I'm done arguing with this.
We're already in June, let's see what happens.

Either way you are pretty much providing nothing aside from 'we are assuming it's simple but it might not be' and are saying points which hold more water than ones that are being provided by yourself (none) and saying they are not similar and even more ironically enough we don't know how complex it is like everyone knows so it's being taken seriously. I'll leave it at that but it's best not to point something out like that. If you are going to try and prove a point, you have at least got to make some groundwork instead of 'it might happen' which can be applied to everything from Paper Mario all the way to Goku or Mr Bean because otherwise it just makes it look like you are using it as a basic argument for an outcome you'd prefer

 

[Gentlepanda]

all this debating when it's just going to be spring man the second

 

[Arthur97]

Minor role or not, it should be a relatively similar process to block Spring Man's summon as it is Alucard, Knuckles, the Moon, etc. Even the Dedede thing proves they can very much adjust it so that things are different with certain fighters being fielded. Also, conductor Link getting swapped out when a Link is fighting is another one. After that, it's turning him into a fighter which is very likely where the bulk of the work would be anyway. I'm honestly not sure what their logic here is. Turning off the summons shouldn't be that hard if at all. Is it the act of "upgrading?" That shouldn't be any harder than if Spring Man hadn't been an assist. It might actually be easier even if any ARMS fighter is going to probably be tricky to make. The model? They generally would have made a new model anyway. The only extra work I can really see is turning off the summons. Maybe trying to adjust the assists moves to work on a fighter, but that shouldn't be required. I wouldn't put the flurry thing past being a FS really.

 

[Trevenant]

all this debating when it's just going to be spring man the second

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but they couldn't have been hinting and in turn confirming biff since smash 64 and also have it be spring man the second.

 

[Gentlepanda]

but they couldn't have been hinting and in turn confirming biff since smash 64 and also have it be spring man the second.

it's a classic Sakurai Swerve

 

[Teeb147]

Me thinks it'll be multiple characters maybe, because of the way they announced it.

Im sure that's been said before cant really catch up to 100+ pages tho

 

[Trevenant]

it's a classic Sakurai Swerve

so a absolutely correct hint which has withstood 20 years even before the inception of the switch let alone the springy arms game that also was recently confirmed to be a possible outcome is possibly a coincidental not at all a hint but instead a segway springman 2 cond? that seems plausible

 

[Inawordyes]

I kid you all not, I think the ONLY playable character (alt. skin or otherwise) who WASN'T leaked at any point up to Smash 4's final release (Well... the 3DS version, at least) was Alph.

Rosalina wasn't leaked either, IIRC, unless you count people being able to skip forward in the Direct she was revealed in about ~30 seconds or so somehow as the trailer was beginning and saw her in the video preview right before she was revealed. I don't think I'm remembering that exactly right, but that was a fun wild experience here on Smashboards at the time

 

[Arthur97]

I think a multi-character fighter may be fairly likely. I doubt they'll go full Koopalings so I'm thinking probably either two or four. If two, Spring Man and Ribbon Girl seem like good picks, if four, throw in Min Min and...I don't really know. Someone who isn't too different and could fit the moveset.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Regarding assist trophies, while some are disabled simply because they appear on a stage (Knuckle, the Moon) or for fun reasons (Alucard), we do have cases that are directly affected by the gameplay, such as Skull Kid on spear pillar or klaptraps that are active stage hazards.

I don't see the problem with being able to have Springman playable and as an assist. Now I don't think it will be him playable either.

 

[Nap_]

all this debating when it's just going to be spring man the second

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Not even 2nd, the old man talks about how the 1st Springman passed the torch to him, so we´ll get the 3rd Springo. This is a bit sad.

I'm late, but about the Min Min leak I'm on team fake, seems like somebody is playing with her model. About her hair, she got the space in both sides, look at her trailer. But mostly, the font is WAY OFF. Just ask to a graphic designer, actual victory screens and that one differ too much. I'd like to be real but...
And regarding the AT overlapping a fighter there's the option of not giving a s--- about it, like Chrom in a Final Smash.
Saku: here's Springman and his AT version , any problem?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Saku: here's Springman and his AT version , any problem?

He might have been the kind of kid who had zero problems owning more than one copy of the same toy.

 

[fogbadge]

I mean...he is the first FE fighter since Marth to not be from the most recent game, so he has that going for him, but they may have cut some corners with that model. Outside of that, he's probably got it better than his daughter.

I'll be a happy camper the day when this fandom stops drawing negative conclusions about Sakurai's personality based on how characters are implemented.

it wasnt so much how he was implemented so much as there seemed to be a bit of a patronising tone around him based on the robin trailer

 

[Arthur97]

What? You mean people don't want Skull Kid and Spear Pillar shenanigans at the same time?

But, yeah, Chrom shifted a dynamic on what roles a single character can fill. Even if I do wish they removed him from their final smash and victory screens.

it wasnt so much how he was implemented so much as there seemed to be a bit of a patronising tone around him based on the robin trailer

But that likely got him a lot of support for Ultimate, so it works I guess. He's also apparently massively popular in Japan.

 

[fogbadge]

But that likely got him a lot of support for Ultimate, so it works I guess. He's also apparently massively popular in Japan.

i dont dispute his popularity i just wonder how sak really feels about him

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I'll be a happy camper the day when this fandom stops drawing negative conclusions about Sakurai's personality based on how characters are implemented.

It's never going to happen though. People will always be the way they're.

 

[Arthur97]

Sakurai is an enigma. Trying to figure out his thought processes may just be a waste of time. Especially when and if he decides to just backtrack.

 

[GolisoPower]

Sakurai is an enigma. Trying to figure out his thought processes may just be a waste of time. Especially when and if he decides to just backtrack.

In a way, he's almost like Chika Fujiwara from Kaguya-sama: Love is War.

His very existence is all it takes to throw off the most convincing speculations in this community.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

In a way, he's almost like Chika Fujiwara from Kaguya-sama: Love is War.

His very existence is all it takes to throw off the most convincing speculations in this community.

You could say that him and the Sora company teaming up with Bandai Namco was a match made in heaven, seeing how Harada toys with Tekken's fans himself.

 

[Teeb147]

I think a multi-character fighter may be fairly likely. I doubt they'll go full Koopalings so I'm thinking probably either two or four. If two, Spring Man and Ribbon Girl seem like good picks, if four, throw in Min Min and...I don't really know. Someone who isn't too different and could fit the moveset.

That would make sense to me. 2 girls 2 guys maybe.
Well, im not totally sold on the idea just because it'd mean none of their unique traits would feature. But it definitely still feels like something they might do.

 

[Arthur97]

I do admit, I hope his too many swords comment doesn't hold much water.

That would make sense to me. 2 girls 2 guys maybe.
Well, im not totally sold on the idea just because it'd mean none of their unique traits would feature. But it definitely still feels like something they might do.

Or it could mean multiple of their abilities might be featured ala the Belmonts. Except, you know, as one fighter.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Difference is-and I can't stress this enough-those are only background appearances. If Spring Man were playable, we'd be have to toggle fir a character who's both playable AND an Assist, the latter of which has a model that wasn't made with a playable character in mind.

The day you stop stressing things you have no idea about and that you have constantly been corrected on will be... Well, hopefully the day the ARMS rep is announced.

 

[Perkilator]

The day you stop stressing things you have no idea about and that you have constantly been corrected on will be... Well, hopefully the day the ARMS rep is announced.

I know this: any and all arguing about this will thankfully cease.

 

[fogbadge]

I do admit, I hope his too many swords comment doesn't hold much water.

that felt more like he was trying to be in on the joke rather than actually think there are to many swords

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Gotta say, when the ARMS character finally drops, I'm gonna miss being in charge of such a busy thread.

Unless it's Ribbon Girl, Lola Pop or Dr. Coyle that is. Then that'll last from here until Smash Next-Next gen.

 

[Teeb147]

Gotta say, when the ARMS character finally drops, I'm gonna miss being in charge of such a busy thread.

Unless it's Ribbon Girl, Lola Pop or Dr. Coyle that is. Then that'll last from here until Smash Next-Next gen.

Lol why would those ones make it last longer?

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Lol why would those ones make it last longer?

Because I run those threads too. They're linked in my signature.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I do admit, I hope his too many swords comment doesn't hold much water.

Or it could mean multiple of their abilities might be featured ala the Belmonts. Except, you know, as one fighter.

that felt more like he was trying to be in on the joke rather than actually think there are to many swords

Besides, it would get hard to make any new FE main character inclusions stand out after a while, when they don't get gimmicks like Corrin or Robin.

At the very least, any other additional ARMS characters would get the treatment if they're noteworthy enough.

I know this: any and all arguing about this will thankfully cease.

And THAT is the only thing I'll agree with. I'm looking forward to the day when the reveal gets everyone to shut up about this.

 

[Koopaul]

Wait... Perkilator you thought my post about the Spring Man AT's model not being suitable for a fighter was me saying that Spring Man won't be the chosen fighter? You misunderstood. I think Spring Man is very likely. I was just saying they couldn't just reuse his AT model/animations. They'd either have to make a new one or rework what they have. I still think Spring Man is a very strong candidate.

 

[Teeb147]

Because I run those threads too. They're linked in my signature.

Heh ok. Well at least we know some arms character is getting in in any case.

If it's a multi character, maybe you'd get several there
Altho if it's like hero we eventually centralized to one thread.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Heh ok. Well at least we know some arms character is getting in in any case.

If it's a multi character, maybe you'd get several there
Altho if it's like hero we eventually centralized to one thread.

I think realistically, if it's a Hero situation then Ribbon Girl would be the only one that would be part of it out of those three. Unless they seriously nerf Lola's shoes and Coyle's shoulders. (Though given that Morton and Roy Koopas got nerfed to fit in the car, that might not be far off.)

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I think realistically, if it's a Hero situation then Ribbon Girl would be the only one that would be part of it out of those three. Unless they seriously nerf Lola's shoes and Coyle's shoulders. (Though given that Morton and Roy Koopas got nerfed to fit in the car, that might not be far off.)

The most interesting part about that kind of outcome is that there can be the equal chance of us getting familiar faces with literally whos. Out of everyone in the Hero setup, the only one that wasn't immediately recognizable was , and even then his game established something important for the DQ series.

 

[Teeb147]

I think realistically, if it's a Hero situation then Ribbon Girl would be the only one that would be part of it out of those three. Unless they seriously nerf Lola's shoes and Coyle's shoulders. (Though given that Morton and Roy Koopas got nerfed to fit in the car, that might not be far off.)

Right. They definitely have to be similar enough proportions, and for it to make sense at least.

I really wonder what they went with.

 

[Glaciacott]

Not even 2nd, the old man talks about how the 1st Springman passed the torch to him, so we´ll get the 3rd Springo. This is a bit sad.

I'm late, but about the Min Min leak I'm on team fake, seems like somebody is playing with her model. About her hair, she got the space in both sides, look at her trailer. But mostly, the font is WAY OFF. Just ask to a graphic designer, actual victory screens and that one differ too much. I'd like to be real but...
And regarding the AT overlapping a fighter there's the option of not giving a s--- about it, like Chrom in a Final Smash.
Saku: here's Springman and his AT version , any problem?

having both playable spring man and AT spring man would be a design issue in that it’s confusing to players.

since you can attack and kill assist trophies, it could be confusing to the person playing spring man to keep track of which one is them and to opponents to know which one is the player. It’s why ditto retains the pink gooey color even when turning into the player that summoned it.

but it really should not be hard to just disable the AT if he is being played. That’s still the most elegant solution if they wanted springo to be the arms character.