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Congratulations, Min Min! ARMS character(s) for Smash discussion

Which character do think will be revealed in June?

  • Spring Man

    Votes: 54 16.3%
  • Ribbon Girl

    Votes: 12 3.6%
  • Ninjara

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Mechanica

    Votes: 2 0.6%
  • Master Mummy

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Min Min

    Votes: 104 31.4%
  • Helix

    Votes: 7 2.1%
  • Kid Cobra

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Byte & Barq

    Votes: 2 0.6%
  • Twintelle

    Votes: 25 7.6%
  • Max Brass

    Votes: 18 5.4%
  • Lola Pop

    Votes: 7 2.1%
  • Spring Tron

    Votes: 2 0.6%
  • Misango

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Dr. Coyle

    Votes: 19 5.7%
  • Biff

    Votes: 8 2.4%
  • Combination of 2 or more interchangeable characters

    Votes: 66 19.9%
  • Other (specify in thread)

    Votes: 3 0.9%

  • Total voters
    331
  • Poll closed .

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While this is just speculating, I wonder if a planned Third-Party character will be pushed further back into the pass due to delay issues and someone else will be brought forward? It's interesting to think about.
Well I think we'll be able to find out after the fact with a little code mining. Shuffled about data usually has artifacts of where it was before.
 

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"Unnatural?" Unusual might be more accurate, but, come on, a PNG should mean even less than the assist which we have discussed should be more than doable. For stuff like that, it's clearly not undoable. The intent behind them may be key. However, the intent behind much of that may very well be obsolete now as pass 2 may have not been planned at the time. So, Spring Man being added as an assist due to scheduling may not apply anymore, and it certainly shouldn't be beyond their technical ability to work around it. And let's face it, if the assist did not exist, would there be any serious doubt as to who the fighter was going to be?
Considering the whole "it's one of those fighters, who will it be?" yeah, even without the Assist Trophy, I would believe it's not Springman, personally. There's always characters that will seems more obvious than others, but that would be really bad to do that whole thing just to go for the most basic, normal choice possible.

The situation is unusual to begin with, knowing the origin of the fighter but not his identity. It's also unusual as we are entering a phase of DLC that weren't initially planned, meaning they can go back on decisions like spirits, or simply "Arms is too young and could not be in the initial planning". It will be unusual whoever it will be because of spirits, assist trophies or being a pick that isn't a main character, so it will "break" a fanrule.

Whatever happens, the selection will be different than any other fighters so far. The only one that come close is Robin, being chosen over Chrom in Smash 4 for the gameplay (but still being a protagonist of FE).
 
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"Unnatural?" Unusual might be more accurate, but, come on, a PNG should mean even less than the assist which we have discussed should be more than doable. For stuff like that, it's clearly not undoable. The intent behind them may be key. However, the intent behind much of that may very well be obsolete now as pass 2 may have not been planned at the time. So, Spring Man being added as an assist due to scheduling may not apply anymore, and it certainly shouldn't be beyond their technical ability to work around it. And let's face it, if the assist did not exist, would there be any serious doubt as to who the fighter was going to be?
Someone right above my post already said most of my points, so I'll just one I didn't see :p

Most notably the fact that Nintendo and Sakurai can just do whatever the hell they want with Smash because it's basically their thing. If they want to promote an Assist Trophy through playable means, there's really nothing stopping them for any DLC that's decided after the base game since it's beyond their initial plan.

Heck, it wouldn't even be the first Nintendo fighting game where an Assist-type character gets promoted to playable, as that honor goes to Croagunk in Pokken. So there's definitely precedent to this idea of a promotion and if that's what they want to go for, they'll just go for it, end of story.

Should also point out Croagunk is the only example from Pokken, so in other words, if we do get an Assist promotion in the second Pass, don't expect it to be a norm. It would likely be the only case for the entire wave.

What makes me think it won't be Spring Man is already said above; that guessing game would be utterly pointless if we got the most obvious choice.

It'd be like if, back in 2015, Nintendo said "we're getting a fighter from Street Fighter II, but we're not saying who" when pretty much everyone could tell in advance that it'd be Ryu, and not just because it leaked through datamines, but because Ryu is the mascot for the franchise, if not the entire fighting genre. Spending weeks of making us guess would be a complete waste of time because we'd figure Nintendo out in one second, if even that.
 
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If anything has happened, Sakurai would have let us know ASAP. Besides, development for DLC is less taxing than for an entire base game.

Meanwhile, many other companies' carefully and highly-advertised plans wound up awkwardly having to be moved due to various circumstances.

have they discovered anything via data mining since hero? in regards to smash i mean
Most likely not, seeing how this board hasn't brought any of that up. It's getting harder to find anything.

Someone right above my post already said most of my points, so I'll just one I didn't see :p

Most notably the fact that Nintendo and Sakurai can just do whatever the hell they want with Smash because it's basically their thing. If they want to promote an Assist Trophy through playable means, there's really nothing stopping them for any DLC that's decided after the base game since it's beyond their initial plan.

Heck, it wouldn't even be the first Nintendo fighting game where an Assist-type character gets promoted to playable, as that honor goes to Croagunk in Pokken. So there's definitely precedent to this idea of a promotion and if that's what they want to go for, they'll just go for it, end of story.

Should also point out Croagunk is the only example from Pokken, so in other words, if we do get an Assist promotion in the second Pass, don't expect it to be a norm. It would likely be the only case for the entire wave.

What makes me think it won't be Spring Man is already said above; that guessing game would be utterly pointless if we got the most obvious choice.

It'd be like if, back in 2015, Nintendo said "we're getting a fighter from Street Fighter II, but we're not saying who" when pretty much everyone could tell in advance that it'd be Ryu, and not just because it leaked through datamines, but because Ryu is the mascot for the franchise, if not the entire fighting genre. Spending weeks of making us guess would be a complete waste of time because we'd figure Nintendo out in one second, if even that.
If it is Spring Man, it's almost guaranteed that he would have to come with something unexpected. Unlike other fighting game properties, they can do just about anything with ARMS since it still only has the one game, whereas the other ones have been established for decades and are treated with a bit of reverence to the point that they don't need any formal introduction (even if companies like Bamco tend to go after fan favorites first).
 
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Even in this world of weekends being meaningless with no work/home separation, Nintendo's not going to announce anything on a Sunday.

The real wait starts on Monday.
 

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Even in this world of weekends being meaningless with no work/home separation, Nintendo's not going to announce anything on a Sunday.

The real wait starts on Monday.
Yeah, they're reliably predictable like that. At most we'd hear stuff at 9 PM tonight, in regards to their time zone.

Meanwhile, we still have 9 days left until the killswitch for the current "leak".
 

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Still though, the assist seems to be the main real argument against Springman. Almost if not every series goes with the mascot/main protagonist(s) first. So, without that assist, it would seem pretty obvious they would put Springman. And even if he is basic by ARMS standards, he'd still be an odd one by Smash standards.
 

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Still though, the assist seems to be the main real argument against Springman. Almost if not every series goes with the mascot/main protagonist(s) first. So, without that assist, it would seem pretty obvious they would put Springman. And even if he is basic by ARMS standards, he'd still be an odd one by Smash standards.
Everything in regards to ARMS is a Schrodinger's Cat right now, even the alleged leaks. The closer we move to the announcement, the more confusing it gets.
 

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What makes me think it won't be Spring Man is already said above; that guessing game would be utterly pointless if we got the most obvious choice.
You're right it isn't like not even Nintendo staff as Sakurai stated knew that FP5 was gonna be Byleth.

Also remember Box Theory which proved to be correct?
 
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Also remember Box Theory which proved to be correct?
That one's a little different, since it was a combination of a real leak (Box one) and a fake (Grinch one) arriving at roughly the same time, confusing everyone for about a week, IIRC, especially with some interpreting Sak's "a few more characters" statement prior to those to mean more than what he exactly meant.

If anything, this situation is closer to what happened with the SNK trademark leak (which was accidental) leading to guesswork, before insiders found out the SNK fighter would be Terry. This time, we've been left waiting for months on end...
 
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We could be days or weeks away from the ARMS character regardless I we are close.

How close remains to be seen.
 

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The June 16th rumor that says Spring Man with alts of different characters and a sequel to Kencineroar as the trailer. June 16 is ARMS’s anniversary
The only time they ever did that was for Punch Out, and I don't really use anniversaries to judge when a character reveal occurs. I think we'll see it before then
 

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The only time they ever did that was for Punch Out, and I don't really use anniversaries to judge when a character reveal occurs. I think we'll see it before then
This could be another exceptional time where they could do it again.
 

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The only time they ever did that was for Punch Out, and I don't really use anniversaries to judge when a character reveal occurs. I think we'll see it before then
Robin and Lucina’s trailer had Captain Falcon in it because it was F-Zero X’s JP anniversary, but yeah I agree
 

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I'm not so sure about the 16th but that's only because I think it's a bit close to the Pokemon DLC.
 

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I'm not so sure about the 16th but that's only because I think it's a bit close to the Pokemon DLC.
Most likely not. Even the Three Houses DLC was separated by about two weeks or so from the end of the first Fighter Pass
 

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To another endless guessing game?
Nah, just to knowing who the next character shortly after that is. We are supposed to specifically move on from the deliberate guessing game of ARMS, no other character before this one was so vague in their reveals, not even Byleth (really only lasted two days on that one).

Oh snap! Does that mean FP7 is an Gen 8 Pokemon?
That would require exceptional timing.

In case it is though, I'm ready for the kung fu Ultraman Tiga bear. :mybodyisreggie:
 
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It would go back to my initial theory of base forms being deconfirmed by their spirits, but not their evos, incidentally.

Also, GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAALLL!
As you say though just starter forms plus Pokemon aren't characters, they're an species so there's more then one. So final evolutions are still on the table.

Checkmate.
 
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I doubt they would make future reveals this ambiguous again.
You're right - they're going to make them even more ambiguous!
But really though, I don't think there would be any real point in doing that outside of ARMS, not only would it be nonsensical, but it'd get old fast.

Like, "Who's that Pokémon?", "which Ubisoft character is it?", "what Mario character is it?" or, lord forbid, even this:

https://twitter.com/Kirby_JP/status/998760585742336000
 
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But really though, I don't think there would be any real point in doing that outside of ARMS, not only would it be nonsensical, but it'd get old fast.

Like, "Who's that Pokémon?", "which Ubisoft character is it?", "what Mario character is it?" or, lord forbid, even this:

https://twitter.com/Kirby_JP/status/998760585742336000
I think there are some games where it could still work. Can't think of any off the top of my head, but they're out there.
 

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I doubt they would make future reveals this ambiguous again.
Well I'm not so sure. I don't think they'll do it for 3rd parties but if there's more Nintendo characters, who's to say they don't do this for the next one?

Think about it, more people than in ages are now talking about, playing and looking at ARMS. Think of how many people went on that free weekend just to get an idea of how an ARMS rep would play.
 

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Well I'm not so sure. I don't think they'll do it for 3rd parties but if there's more Nintendo characters, who's to say they don't do this for the next one?

Think about it, more people than in ages are now talking about, playing and looking at ARMS. Think of how many people went on that free weekend just to get an idea of how an ARMS rep would play.
Imagine if Nintendo (on HAL's behalf) gets Sak out of his comfort zone enough to do it for a :ultkirby: character, like I pointed out earlier. We still have no idea what, if any, upcoming projects for that series will be like, since we usually get at least one entry per year.

If it were to be one for Metroid though, the guess would be a tad more obvious, since we got the biggest names out of the way, the real mystery would be if it's in relation to Prime 4.
 
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But really though, I don't think there would be any real point in doing that outside of ARMS, not only would it be nonsensical, but it'd get old fast.

Like, "Who's that Pokémon?", "which Ubisoft character is it?", "what Mario character is it?" or, lord forbid, even this:

https://twitter.com/Kirby_JP/status/998760585742336000
Those Kirby ones were really vicious.

I don't see it happening again anyway, I feel like Arms is a special case in many ways. Byleth was too, but because of how secretive it was, even for Nintendo employees.

Almost every DLCs reveals are handled differently now that I think about it.

:ultpiranha: The unusual, "joke" character, presented almost like an echo fighter.
:ultjoker: Flashy animated trailer made for the Game Awards, without gameplay.
:ulthero: and :ultbanjokazooie: The most standard of the bunch, with "normal" trailers, mixing CGI and Gameplay.
:ult_terry:Fun trailer paying hommage to the Neo Geo, while keeping a short mystery about who the SNK character will be playable. No gameplay, but in game model shown directly. Let's not forget the little teaser during Banjo's presentation the same day.
:ultbyleth:Normal trailer, but revealed directly during Sakurai's presentation, with an awkward hint before.
And now Arms, with only the game origin reveal, with 15 potential characters shown.
 

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Well for Pokemon the tease would be real easy, just show the Galar Pokedex.

Others may be a bit trickier as they have definite front-runners
  • Waddle Dee w/Bandana for Kirby
  • Krystal for Star Fox (with an edge of "well Japan loooooves Slippy")
  • Waluigi and/or Geno for Mario
Then again, we though Spring Man was a lock when ARMS speculation began and thanks to circumstances, we've got no clue.
 

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Well for Pokemon the tease would be real easy, just show the Galar Pokedex.

Others may be a bit trickier as they have definite front-runners
  • Waddle Dee w/Bandana for Kirby
  • Krystal for Star Fox (with an edge of "well Japan loooooves Slippy")
  • Waluigi and/or Geno for Mario
Then again, we though Spring Man was a lock when ARMS speculation began and thanks to circumstances, we've got no clue.
and I currently think Spring Man's the least likely out of the bunch given that he had both a Mii Costume and AT. It's a big elephant in the room
 

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Well for Pokemon the tease would be real easy, just show the Galar Pokedex.

Others may be a bit trickier as they have definite front-runners
  • Waddle Dee w/Bandana for Kirby
  • Krystal for Star Fox (with an edge of "well Japan loooooves Slippy")
  • Waluigi and/or Geno for Mario
Then again, we though Spring Man was a lock when ARMS speculation began and thanks to circumstances, we've got no clue.
how about Xenoblade? the Rex vs Elma wars would be in full force... though I personally think Rex is the least likely there due to him being not just a Mii Costume, but one that's bundled with a paid-for pass (aka not in the base game).
 
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