Congratulations, Min Min! ARMS character(s) for Smash discussion

[Perkilator]

and I currently think Spring Man's the least likely out of the bunch given that he had both a Mii Costume and AT. It's a big elephant in the room

Mii Costume, not much an issue.

His AT status is the REAL elephant in the room.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I'm gonna take this from the Min Min thread:

Spring Man was the poster boy for ARMS for sure and he was made the assist trophy, no doubt, for that reason. But we don't know what the future of ARMS is right now. The comic book was suppose to come out AGES ago and delve deeper into Spring Man's lore. But the comic book never came, but as of this January Dark Horse has said that the book is still in production. It's possible the whole thing has been rebooted and the story changed. Min Min could very well get a big push as a result of winning the party crash bash. In fact, Twintelle may get a big push as her popularity sprung purely from her design, the ads barely had much fanfare for her, other than some savvy screenshots. She was made available later in the Global Online Test Punch for the game as a result of that. It wasn't in the original plan.

We'll see what happens. As others have said, Nintendo decided to try and control speculation this time around and are having us ponder who the ARMS fighter could be. Under pre-release conditions, Spring Man would've been the obvious choice. Right now, we don't know what Nintendo has in mind for ARMS as an IP. I imagine the chosen character, whoever it may be, will be used in a bigger push for the ARMS IP lore and/or marketability.

Pikachu is Pokemon's mascot today, but everything we know and love about the little rodent came from the Pokemon Anime (including the infamous 'say your own name' voice), which came after the release of Red/Blue/Green.

It would make sense seeing as how Clefairy was planned to be Pokemon's mascot at one point before the anime happened and Pikachu became a literal household name

tl;dr - it's possible Min Min will replace Spring Man as ARMS's true mascot. Spring Man stays an AT but Min Min becomes playable in Smash

 

[Perkilator]

I'm gonna take this from the Min Min thread:

It would make sense seeing as how Clefairy was planned to be Pokemon's mascot at one point before the anime happened and Pikachu became a literal household name

tl;dr - it's possible Min Min will replace Spring Man as ARMS's true mascot. Spring Man stays an AT but Min Min becomes playable in Smash

Of course, that's not stopping Spring Man from being promoted in future games.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

how about Xenoblade? the Rex vs Elma wars would be in full force... though I personally think Rex is the least likely there due to him being not just a Mii Costume, but one that's bundled with a paid-for pass (aka not in the base game).

Oh it's more than that, it's a NESTED debate.

Sure on the surface it's Xenoblade X vs Xenoblade 2 but each one has it's own internal war.

X- Elma vs Rook. Elma is for all intents and purposes the protagonist but Sakurai has shown a tendancy to add the playable character. Look at the support threads for Toom Nook and Edelgard over the two that actually got in.

2- While it's likely to be Rex, the debates on who the Blade, or Blades, will be rage on hard. Not to mention that Pyra's crime of having exposed thighs is more than enough to get these boards up in a dander.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

how about Xenoblade? the Rex vs Elma wars would be in full force... though I personally think Rex is the least likely there due to him being not just a Mii Costume, but one that's bundled with a paid-for pass (aka not in the base game).

Rex is an awkward case because of the Mii costume. It's not something important and there's several costumes of playable characters, but... It's a special bonus for the fighter pass 1. It would be weird to sell the costume, locked behind the pass, then the character.

Now, the costume definitely is a "sorry, Xenoblade 2 was too late, this is a consolation prize" and the Fighter pass 2 is already going back on things that couldn't happen with Arms. + This time, the bonus costume is a mere BotW armor, so it's definitely seen as a small bonus. I don't think Rex cannot happen because of the costume. It's just something to consider, as they could think it's "enough". But on the same time, they could think that selling Rex twice is also something possible...

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Rex is an awkward case because of the Mii costume. It's not something important and there's several costumes of playable characters, but... It's a special bonus for the fighter pass 1. It would be weird to sell the costume, locked behind the pass, then the character.

Now, the costume definitely is a "sorry, Xenoblade 2 was too late, this is a consolation prize" and the Fighter pass 2 is already going back on things that couldn't happen with Arms. + This time, the bonus costume is a mere BotW armor, so it's definitely seen as a small bonus. I don't think Rex cannot happen because of the costume. It's just something to consider, as they could think it's "enough". But on the same time, they could think that selling Rex twice is also something possible...

2 also has music in the base game. Not a lot, but music nevertheless. X has no music whatsoever, same with ARMS. they could have included ARMS music with Spring Man's AT but they didn't.

and since challenger packs come with music....

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

how about Xenoblade? the Rex vs Elma wars would be in full force... though I personally think Rex is the least likely there due to him being not just a Mii Costume, but one that's bundled with a paid-for pass (aka not in the base game).

Rex is an awkward case because of the Mii costume. It's not something important and there's several costumes of playable characters, but... It's a special bonus for the fighter pass 1. It would be weird to sell the costume, locked behind the pass, then the character.

Now, the costume definitely is a "sorry, Xenoblade 2 was too late, this is a consolation prize" and the Fighter pass 2 is already going back on things that couldn't happen with Arms. + This time, the bonus costume is a mere BotW armor, so it's definitely seen as a small bonus. I don't think Rex cannot happen because of the costume. It's just something to consider, as they could think it's "enough". But on the same time, they could think that selling Rex twice is also something possible...

Here's the really odd thing about that: Rex is the only character Sak openly and sincerely apologized for not getting in, which makes me think he regretted having to pass over him. He'd pretty much be the only real way to capitalize on Xenoblade Definitive Edition's recent successful sales.

Also I really wish Takahashi will eventually explain where X fits in the timeline and/or universe, we're lost on that right now.

 

[Dukefire]

Well, time to prepare if another "fan restriction barrier" is broken with the ARMS rep this close for reveal.

Image made was propably from twitter somewhere

Spoiler: Current restrictions brokens with ultimate so far.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

2 also has music in the base game. Not a lot, but music nevertheless. X has no music whatsoever, same with ARMS. they could have included ARMS music with Spring Man's AT but they didn't.

and since challenger packs come with music....

The most bizarre thing is the fact that Nia's costume is base game while Rex is part of the pass.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

The most bizarre thing is the fact that Nia's costume is base game while Rex is part of the pass.

it IS pretty weird, yeah

i am half expecting them to pull a Cuphead and do a patch where if you own Rex's costume, Shulk in Rex's Spirit battle is replaced with a Swordfighter dressed as Rex

 

[Dukefire]

Ehhhhhh.........the Smash team and Sakurai works with what was available at the time.

Spoiler: Mmmmmm

 

[RebelMaren]

I've said this before, but Smash has the clout that whatever character they put in from ARMS will become the new de-facto 'most recognisible ARMS character'. I can't see them feeling that they absolutely have to include the character they see as most recognisible, otherwise they'd just go with another franchise entirely.

 

[fogbadge]

The June 16th rumor that says Spring Man with alts of different characters and a sequel to Kencineroar as the trailer. June 16 is ARMS’s anniversary

oh the one where it says he'll eight different characters even though sakurai said the dev team was too small for that during dlc?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Well, time to prepare if another "fan restriction barrier" is broken with the ARMS rep this close for reveal.

Image made was propably from twitter somewhere

Spoiler: Current restrictions brokens with ultimate so far.

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And I've been publicly naysayed about some of these, too.

I've said this before, but Smash has the clout that whatever character they put in from ARMS will become the new de-facto 'most recognisible ARMS character'. I can't see them feeling that they absolutely have to include the character they see as most recognisible, otherwise they'd just go with another franchise entirely.

Given Sak's spiel about fun over recognisability, that could be possible. And unlike Spring Man, never got in as an AT prior to becoming playable.

We just don't know if they'll really do it.

oh the one where it says he'll eight different characters even though sakurai said the dev team was too small for that during dlc?

I'm pretty sure it was only said they ran out of time (among other things) for Hero's alts. With the longer deadline, they might have got more room to breathe.

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

While I don't think they would shadowdrop the reveal, I am going to make an effort to check NoA's twitter every morning at 9am EST just in case
.

 

[Dukefire]

Usually the announcement of the trailer/Sakurai Presentation is brought up on Tuesday or Wednesday 1 day prior before video

 

[Guybrush20X6]

While I don't think they would shadowdrop the reveal, I am going to make an effort to check NoA's twitter every morning at 9am EST just in case
.

And if possible, check Nintendo Japan and Sakurai's Twitter accounts at 9am Japan time. That should be in 5 minutes from now.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

And if possible, check Nintendo Japan and Sakurai's Twitter accounts at 9am Japan time. That should be in 5 minutes from now.

Not to mention Smash Bros JP.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I have alerts for NintendoAmerica and NintendoVS on my Twitter iPhone app. so far nothing, but the minute I get an alert I'll post whatever there is if someone else hasn't already done so

 

[GoodGrief741]

I'm gonna take this from the Min Min thread:

It would make sense seeing as how Clefairy was planned to be Pokemon's mascot at one point before the anime happened and Pikachu became a literal household name

tl;dr - it's possible Min Min will replace Spring Man as ARMS's true mascot. Spring Man stays an AT but Min Min becomes playable in Smash

If you're honestly implying that they completely scrapped the comic book and made it about a completely different character, then I think you're just seeing what you wanna see.

 

[Chaosmaster8753]

Considering no DLC has ever brought any new assist trophies, is there some kind of developmental problem with changing anything related to them post launch?

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Considering no DLC has ever brought any new assist trophies, is there some kind of developmental problem with changing anything related to them post launch?

I don't think so, I just think it's something they never bother to alter. Though the problem might be that a change to the ATs must be universal and not just for those who have the DLC.

 

[NOSTARSICK]

Here's hoping we get at least who the character is this week

 

[Guybrush20X6]

To another endless guessing game?

And afterthat another, then another, then another...

6 endless guessing games ahead of us, for that is the way of Smash Speculation.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

And afterthat another, then another, then another...

6 endless guessing games ahead of us, for that is the way of Smash Speculation.

...I don't think the statement was meant to be taken so broadly. They really only intended an actual guessing game for the ARMS character, that's it.

Anyway, as long as we don't get 6 more instances of specific mistranslated Sakurai lines, because lord knows the fanbase is already enough of a mess from trying to figure out what'll happen, or what the creators intended.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

...I don't think the statement was meant to be taken so broadly. They really only intended an actual guessing game for the ARMS character, that's it.

Anyway, as long as we don't get 6 more instances of specific mistranslated Sakurai lines, because lord knows the fanbase is already enough of a mess from trying to figure out what'll happen, or what the creators intended.

With enough luck, we may get character 7 announced soonish but I'm not holding my breath thanks to Covid.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

With enough luck, we may get character 7 announced soonish but I'm not holding my breath thanks to Covid.

I wouldn't worry too much. Since Sak had measures set up not too long after initial worries, who knows which lengths he went to accomplish his life's mission? We're talking a guy who keeps his cards close to his chest, much like Nintendo.

Just wait and see what'll happen.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Rex is an awkward case because of the Mii costume. It's not something important and there's several costumes of playable characters, but... It's a special bonus for the fighter pass 1. It would be weird to sell the costume, locked behind the pass, then the character.

Now, the costume definitely is a "sorry, Xenoblade 2 was too late, this is a consolation prize" and the Fighter pass 2 is already going back on things that couldn't happen with Arms. + This time, the bonus costume is a mere BotW armor, so it's definitely seen as a small bonus. I don't think Rex cannot happen because of the costume. It's just something to consider, as they could think it's "enough". But on the same time, they could think that selling Rex twice is also something possible...

You aren't paying for the Rex costume in FP1, you're paying for the actual fighters.

Also I think the real reason Rie thinks Elma is more likely is because she prefers her. Same with Min Min.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I wouldn't worry too much. Since Sak had measures set up not too long after initial worries, who knows which lengths he went to accomplish his life's mission? We're talking a guy who keeps his cards close to his chest, much like Nintendo.

Just wait and see what'll happen.

Really depend on if character 7 was Nintendo's or a third parties. Nintendo may have it's own system of home working in place but I'm betting it's very internal (probably using the last AC: City Folk server and a Wii Speak) so communication with externals may prove more challenging.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

So, if the goalpost doesn't get moved yet again, the Summer Game Fest should be reprising on this Tuesday with news for Destiny 2. Whether anything else noteworthy happens, I'm about 50/50 on it. Half of me expects the ARMS announcement, but the other half expects yet another filler spirit event.

Really depend on if character 7 was Nintendo's or a third parties. Nintendo may have it's own system of home working in place but I'm betting it's very internal (probably using the last AC: City Folk server and a Wii Speak) so communication with externals may prove more challenging.

Probably, but some Japanese companies seem to be more progressive about it than others (hell, Capcom's initial response was to shut down completely), not to mention Western ones that are prepared by now. Besides, Sak is in an independent developer setup anyway and much of his current staff is from Bandai Namco.

 

[fogbadge]

Probably, but some Japanese companies seem to be more progressive about it than others (hell, Capcom's initial response was to shut down completely), not to mention Western ones that are prepared by now. Besides, Sak is in an independent developer setup anyway and much of his current staff is from Bandai Namco.

really? i thought sora was fully owned by nintendo

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

You're right it isn't like not even Nintendo staff as Sakurai stated knew that FP5 was gonna be Byleth.

Entirely different situation.

Fire Emblem is made by Intelligent Systems, not Nintendo. And Three Houses specifically also has Koei Tecmo involved.

In other words, Sakurai was able to just never tell Nintendo because he never needed to communicate to them about Byleth.

This... cannot reasonably be done with ARMS because it's fully made in-house by the same team as Mario Kart.

Also remember Box Theory which proved to be correct?

Nice try, I actually fully believed that theory

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Entirely different situation.

Fire Emblem is made by Intelligent Systems, not Nintendo. And Three Houses specifically also has Koei Tecmo involved.

In other words, Sakurai was able to just never tell Nintendo because he never needed to communicate to them about Byleth.

This... cannot reasonably be done with ARMS because it's fully made in-house by the same team as Mario Kart.


Nice try, I actually fully believed that theory

Lets also not forget the SNK leak, we already knew that'd be Terry to begin with.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Lets also not forget the SNK leak, we already knew that'd be Terry to begin with.

That was a 75/25 split between him and Nakaruru from what I remember.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

That was a 75/25 split between him and Nakaruru from what I remember.

it was more 75% Terry, 15% Nakoruru, 10% Kyo (cause of some crackpot theory that Terry already appeared in a crossover title and Kyo didn't or something) and interestingly enough, 5% Mai [GOOD BOYS AND GIRLS INTENSIFIES]

 

[Michael the Spikester]

That was a 75/25 split between him and Nakaruru from what I remember.

In the end though it was clear Terry was the one because he's to SNK as Mario is to Nintendo, what Sonic is to Sonic and so on.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

it was more 75% Terry, 15% Nakoruru, 10% Kyo (cause of some crackpot theory that Terry already appeared in a crossover title and Kyo didn't or something) and interestingly enough, 5% Mai [GOOD BOYS AND GIRLS INTENSIFIES]

That's 105%. Unless that's a hint that Mai never ever had a chance.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

That's 105%. Unless that's a hint that Mai never ever had a chance.

curse you math!!

but also yes Mai never ever had a chance

 

[Trevenant]

Tbh I'm still 90% confident it's Springman. I guess the focus could shift to Min Min being the mascot but it's probably better to stick to things we actually know. I think an ARMS 2 would probably be in the works but I don't think that would play a major role in representation as it will inevitably release after the DLC and the only time this has truly happened is with Roy who was in game before the game released and was also a clone. If Min Min does play a more mascot like role then maybe but I think it will stick to Springo.

The whole guess who thing can be explained by several things. Maybe they think the prospect of assist upgrades is exciting, maybe they don't really care about the climax like they have shown several times before, maybe it's him but with something more major involved? It is still kind of hard to imagine them going with anyone BUT springman in the first place.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Lets also not forget the SNK leak, we already knew that'd be Terry to begin with.

Being fair, Terry and the Fatal Fury series had a massive impact on the fighting genre and its legacy can still be felt in the latest King of Fighters titles.

Of course it'd be the protagonist from a franchise with a legacy that spans three goddamn decades (even if the Last Fatal Fury game was released back when Nintendo still owned Rare... ). SNK actually went ahead made him an actual girl in their Heroines crossover about SNK female fighters, so I very much doubt they'd imagine anyone but Terry if they're willing to do that.

ARMS is still a very young IP, so not everything is set in stone. After all, Pokemon had Clefairy being considered as the macsot before Pikachu and Dimitri was the Darkstalkers protagonist before Morrigan stole the spotlight from 2 onwards. Not everything is fully figured out before the first game is even released.

When an IP is young, changes like that can happen. Trying to compare ARMS to things with a long-standing history is basically an apples and oranges situation.