Congratulations, Min Min! ARMS character(s) for Smash discussion

[Arthur97]

Mii Costume, not much an issue.

His AT status is the REAL elephant in the room.

And it's a pretty small elephant. Like one of those porcelain ones. We've gone over repeatedly why that's (probably) a non-issue. And, of course the Min-Min thread would think she's most likely. Like how the Elma thread probably think she's more likely even if Rex is both from a more successful and more relevant game. These fan rules can be taken or discarded as befitting someone's wants.

I still say it at least should be Spring Man as the mascot.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Lets also not forget the SNK leak, we already knew that'd be Terry to begin with.

That was a 75/25 split between him and Nakaruru from what I remember.

it was more 75% Terry, 15% Nakoruru, 10% Kyo (cause of some crackpot theory that Terry already appeared in a crossover title and Kyo didn't or something) and interestingly enough, 5% Mai [GOOD BOYS AND GIRLS INTENSIFIES]

And I'm one of the handful of people in all of society who thought it might have been Marco.

curse you math!!

but also yes Mai never ever had a chance

And even if she did get in, her fanbase would have immediately noticed something was off when her outfit would have been drastically altered. Losing battle overall, but at least we got the gist of SNK cameos anyhow.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

And, of course the Min-Min thread would think she's most likely.

tfw someone tries to use bias as an objective argument

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Here's a something we can do to pass the time. Remember the tier list maker and ranking your most wanted? Well let's contrast that against who you THINK will be the character(s) will be.

Here's my wants

versus who I think it may be

How do your lists look?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Just to clear it up, is the June 16 leak for the reveal itself, or when the fighter reveal date is announced?

Here's a something we can do to pass the time. Remember the tier list maker and ranking your most wanted? Well let's contrast that against who you THINK will be the character(s) will be.

Here's my wants
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versus who I think it may be
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How do your lists look?

Would love to see: Max Brass, Dr. Coyle, Lola Pop
Would be fine with: Min Min, Kid Cobra, Helix
Feel neutral on them: Spring Man, Ribbon Girl, Biff, Springtron, Ninjara
Not too interested or confident in their chances: Mechanica, Byte & Barq, Misango, Twintelle
Don't really care: Master Mummy

Almost certain to get in: Spring Man, Ribbon Girl, Min Min, Ninjara
Not as likely, but could happen: Lola Pop, Kid Cobra, Springtron
Somewhat likely, but could just as be ignored: Max Brass, Misango, Dr. Coyle
Impossible, but not improbable: Biff, Helix, Twintelle
Forget it: Byte & Barq, Master Mummy, Mechanica

 

[♕Pretty Roger♕]

And it's a pretty small elephant. Like one of those porcelain ones. We've gone over repeatedly why that's a non-issue. And, of course the Min-Min thread would think she's most likely. Like how the Elma thread probably think she's more likely even if Rex is both from a more successful and more relevant game. These fan rules can be taken or discarded as befitting someone's wants.

I still say it at least should be Spring Man as the mascot.

Sure... because those arguments that say AT’s aren’t a problem have factual evidence and are TOTALLY objective.

Just for the record 0 out of 75 fighters are ATs currently, just saying.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Here's a something we can do to pass the time. Remember the tier list maker and ranking your most wanted? Well let's contrast that against who you THINK will be the character(s) will be.

Here's my wants
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versus who I think it may be
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How do your lists look?

For Wants:
I NEED IT - Min Min
Would be awesome: Twintelle, Ninjara, Ribbon Girl, Dr. Coyle
Meh: Misango, Lola Pop, Max Brass, Helix, Byte and Barq, Mechanica
Would rather not: Kid Cobra, Spring Man, Springtron, Master Mummy
LMAO: Biff

For Likelihood:
90%: also Min Min
75%: Ninjara, Max Brass, Ribbon Girl
50%: Twintelle, Spring Man, Dr. Coyle, Lola Pop
25%: Misango, Springtron, Helix, Mechanica
1%: Kid Cobra, Master Mummy, Byte & Barq
I Will Do Something Outrageous (But SFW) On Camera If This Happens: Biff

 

[fogbadge]

im gonna miss these walls of text

 

[Guybrush20X6]

im gonna miss these walls of text

Don't worry, once the character is confirmed we'll get walls of text about how everyone was wrong, from supporters to the gaming community or even Sakurai himself somehow.

 

[Megadoomer]

Here's a something we can do to pass the time. Remember the tier list maker and ranking your most wanted? Well let's contrast that against who you THINK will be the character(s) will be.

Here's my wants
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versus who I think it may be
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How do your lists look?

Admittedly, I know next to nothing about ARMS, but here's my attempt.

Most likely:

Most wanted:

Not a huge difference, between the two, and like I said, I know very little about ARMS. While I'd want to see Spring Man included for the doorways that he'd open up (his inclusion would greatly increase the chances of assist trophies being promoted to playable status as DLC, both for Ultimate and future Smash games). I find Spring Man to be boring as a character, so as far as Spring Man on his own goes, I ranked him low in my Wants list.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Sure... because those arguments that say AT’s aren’t a problem have factual evidence and are TOTALLY objective.

Just for the record 0 out of 75 fighters are ATs currently, just saying.

But some AT and Pokemons (only Palkia I think?) are stage hazards and background elements, and are disabled on respective stages, and fighters can affect certains stages, such as Dedede and every Link.

Fighters can disable stage elements. Stage elements can disable AT and Pokeballs as well. There's a lot of specific triggers and checks in the game, such as Fox's Final Smash having a specific quotes against Wolf only, KoF background characters appearing according to the music, as well as Moray Towers changing with Splatfest musics, Codecs / Palutena's guidance checking which other fighter is in the match... In a nutshell, the game have everything to know what stages, fighters and all are present at any given time to avoid some conflict (which is relatively stupid when Chrom can aid Robin against 7 other Chroms, for example)

More importantly, we have a character who already affect an AT: Snake, with Gray Fox.

I don't see why the game could not check if the playable Springman is in a battle, to prevent the assist from appearing.

Now, the question is: do Sakurai and his team want to promote Springman, or do they want to keep his role as an assist only? That's almost another question completely, and I do believe that yes, he will stay only an assist.

But on the technical side, nothing prevents a character from being promoted.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Don't worry, once the character is confirmed we'll get walls of text about how everyone was wrong, from supporters to the gaming community or even Sakurai himself somehow.

And there's gonna be a wall of text from me pertaining to what specific element of discussion was proven wrong, alongside a lecture about how one is supposed to expect the unexpected, pointing out how those in this thread made themselves look silly for the past few months, and encouraging to not treat every theory like a fairy tale, something like that.

Also, if the June 16 leak is proven right, I'll admit that it's one of the rare cases /v/ managed to have an actual leaker.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Sure... because those arguments that say AT’s aren’t a problem have factual evidence and are TOTALLY objective.

Just for the record 0 out of 75 fighters are ATs currently, just saying.

Alucard, Knuckles and Moon: Disabled on Wii Fit stage, Green Hill Zone and Bay.

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[Glaciacott]

Alucard, Knuckles and Moon: Disabled on Wii Fit stage, Green Hill Zone and Bay.

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I keep seeing this cookie-cutter response and I'm kind of tired of seeing more than half of it make no sense.

Chrom, Mario and Samus in this scenario are completely different issues. The problem of the Spring Man AT is that if anyone is playing as Spring Man and the AT comes up, it can result as confusing to players to know which one is the player and which one is the AT since both are doing damage and both are capable of taking damage.
Which is where different solutions need to exist like the AT being disabled (easiest) or receiving some other obvious marker to avoid confusion (like being Springtron instead). So the first sentence in this post is applicable.

The rest make no sense. Chrom and Samus in a final smash cannot be confused for a player. Mario in a victory screen is even less relevant.

 

[8-peacock-8]

To another endless guessing game?

A guessing game that lasts until 2022. Perfect.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I keep seeing this cookie-cutter response and I'm kind of tired of seeing more than half of it make no sense.

Chrom, Mario and Samus in this scenario are completely different issues. The problem of the Spring Man AT is that if anyone is playing as Spring Man and the AT comes up, it can result as confusing to players to know which one is the player and which one is the AT since both are doing damage and both are capable of taking damage.
Which is where different solutions need to exist like the AT being disabled (easiest) or receiving some other obvious marker to avoid confusion (like being Springtron instead). So the first sentence in this post is applicable.

The rest make no sense. Chrom and Samus in a final smash cannot be confused for a player. Mario in a victory screen is even less relevant.

And what's stopping Spring Man when being used from not being disabled like Assists?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

A guessing game that lasts until 2022. Perfect.

The entire gaming industry is a guessing game, case closed.

 

[chocolatejr9]

The entire gaming industry is a guessing game, case closed.

OBJECTION!!!!

EA is VERY easy to predict: whatever they release will have at least ONE form of microtransaction!

 

[MisterMike]

Sure... because those arguments that say AT’s aren’t a problem have factual evidence and are TOTALLY objective.

But it is objective. It's not their opinion that it could happen, it's an impartial inference based on what we know. Currently there is nothing that definitively states that characters who have been included as an Assist Trophy, a Mii Costume, a Spirit, or any other non-fighter role, cannot be included as a fighter later down the line within the same game. Neither Sakurai nor anyone working on the games has ever made statements that support that idea. As such, it is reasonable to assume that the possibility is there.

Just for the record 0 out of 75 fighters are ATs currently, just saying.

And so far, out of over 75 fighters in the game thus far, Disney doesn't have a single characters in Smash. So does that mean that Sora will never be in Smash? Saying that something can't happen because it hasn't happened yet is not an argument.

 

[Glaciacott]

And what's stopping Spring Man when being used from not being disabled like Assists?

I don't think you actually read my post, since that's the part where I agree with you. I'm just tired of cookie-cutter responses that are honestly reductionist to actual conversation and discussion.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I don't think you actually read my post, since that's the part where I agree with you. I'm just tired of cookie-cutter responses that are honestly reductionist to actual conversation and discussion.

My bad, I should had read more closely to what you said.

 

[RebelMaren]

OBJECTION!!!!

EA is VERY easy to predict: whatever they release will have at least ONE form of microtransaction!

Jedi: Fallen Order?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

OBJECTION!!!!

EA is VERY easy to predict: whatever they release will have at least ONE form of microtransaction!

The exception that proves KW's statement

 

[RebelMaren]

The exception that proves KW's statement

Fair enough

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Fair enough

Wasn't replying to your post specifically, but I guess it works for that one too

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Well I'm off to bed now.

Here's to hoping this is the last week of ARMS speculation. And if it's not, we'll have more fun arguing over it.

 

[Trevenant]

and I currently think Spring Man's the least likely out of the bunch given that he had both a Mii Costume and AT. It's a big elephant in the room

Mii Costume, not much an issue.

His AT status is the REAL elephant in the room.

Can we honestly stop using the assist as a reason he can't be the character and btw I only just saw these. The fact that the assets were made specifically for ultimate doesn't mean anything, it will only help with development.

And when it comes to the other excuse, I think we should honestly face it and just say that the assist can be disabled quite simply if the fighter can. In fact there are several instances that a character is disabled SPECIFICALLY because of a certain character being on screen. If they can be disabled and we know assists can be, we only need to put two and two together to know that yeah they can logically be disabled when a character is in play

I don't know whether this is bias against the character or towards someone else or that they don't want assists upgraded etc but we should at least try to find better excuses than those cos it just seems like they don't want him playable

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Well I'm off to bed now.

Here's to hoping this is the last week of ARMS speculation. And if it's not, we'll have more fun arguing over it.

It'll be a good time for me to focus on MediEvil and Flower, Sun and Rain, if nothing else.

 

[Arthur97]

Sure... because those arguments that say AT’s aren’t a problem have factual evidence and are TOTALLY objective.

Just for the record 0 out of 75 fighters are ATs currently, just saying.

In Smash 4, none of them were part of a Final Smash either. None of them were part of victory poses for other fighters. In Melee none of them were third party. In Smash 4 none of them were owned by a direct console rival. In Smash 4 Ridley was "too big."

When will the Smash base give up these rules of theirs? And, yeah, we have evidence that assists can be turned off. We know that it already happens. So, since they could just turn it off, why not? Let's break another rule. Sakurai does seem to love doing that, now doesn't he?

For stuff like this, intent is probably more important than the type of content itself. Let's say, for example, a Kingdom Hearts spirit board is released with Sora. Well, the fact they actually released it with him seems pretty telling they don't plan to add him. Now, if they announced a pass 3 that had not begun planning until after the spirit board, then Sora could once again be on the table. Even better for Spring Man, his situation has apparently changed. The time constraint issue is no longer an issue, and clearly, he was their go to pick for some form of ARMS rep back then. Similarly, Rex may be in a similar boat, and, again, he was the favored pick. Elma didn't have the scheduling conflict, yet she still wasn't there.

tfw someone tries to use bias as an objective argument

Who said it's objective? Just remember how biased people there might be in favor of her.

Now, all that said, given that they showed, pretty much the roster during the tease, I'd say it's fairly likely we're getting more than one. Spring Man would be a good choice, in my opinion, to be the default, and, remember, mascots don't have to be the most popular. Marth is a good example of that. He's the mascot, and he's often a given for crossover content, but he's not the most popular. That said, if you were only going to put one FE rep in Smash, Marth would obviously be a strong contender.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I Melee none of them were third party.

Keep in mind though Snake was going to be in but development was too late and Sonic was also planned or at least considered.

Otherwise yes I do agree with everything said.

 

[Arthur97]

Keep in mind though Snake was going to be in but development was too late and Sonic was also planned or at least considered.

Otherwise yes I do agree with everything said.

Still never happened. The statement is still true. I don't think Sonic was seriously considered at the time, more Sakurai saying they should have asked.

And don't remind me that Snake was more or less a personal favor it seems.

But, perhaps more importantly to the point, I don't think fans knew about either of those until after Melee.

 

[Trevenant]

What do you guys think the stage will be as we are close to the presentation (at most 3 weeks)? I really don't want Sky Arena due to how basic it is. This may be my bias but I think it's probably going to be Spring Stadium. I guess it could be Sky Arena though.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

What do you guys think the stage will be as we are close to the presentation (at most 3 weeks)? I really don't want Sky Arena due to how basic it is. This may be my bias but I think it's probably going to be Spring Stadium. I guess it could be Sky Arena though.

Spoiler: half-baked analysis

Spring Stadium's gimmick is that it has springs where a typical boxing ring's ropes would be... except the Boxing Ring stage we have already has a similar mechanic, so it's redundant.

Mausoleum and Cinema Deux are also pretty redundant for the same reason as Spring Stadium.

Ninja College, Via Dolce and Sparring Ring are nothing special for a Smash stage.

Buster Beach itself also has nothing special, but every minigame is also in the same location, so creative liberties could have us impliment various things, like maybe making the first officially-made Smashketball stage?

Ribbon Girl's stage is incredibly unique with the rising platforms and all and I could see it create a lot of shenanigans.

Ramen Bowl would work, but I imagine it would look VERY awkward when trying to show it in 2D.

Scrapyard could have a very creative layout due to it being made of junk piled up together.

Snake Park's snakeboards could make for some nice shenanigans. That stage is fun lol

DNA Lab and Temple Grounds have destructible elements. Depending on how they're implimented, I think these elements are either going to be mostly visual or just ripping off Shadow Moses, however.

[NAME REDACTED] has conveyor belts and some green pillars that outright limitate movement options. Could make for shenanigans, but I don't think it would be the best stage to pick....... Then again, they picked Moray Towers aka Sniper's Paradise for Splatoon and it works, so what the hell do I know? :V

Either way, I feel like the stage could go one of three ways;
- The character's stage
- Sky Arena due to its significance as the place for the Grand Prix Finale, meaning it can work with any character
- Buster Beach to reference the minigames

 

[Hinata]

What do you guys think the stage will be as we are close to the presentation (at most 3 weeks)? I really don't want Sky Arena due to how basic it is. This may be my bias but I think it's probably going to be Spring Stadium. I guess it could be Sky Arena though.

Regardless of who the character is, my hopes are either Ribbon Ring or [NAME REDACTED].

 

[Trevenant]

My favourite would be Ribbon Ring as I can only imagine how fun a match would be with the ground rising only for it to plummet back down after being hit.

 

[Perkilator]

My stage pick is Ramen Bowl, Min-MIn's stage.

Game of Origin: ARMS (2017)

Description: The Ramen Bowl is an arena with a giant bowl in the middle. There is a gong in the background and tons of audience outside the arena. Other ARMS characters (such as Spring Man*, Twintelle, and Max Brass, just to name a few) make cameo appearances in the background.

*The Spring Man Assist Trophy is disabled on this stage.

Layout: The stage is basically one big downward half-circle with a large flat surface in the center. Platforms shaped like plates occasionally appear from opposite sides.

Gimmicks and Hazards: The red center of the stage will sometimes break if fighters hit it enough times while fighting. The platforms appear a couple seconds before the center breaks, so there could be a more stable fight. When the center breaks, there’s a 50/50 chance it will reveal either a spider web trampoline (taken from the Mausoleum stage) or a bottomless pit. After 35 seconds, the gong bangs with green dragon aura around it, and the center is repaired.

When the center is intact, drones will occasionally fly by and drop items. The items they drop are:

-HP Juice: Functionally identical to the Healing Field, so THAT item is disabled.
-Rush Juice: Increases the fighters’ attack and speed, but slightly lowers their defense. It also slowly fills up their Final Smash Meter, but only when it’s turned on.
-Fire Bomb: A giant bomb that explodes in a huge radius, ignoring shields (35%, far knockback)
-Shock Bomb: A giant bomb that explodes in the same radius as the fire bomb, but fighters caught in the explosion are stunned for a couple seconds (35%, medium knockback)

Music:
-Grand Prix (Main Theme)~New Remix
-Spring Stadium~New Remix
-Ribbon Ring
-Ninja College~New Remix
-Mausoleum~New Remix
-Ramen Bowl~New Remix
-Scrapyard
-Cinema Deux~New Remix
-Buster Beach
-Snake Park
-DNA Lab~New Remix
-Sky Arena~New Remix
-Via Dolce~New Remix
-Temple Grounds
-Sparring Ring
-[NAME REDACTED]
-Vs. Hedlok~New Remix

Battlefield/Ω Form: The red center of the arena is enlarged, and a giant ramen bowl appears under. In Battlefield form, the plates from its regular form appear.

 

[NOSTARSICK]

[NAME REDACTED], Ribbon Ring, and Via Dolce (this one just because I love the simplicity of it, and my favorite song from the game, i know this stage won't happen but I can dream)

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Nintendo doesn't need to "even out" heroes and villains. The first pass had no antagonists whatsoever.

Yeah, but it wouldn't hurt to have just one more villain newcomer in Ultimate though.

 

[GolisoPower]

My picks are kind of split between Sky Arena and Ramen Bowl.

Sky Arena because that was the final stage you go to in the arcade mode, and the Ramen Bowl since it's home to no doubt the most internationally popular character in the entire ARMS roster (Twintelle's popular, yeah, but a majority of her support comes from the West afaik).

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Here's a something we can do to pass the time. Remember the tier list maker and ranking your most wanted? Well let's contrast that against who you THINK will be the character(s) will be.

Here's my wants
View attachment 274108

versus who I think it may be
View attachment 274110

How do your lists look?

My list is basically Min Min at the top and everyone else anywhere else to be honest. I would give Spring Man the number 2 spot on my list for the sole reason that his inclusion would destroy the Assist Trophy barrier.