Congratulations, Min Min! ARMS character(s) for Smash discussion

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Tbf you wouldn't really avoid the main character for any other reason other than the outlying condition that is surrounding them which is the assist which I can't imagine them doing but on the off chance they do, that practically puts the nail in the coffin for assists

Either that or the fact that an IP is in its infancy means massive changes can happen.

Right now, Spring Man is the main character, but, and I probably said it a hundred times already, but people don't figure out how the entire IP works in one game. Who knows? Maybe ARMS 2 will be about Max Brass' rise to becoming champion or Min Min's fame after winning the Party Crash Base? In which case, Spring Man wouldn't really be the main character now, would he?

Or maybe another character became so incredibly popular that they became the mascot from that alone, like what happened with Morrigan in Darkstalkers.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Tbf you wouldn't really avoid the main character for any other reason other than the outlying condition that is surrounding them which is the assist which I can't imagine them doing but on the off chance they do, that practically puts the nail in the coffin for assists

This is merely Smash Bros logic, but when you look at other games, such as Marvel vs Capcom, there's lot of peculiar choices. Shuma-Gorath and Dormammu without Doctor Strange (before UMvsC3) or the Fantastic Four part being represented by Doctor Doom and the Skrull. Capcom vs SNK Chaos represent Samurai Shodown without Haohmaru or Nakoruru, only Genjuro, Earthquake and Shiki, and the Martian is the only Metal Slug character. Or Capcom Fighting Jam that manage to exclude Morrigan (not the main character, but definitely the "mascot").

There's probably lots of example that doesn't come to mind right now. I don't say that Smash Bros has to apply to this logic though, just that it happens in other fighting games.

Well all we can do is hope these questions get answered. Smash somehow finds a way to keep you on the edge of your seat again and again despite saying that after something of a high standard is announced, you think you can't be shocked anymore.

Hopefully we will find out soon. But it's amazing to think that reveals can still be surprising after all this time, yeah.

 

[Dukefire]

Don't forget that it does depend if the ongoing pandemic may still affect the schedule or not after running for a while.

Still, I think they will showcase a broadcast 1-2 weeks prior to the ARMS rep release

 

[RetrogamerMax]

How are both sides annoying about it? One side just wants to be able to speculate freely about how characters are always possible if nintendo wants it (as we have seen happen multiple times), meanwhile the other side is full of ppl who keep making a fanrule to make speculation limited and not enjoyable whatsoever. Only one side is annoying here, as only one side is bringing negativity to speculation, not both, like at all.

Exactly. People make up fan rules for the sole purpose for pretending their character is more likely than other characters who are more popular than who they want. If somebody doesn't want a character, they might go out of their way to try to deconfirm them even if there is no hard evidence otherwise.

 

[Trevenant]

Either that or the fact that an IP is in its infancy means massive changes can happen.

Right now, Spring Man is the main character, but, and I probably said it a hundred times already, but people don't figure out how the entire IP works in one game. Who knows? Maybe ARMS 2 will be about Max Brass' rise to becoming champion or Min Min's fame after winning the Party Crash Base? In which case, Spring Man wouldn't really be the main character now, would he?

Or maybe another character became so incredibly popular that they became the mascot from that alone, like what happened with Morrigan in Darkstalkers.

I guess but that also hinges on whether it even exists to a point that it is actually able to take a sequel into consideration when they were making the stuff for the challenger pack. I don't think they'd actually acknowledge stuff from ARMS 2 until it was at least announced but stuff like mascot shifts is a plausible option.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Morrigan (not the main character, but definitely the "mascot")

Pretty sure she's both in Vampire Savior, but yeah, Morri is definitely the Darkstalkers mascot. And she got there with popularity alone, iirc.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Pretty sure she's both in Vampire Savior, but yeah, Morri is definitely the Darkstalkers mascot. And she got there with popularity alone, iirc.

I may be wrong, but wasn't Demitri meant to be the main character? But yeah, Morrigan is close to Demitri and is important in the game, hence why she managed to stole the spotlight thanks to her popularity.

 

[NOSTARSICK]

How are both sides annoying about it? One side just wants to be able to speculate freely about how characters are always possible if nintendo wants it (as we have seen happen multiple times), meanwhile the other side is full of ppl who keep making a fanrule to make speculation limited and not enjoyable whatsoever. Only one side is annoying, as only one side is bringing negativity to speculation, not both, like at all.

Maybe I shouldve worded it better, i meant just the arguing annoys me, sorry im trying to think how to word it better, I haven't slept good lately so it's hard to think how to explain, i didnt mean anything bad, I'm just more neutral about promotions, there are characters who I'd honestly love to see promoted (Isaac, Akira, Yuri Kozukata) but there's plenty of other characters id like to see as well (Yugo (Bloody Roar), Neku, Ryu/Nina (Breath of Fire) ECT) but I really didn't mean to offend anyone if I did

 

[AntagonisticGalaxyCetacea]

I may be wrong, but wasn't Demitri meant to be the main character? But yeah, Morrigan is close to Demitri and is important in the game, hence why she managed to stole the spotlight thanks to her popularity.

Morrigan and Demitri have always been the main characters of Darkstalkers, nothing was changed in the franchise in favor of Morrigan. Morrigan appears in more crossover appearances but Demitri is also up there in appearances and was even added in SvC Chaos without Morrigan.

I think people need to stop bringing this point up to support their theories if they're going to keep getting it wrong.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I may be wrong, but wasn't Demitri meant to be the main character? But yeah, Morrigan is close to Demitri and is important in the game, hence why she managed to stole the spotlight thanks to her popularity.

Morrigan and Demitri have always been the main characters of Darkstalkers, nothing was changed in the franchise in favor of Morrigan. Morrigan appears in more crossover appearances but Demitri is also up there in appearances and was even added in SvC Chaos without Morrigan.

I think people need to stop bringing this point up to support their theories if they're going to keep getting it wrong.

Fair enough, I guess.

Guess I'll stick to talking about Clefairy when talking about IPs changing mascots during their infancy

 

[RebelMaren]

Maybe I shouldve worded it better, i meant just the arguing annoys me, sorry im trying to think how to word it better, I haven't slept good lately so it's hard to think how to explain, i didnt mean anything bad, I'm just more neutral about promotions, there are characters who I'd honestly love to see promoted (Isaac, Akira, Yuri Kozukata) but there's plenty of other characters id like to see as well (Yugo (Bloody Roar), Neku, Ryu/Nina (Breath of Fire) ECT) but I really didn't mean to offend anyone if I did

Peronally, the way I see it, I wish people put their efforts into supporting the characters that excite them regardless of fan rules and speculation, than shooting down others ideas based on their own interpretation of an ever shifting set of invisible rules we've never gotten to see.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Pretty sure she's both in Vampire Savior, but yeah, Morri is definitely the Darkstalkers mascot. And she got there with popularity alone, iirc.

Morrigan and Demitri have always been the main characters of Darkstalkers, nothing was changed in the franchise in favor of Morrigan. Morrigan appears in more crossover appearances but Demitri is also up there in appearances and was even added in SvC Chaos without Morrigan.

I think people need to stop bringing this point up to support their theories if they're going to keep getting it wrong.

If they went with Demitri Maximoff first, the implementation of Midnight Bliss would be...interesting, given that only some fighters have alternate gendered versions.

Well all we can do is hope these questions get answered. Smash somehow finds a way to keep you on the edge of your seat again and again despite saying that after something of a high standard is announced, you think you can't be shocked anymore.

Except for fog, who simply can't be surprised by anything, apparently.

Peronally, the way I see it, I wish people put their efforts into supporting the characters that excite them regardless of fan rules and speculation, than shooting down others ideas based on their own interpretation of an ever shifting set of invisible rules we've never gotten to see.

Yup, pretty much. Some characters' support groups are either a mess, or nearly non-existent due to this. And when a fan rule gets broken, the only thing that happens every time is this:

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There is a point where people will have to open their minds to more possibilities, surely? Rather than constantly set themselves up to be proven wrong and look like atheists at best, buffoons at worst.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Morrigan and Demitri have always been the main characters of Darkstalkers, nothing was changed in the franchise in favor of Morrigan. Morrigan appears in more crossover appearances but Demitri is also up there in appearances and was even added in SvC Chaos without Morrigan.

I think people need to stop bringing this point up to support their theories if they're going to keep getting it wrong.

Thanks for the clarification, as I wasn't sure (and sorry if I sounded indeed sure of myself). And yeah, Demitri do appear in several crossover, with or without Morrigan.

 

[AntagonisticGalaxyCetacea]

Fair enough, I guess.

Guess I'll stick to talking about Clefairy when talking about IPs changing mascots during their infancy

I don't mean to sound harsh, it's just hearing the Morrigan situation being brought up so much regarding Min Min so many times is driving me up a wall, because Darkstalkers has a legacy but ARMS does not (yet)

 

[Arthur97]

Either that or the fact that an IP is in its infancy means massive changes can happen.

Right now, Spring Man is the main character, but, and I probably said it a hundred times already, but people don't figure out how the entire IP works in one game. Who knows? Maybe ARMS 2 will be about Max Brass' rise to becoming champion or Min Min's fame after winning the Party Crash Base? In which case, Spring Man wouldn't really be the main character now, would he?

Or maybe another character became so incredibly popular that they became the mascot from that alone, like what happened with Morrigan in Darkstalkers.

Technically, it isn't even a series. It's a game. There is no sequel, and we have no guarantee of one. As it stands now, he is the mascot character, and we have no sequel to change that unless one is already in the works. Though, remember that this is Nintendo, and they generally don't pump things out that fast with some series often being relegated to one entry per console. Also remember, mascot characters are not always the most popular going back to my Marth example.

But, yeah, if Spring Man can't break free as a mascot, then it doesn't look good for any other assists.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I don't mean to sound harsh, it's just hearing the Morrigan situation being brought up so much regarding Min Min so many times is driving me up a wall,

Which is funny because I think the rep will be Brass, not Min Min

I'm just trying to use the Morrigan situation to explain that Spring Man isn't 100% set in stone because his mascot status isn't as of now.

because Darkstalkers has a legacy but ARMS does not (yet)

Fair point though.

 

[Dukefire]

Still, it is anyone's game until Sakurai and Nintendo drops the 6th invite to whoever they picked as the fighter

Edit: more and more leaks/rumors for the "ARMS rep" are appearing, but Sakurai and Nintendo are doing their best to shut them down. Guess the hype surrounding the beginning of FP2 is about to burst at this point.

 

[osby]

Even if ARMS does gain a new mascot later down the line, I don't see it having a significant impact on which character Nintendo chose for Fighter Pass Volume 2.

Smash rarely includes content based on unreleased games and even when it does, it's usually small stuff like Joker's Grappling Hook.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Still, it is anyone's game until Sakurai and Nintendo drops the 6th invite to whoever they picked as the fighter

Edit: more and more leaks/rumors for the "ARMS rep" are appearing, but Sakurai and Nintendo are doing their best to shut them down. Guess the hype surrounding the beginning of FP2 is about to burst at this point.

Where are these leaks?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Meanwhile, it looks like we finally know when the rescheduled PS5 event may take place.

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Still, it is anyone's game until Sakurai and Nintendo drops the 6th invite to whoever they picked as the fighter

Edit: more and more leaks/rumors for the "ARMS rep" are appearing, but Sakurai and Nintendo are doing their best to shut them down. Guess the hype surrounding the beginning of FP2 is about to burst at this point.

Any specifics besides the rumors we got so far?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Still, it is anyone's game until Sakurai and Nintendo drops the 6th invite to whoever they picked as the fighter

Edit: more and more leaks/rumors for the "ARMS rep" are appearing, but Sakurai and Nintendo are doing their best to shut them down. Guess the hype surrounding the beginning of FP2 is about to burst at this point.

Where are these leaks?

I would like to know this too. Aside from the questionable Min Min image leak, there’s the June 16th one and the obviously fake spirits list leak that said Max Brass was a fighter spirit and thus FP6 as well as listing other fan faves as regular Spirits (debunked because “Origami King” isn’t the name of the character)

 

[Dukefire]

There was a leak talking about the Switch PRO and it does bring up about the "ARMS rep". There is also another ARMS rep leak, but it was shut down by Sakurai later after it was brought up.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

There was a leak talking about the Switch PRO and it does bring up about the "ARMS rep". There is also another ARMS rep leak, but it was shut down by Sakurai later after it was brought up.

May I see the first one? And for the second, what do you mean “shut down by sakurai”? Like copyright claimed or something?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

There was a leak talking about the Switch PRO and it does bring up about the "ARMS rep". There is also another ARMS rep leak, but it was shut down by Sakurai later after it was brought up.

I don't suppose you screenshotted either of these?

 

[Dukefire]

I don't suppose you screenshotted either of these?

Not to sound like an idiot, but I didn't. Just been roaming the internet every now and then to see what has been going on.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Not to sound like an idiot, but I didn't. Just been roaming the internet every now and then to see what has been going on.

Is it still in your history? Do you at least remember WHERE you saw it?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Not to sound like an idiot, but I didn't. Just been roaming the internet every now and then to see what has been going on.

So, a rumor about rumors. Doesn't bring us any closer to anything concrete, not even a fake leak.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Not to sound like an idiot, but I didn't. Just been roaming the internet every now and then to see what has been going on.

Well if you find anything, let us know (albeit behind a spoiler tag)

 

[RebelMaren]

If nothing else, Min Min does line up with the Milk Bosatsu leak from last year.

 

[Dukefire]

Spoiler: About some Leaks. Take it with a Grain of Salt

Ok, for the latest "ARMS rep" leak. It was for the Amiibo page for Smash Ultimate. Nintendo finally updated it to show that it was reserved for Squirtle. So that one is sunk.

The Switch Pro Leak is located in 4chan (of course). Hard to locate for reading it, so this video from Blocked Content can let you read it and it talks about Springman being the chosen rep as part of the next patch for Smash Ultimate.

Spoiler: Video from Blocked Content about a 4chan post. Again, Grain of Salt

 

[Trevenant]

Well if you find anything, let us know (albeit behind a spoiler tag)

But a spoiler tag is too good for an obviously fake 4chan post made by ANON NO:12578. A fake leak would be punching above its weight tbh when with a spoiler tag

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

If nothing else, Min Min does line up with the Milk Bosatsu leak from last year.

Wasn't that for FP1 though?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Wasn't that for FP1 though?

It was.

Spoiler: About some Leaks. Take it with a Grain of Salt

Ok, for the latest "ARMS rep" leak. It was for the Amiibo page for Smash Ultimate. Nintendo finally updated it to show that it was reserved for Squirtle. So that one is sunk.

The Switch Pro Leak is located in 4chan (of course). Hard to locate for reading it, so this video from Blocked Content can let you read it and it talks about Springman being the chosen rep as part of the next patch for Smash Ultimate.

Spoiler: Video from Blocked Content about a 4chan post. Again, Grain of Salt

The Switch Pro leak is insta fake cause iirc Nintendo said they wouldn’t be showing the more powerful Switch this year (they may not even call it Switch Pro, so as not to confuse it with the Switch Pro Controller)

 

[RebelMaren]

Wasn't that for FP1 though?

I think leakers tend to assume that what they saw is the next character. You gotta admit, female fighting game character, japanese style clothing, projectile weapon like a boomerang or hammer and 'has appeared in Smash before' are kinda interesting points when brought up today.

 

[Trevenant]

Tbf 4chan is a more reliable source for leaks than Blocked Content AND a 4chan leak put together let alone Blocked Content on their own. Im convinced they write their own leaks to give them stuff to talk about. I wonder if they have given away that Piranha Plant plush yet which they have been saying will be given away for over a year. It's probably just a fake giveaway. Either way you can do a little better than a pp plush. Long story short, if Blocked Content covers it, it's fake so that doesn't really affect springmans odds.

 

[Dukefire]

It was.

The Switch Pro leak is insta fake cause iirc Nintendo said they wouldn’t be showing the more powerful Switch this year (they may not even call it Switch Pro, so as not to confuse it with the Switch Pro Controller)

Yeah, been seeing the flow of where the leaks go from people bringing it up. Of course, most are fake when known places are known to be wrong most of the time.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I think leakers tend to assume that what they saw is the next character. You gotta admit, demale fighting game character, japanese style clothing, projectile weapon like a boomerand or hammer and 'has appeared in Smash before' are kinda interesting points when brought up today.

ARMS can “fly” and one such ARM is a boomerang (one that belongs to Ninjara). When was pass 2 finalized tho? Last E3? Cause maybe the dude did see Min Min

however, I do still think it was for the first pass as FP4 “hasn’t appeared yet” which was referring to the publisher. That ended up being Terry (SNK). FP5’s publisher “already appeared” and that was Byleth (Nintendo).

 

[Dukefire]

Really, if it is just the Sakurai Presentation for the unknown ARMS rep, then I doubt that there would be an announcement of ARMS 2 unless it's in the Direct instead before Sakurai

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Does anyone think if popularity decides the ARMS rep it's gonna be Twintelle instead of Min Min? Min Min might've won Party Crash, but I feel that's like saying Marie is more important than Callie for winning the Splatfest. Twintelle was added to the Testpunch thanks to fan demand and is the only character not from the "main four" to be in the ARMS demo, not Min-Min. I think there's three routes the ARMS rep can take: Mascot, being Spring Man or Ribbon Girl. Lore, being Max Brass and maybe Coyle or popularity, in which I'd argue that yeah, Twintelle and Min-Min both fit the bill.

 

[RebelMaren]

Peronally I think they've been planning an ARMS rep for years, not really looking to argue that again though to be honest, I've posted my thoughts on that in here in the past. Byleth's trailer feels designed for a Nintendo Direct rather than a Smash presentation like how it was shown, which makes me wonder if they were brought forward to line up with the Three Houses DLC. If so, and ARMS rep being planned for slot 5 initially wouldn't be too out there and changing their plans around last summer could certainly be done well after testing had begun on the character.

Just speculation.