Congratulations, Min Min! ARMS character(s) for Smash discussion

[Gentlepanda]

immensely skeptical of milk's claims being related to min min but there's something morbidly funny about the image of sakurai slaving away over this character nintendo asked him to do for over 14 months trying to figure out how to make her work

 

[RebelMaren]

Aren’t DLCs worked on in threes too? If PP was intended to be base but pushed to DLC, it’s possible Joker, Hero and Banjo were worked on shortly before the game released (and why Joker had enough progress on him to warrant a tease). It would ALSO explain rumors of a Square Enix rep, leakers being unsure if it was base or DLC, and the infamous Seven Squares list in December 2018.

It’s ALSO possible Min Min, if that’s who Milk’s source saw, was intended for FP5 but switched places with Byleth who might have been intended for the second pass. After all, NOBODY knew about Byleth. Would also explain increased leak security. This bit of speculation may be a stretch (pun), but the DLC worked on in threes was literally confirmed I’m sure.

The thing about the Byleth trailer is that it follows the wrong forumla for it's reveal event. Many trailers (Like Banjo or Hero follow a formula of "Oh it's obviously Smash but who is it?" while Byleth follows the same formula as Isabelle and Joker "Oh hey it's X game I wonder wh... wait SMASH!?", which tends to be used in general directs and in Joker's case, the game awards. I think the trailer was made with intention of it being in a direct but plans changed, and if so, character 6 and 5 being swapped seems the most likely outcome to me personally.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Oh and by the way the PS5 stream date is real, it just got leaked earlier today.

Was there any other info attached to that leak?

 

[RebelMaren]

You realize that they didn't just make characters for the entire development cycle, right?

They had to impliment new mechanics, like parrying, instant short hops, directional airdodge, etc.

They had to impliment over 100 stages, many of which from scratch.

All the different new models, items, Assist Trophies and Poke Ball summons that had to be worked on.

The 6 different maps of World of Light.

Testing every single one of the 1000+ Spirit battles.

There's far more to a base game than the characters, which is why I have doubts on a leak that, according to the fanbase, implies Min Min was decided at the same time as the first Fighters Pass.

Do I see an ARMS rep be decided for a season 2 around E3 2019? Yes, yes I do, but Milk-BOTATSU implies that character was in active development. And given that at the time, we only had Joker, with Hero not coming for another month, I have a LOT of doubt concerning the idea that Min Min was worked on alongside Hero, Banjo, Terry and Byleth.

That feels like people looking too deep into fake leaks to justify the Ramen Bomber.

But that's exactly why I think that they might have been planning this for a while. We're so busy making the base game, but lets put stuff in place so we can work on this more actively later when thing have calmed down. I appreciate the challenge of making a video game, but I also appreciate that ideas can come long before they can be implemented.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

But that's exactly why I think that they might have been planning this for a while. We're so busy making the base game, but lets put stuff in place so we can work on this more actively later when thing have calmed down. I appreciate the challenge of making a video game, but I also appreciate that ideas can come long before they can be implemented.

What would be the point of the Spring Man Assist Trophy, or any ARMS representation, if it was planned before the game even released?

 

[Gentlepanda]

What would be the point of the Spring Man Assist Trophy, or any ARMS representation, if it was planned before the game even released?

tbh i feel like ARMS was put aside pre-launch (perhaps very late on) for a potential season 2 if the fighter's pass showed promising sales, and the reason i think that is the complete lack of ARMS music

codename STEAM of all things got two tracks (one of which was a brand new remix), but nintendo's brand new IP fighting game that sold 2.5 million copies and was univerally praised for its soundtrack didn't get even the main theme despite the plethora of ARMS content (spirits, AT, mii costumes)

 

[RebelMaren]

What would be the point of the Spring Man Assist Trophy, or any ARMS representation, if it was planned before the game even released?

Same as any franchise? just represent games and Nintendo games in any way they can. but don't step on the character/stage/music they might add down the line? IF the rep isn't Spring Man, would it really be JUST because he's an assist, somehow I doubt that.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Same as any franchise? just represent games and Nintendo games in any way they can. but don't step on the character/stage/music they might add down the line? IF the rep isn't Spring Man, would it really be JUST because he's an assist, somehow I doubt that.

The point of my question was just "why represent the game now if you'll do it later anyway?"

I definitely think Spring Man being an Assist doesn't affect his chances whatsoever and that if we don't get him, it's going to be a problem with either making his mechanics stand out (parries and damage-based comeback gimmicks aren't exactly rare nowadays) or just the fact that someone has more potential.

 

[RebelMaren]

The point of my question was just "why represent the game now if you'll do it later anyway?"

I definitely think Spring Man being an Assist doesn't affect his chances whatsoever and that if we don't get him, it's going to be a problem with either making his mechanics stand out (parries and damage-based comeback gimmicks aren't exactly rare nowadays) or just the fact that someone has more potential.

Well they haven't actually added any Assists in since the game launched, and spirits don't seem like a huge challenge to add, besides they're still spoiled for mii costumes to add with the ARMS rep. If they didn't add any of that I doubt anyone would be as surprised to see an ARMS rep announced. Imagine if they didn't do that Astral Chain spirit event the day before Three Houses got a rep. speculation, they'd be all over these youtube leak channels.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Was there any other info attached to that leak?

If you're talking the PS5 one, pretty much just got accidentally streamed on Twitch: https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/1270027393776996352

Speaking of Crash and ARMS...

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Doubtful, as when they talked about Hero’s alt, I recall them saying DQXI was the default while III, IV and VIII were alts (and again no female versions)

Funny you say that, considering that 98% of fans thought Erdrick was the base fighter the entire time Hero was leaked. Even Tansut didn't get any clarification from his source, who never replied to his question about whether Erdrick was in.

The only reason we didn't get female alts for that one was because they ran out of time before release, while we still don't know how much legroom they've had since then.

 

[Teeb147]

I don't think spring man would make it, but it'd be interesting to smash the idea that an assist trophy can't make it.
What would they do with the assist trophy tho? :O

 

[Gentlepanda]

I don't think spring man would make it, but it'd be interesting to smash the idea that an assist trophy can't make it.
What would they do with the assist trophy tho? :O

most theories run that they'd just pull an alucard on wii fit studio and have the AT not spawn while he's being played (which raises more questions like what would happen to his entry in the training mode AT menu if you spawned in as spring man), but honestly given how central ATs are to casual matches with items on, i feel like people very much overestimate the likelihood of sakurai just pushing an assist trophy that has a lot of work put into it to one side

 

[Teeb147]

most theories run that they'd just pull an alucard on wii fit studio and have the AT not spawn while he's being played (which raises more questions like what would happen to his entry in the training mode AT menu if you spawned in as spring man), but honestly given how central ATs are to casual matches with items on, i feel like people very much overestimate the likelihood of sakurai just pushing an assist trophy that has a lot of work put into it to one side

That's a simple solution actually, maybe could work.

Unrelated, and probably been talked about before, but I like the idea that the arms character could swap the arms, to have different ways the attacks will work.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

That's a simple solution actually, maybe could work.

Unrelated, and probably been talked about before, but I like the idea that the arms character could swap the arms, to have different ways the attacks will work.

The different ARMS will factor in somehow. Either by swapping them on the fly like the Inklings or Byleths do with their weapons or having some kind of stance change system where the diffrerent ARMS have different effects.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

most theories run that they'd just pull an alucard on wii fit studio and have the AT not spawn while he's being played (which raises more questions like what would happen to his entry in the training mode AT menu if you spawned in as spring man), but honestly given how central ATs are to casual matches with items on, i feel like people very much overestimate the likelihood of sakurai just pushing an assist trophy that has a lot of work put into it to one side

While every AT is unique in it's own way, I think the way AT works is important.

Let's suppose Springman get promoted, it would not make a big difference, beside the balancing of course: the character would still punch, and can have a Rush mechanic, like the assist. Same goes for Alucard for example (especially considering Sakurai could have included him instead of the Belmonts)

On the other hand, Ashley, a character that I REALLY want playable, have quite the unique effect, and it's something that doesn't seems doable as a fighter. This would be a bigger "loss" than a simple brawler fighter.

That's only pure speculation though, and a point of view. I may be totally wrong on my approach of the question.

 

[MattX20]

I've not checked yet, but I assume the news of the PS5 presentation happening on Thursday was mentioned earlier, right? It has some potential implications that we might see the direct/presentation on or before the 11th.

 

[BlueMonk]

haven't been on smashboards for awhile, what do we think about misango?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

haven't been on smashboards for awhile, what do we think about misango?

Supposed lack of appeal, even though he might be instrumental to the lore.

Apart from that, it's been "YOU CANNOT GRASP THE TRUE FORM OF ARMS".

 

[Guybrush20X6]

haven't been on smashboards for awhile, what do we think about misango?

The general consensus is he's got a cool idea but is the absolute bottom of the pole in chances.

Yes, Biff and Springtron come above him

 

[Hinata]

haven't been on smashboards for awhile, what do we think about misango?

I mentioned him to my girlfriend, even included a picture of him, and she had no earthly idea who he was. She said that if he had been added to Smash, she would've legitimately assumed that the devs just made an OC purely for Smash.

So that's the only test I need to be certain he's got no chance.

 

[chocolatejr9]

I mentioned him to my girlfriend, even included a picture of him, and she had no earthly idea who he was. She said that if he had been added to Smash, she would've legitimately assumed that the devs just made an OC purely for Smash.

So that's the only test I need to be certain he's got no chance.

What about the other characters your girlfriend saw?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I've not checked yet, but I assume the news of the PS5 presentation happening on Thursday was mentioned earlier, right? It has some potential implications that we might see the direct/presentation on or before the 11th.

Yeah, I brought it up myself. Some of us did assume that Ninty could reveal the ARMS fighter on the week E3 would have been on, so it seems like prime timing.

 

[Hinata]

What about the other characters your girlfriend saw?

She knows all the other ARMS characters, she just wasn't aware Misango existed.

 

[Gentlepanda]

i showed my friend a picture of spring man and he hasn't talked to me in five weeks

 

[Mariomaniac45213]

haven't been on smashboards for awhile, what do we think about misango?

Would be extremely disappointing if he was the one chosen. All my hype for an ARMS character in Smash would immediately go out the window..

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

haven't been on smashboards for awhile, what do we think about misango?

Personaly, I find him the design cool, and what he brought on the lore of Arms is interesting, but for Smash... I really don't think he has a chance at all, His mask mechanic bring him close to Shulk (another ranged fighter) and may also deviate the moveset away from the core of Arms in my opinion, balancing the character around this and not the Arms themselves. Same goes for Byte & Barq and the duo mechanic.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

i showed my friend a picture of spring man and he hasn't talked to me in five weeks

Man, I know he's the worst robot master but that's a bit far isn't it?

 

[GoodGrief741]

You guys can't seriously be so desperate you're giving Milk-Bosatu the time of day. That's about as dead of a leak as Hitagi's stuff and the Minecraft content. We're already in June, just sit tight and answers will come soon.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

You guys can't seriously be so desperate you're giving Milk-Bosatu the time of day. That's about as dead of a leak as Hitagi's stuff and the Minecraft content. We're already in June, just sit tight and answers will come soon.

Things get more desperate as the finish line approaches.

 

[RebelMaren]

You guys can't seriously be so desperate you're giving Milk-Bosatu the time of day. That's about as dead of a leak as Hitagi's stuff and the Minecraft content. We're already in June, just sit tight and answers will come soon.

Eh, Bosatsu leaked VR in Smash months before VR even existed on Switch, gotta give hime credit for that.

 

[GolisoPower]

Eh, Bosatsu leaked VR in Smash months before VR even existed on Switch, gotta give hime credit for that.

He did also say that the 5th fighter would be from a franchise already represented in Smash (Byleth), so that's another plus in his favor.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

He did also say that the 5th fighter would be from a franchise already represented in Smash (Byleth), so that's another plus in his favor.

Technically ARMS also was already represented with Spring Man’s AT if you wanna go with the “Min Min and Byleth switched places” theory

as someone said it would be easier to swap the positions of two first party characters than a first with a third, or God forbid TWO THIRD PARTIES.

 

[GolisoPower]

Technically ARMS also was already represented with Spring Man’s AT if you wanna go with the “Min Min and Byleth switched places” theory

as someone said it would be easier to swap the positions of two first party characters than a first with a third, or God forbid TWO THIRD PARTIES.

Come to think of it, "franchise already represented in Smash" sounds a little ambiguous. That statement is and was completely up for interpretation. I mean, for one, ARMS is a franchise already represented in Smash Bros, but on the other hand, it's a franchise already represented in Smash Bros that's also recent Smash, meaning there's very little foothold as far as fans go. Meanwhile, Fire Emblem is a franchise that's been in Smash since Melee, and its treatment in Smash has gotten to the point of becoming a meme, but do we really need a repeat of backlash in adding another?

tldr: "Already represented" is a very vague statement in this context.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

At this rate I won't be surprised if the ARMS fighter manages to still be surprising, if only because everyone overthought about who it could be, so it no longer becomes predictable.

The only suggestion that would make no sense at all is if someone were to assume the game itself was playable.

 

[Trevenant]

Tbh milk bosatu is probably fake. Info was probably a bit too early in advance to actually mean anything. iirc this leak also said stuff about a flying weapon which can't really apply to Min Min unless you really want her in and wear rose tinted glasses to try and find a connection.

At this rate I won't be surprised if the ARMS fighter manages to still be surprising, if only because everyone overthought about who it could be, so it no longer becomes predictable.

The only suggestion that would make no sense at all is if someone were to assume the game itself was playable.

You mean the case?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

At this rate I won't be surprised if the ARMS fighter manages to still be surprising, if only because everyone overthought about who it could be, so it no longer becomes predictable.

The only suggestion that would make no sense at all is if someone were to assume the game itself was playable.

I'd totally main V-Ball

 

[Teeb147]

I'm sure we'll get news of the arms character very soon

 

[Rie Sonomura]

At this rate I won't be surprised if the ARMS fighter manages to still be surprising, if only because everyone overthought about who it could be, so it no longer becomes predictable.

The only suggestion that would make no sense at all is if someone were to assume the game itself was playable.

Selects Skyrim
“...so... you’re finally awake...”

 

[GolisoPower]

Tbh milk bosatu is probably fake. Info was probably a bit too early in advance to actually mean anything. iirc this leak also said stuff about a flying weapon which can't really apply to Min Min unless you really want her in and wear rose tinted glasses to try and find a connection.

I mean, a chakram (Which is what Min Min's Ramram is) is a throwable weapon as far as I know, and also, haven't you heard of the term, "fists are flying"?

Also, just because something's been up for a super long time doesn't mean it won't be true. I mean, look at stuff like ESRB or that Ken leak.

 

[Trevenant]

I mean, a chakram (Which is what Min Min's Ramram is) is a throwable weapon as far as I know, and also, haven't you heard of the term, "fists are flying"?

Also, just because something's been up for a super long time doesn't mean it won't be true. I mean, look at stuff like ESRB or that Ken leak.

Tbf those were quite different leaks. One was an image and several gameplay videos which were pretty much confirmed to be legit while the Ken leak was also a pretty legit image leak and were both out for about half a year at most before anything was confirned. Milk Bosatu on the other hand is a text leak which has gotten a few small things right which has been out since October 2018. Ken leak didn't even exist 2 months actually. Came out on September 22nd IIRC and was confirmed November 1st