Confirmed Character Discussion (Part 2)

[Fawriel]

Also, what's all this about differences in the PAL Melee? I've heard about it, but is it anything major, or just statistic upgrades (2% more damage, higher jump etc.).

One, he's heavier.
Also, I believe I read that his head-smashes gained more knock-back. Being European, I was really quite confused when people said Yoshi wasn't very strong... his Smashes are among the strongest.
Unfortunately, they also greatly decreased the amount of damage his flutter kick dair does, but oh well.

 

[Icetrash]

However hard Sakurai and the team try to balance as many characters as possible, we will find the flaws in some characters and wont in others. This is what creates a tier list. Sure they may fix up Yoshi recovery/jump and his egg roll. But what would this do? It would make him a contender for top tier, and leave other characters still low tier.

 

[Rhyme]

Why would you jump cancel his grab...? The running animation is one of the two grab animations that's shorter then the standing one (see Samus).

And the whole cross hairs and straight shooting Up B thing is a great idea, with one glaringly big problem: it'd be busted. It would be the ultimate edge gaurding move...unless it ended a little earlier then I'm imagining.

If you don't jump cancel, the range on his grab is relatively halved, which isn't so nice. Not to mention you aren't cutting off too much total lag with either character, although Yoshi's grab does come out faster if you are running. Samus doesn't grab any faster while running/standing, and the slightly reduced time for the grab doesn't nearly make up for the lack of range, which I will point out is the only benefit of Samus' grab. Otherwise, Samus has the longest grab start-up lag and total lag of any R+A grab in Melee.

Well...I've only played Yoshi's Island DS, but in that game, you could only throw eggs on a ninety degree arch in front of you. Basically, anywhere from parallel with the ground to straight above your head was fair game, but not downwards. If done the same way in Brawl, Yoshi's eggs wouldn't be cheap at all, although stages with slopped edges would now be great counterpick stages for Yoshi.

 

[Red Exodus]

I don't know if this has been said before but:

1) Nintendo probably doesn't even know about tiers. Tiers were made by the public and can change in an instant [see ICs wobbling, freeze glitch, God tier].

2) There will always be a tier list, it is highly impossible to balance out every character so they don't have too many advantages over other characters with less advantages over others.

 

[Chief Mendez]

Yeah, in both Yoshi's Island games, eggs can only be chucked anywhere from straight in front of Yoshi to almost right above him. Also, the cursor constantly goes back and forth along that range, so you couldn't just sit there at an edge and wait, you'd have to time it, just like throwing an item at a recovering player.

Sucks about that PAL flutter-kick though. That thing completely destroys if you hit it right-on.

 

[Wrath`]

You should be able to charge the egg trow,and during this time you can aim

 

[Sensai]

^^^

It wouldn't be used...or rather, it would barely be used. Notice how barely anyone uses Link's arrows.

 

[roy_owns]

I use Links arrows quite regularly

EDIT: SONIC AND TAILS ARE CONFIRMED FOR BRAWL! CHECK IT OUT!

 

[Red Exodus]

There's a newcomer clip for Sonic, it looks so real and it'd be cool if you added that bit on there as well.

 

[Chief Mendez]

Nice 'shop there. Although I think a better Sonic stage'd be Casino Palace, rather than Green Hill.

Link's arrows are good. Better than Yoshi's eggs anyway. I'd like to see them have better knockback at lower %s in Brawl, but they're pretty good as is.

 

[Sensai]

I like the idea of having the terrible Genesis graphics there.

That sounds like I'm being sarcastic, but I'm being serious. I think it's neat.

 

[Fawriel]

Yoshi's Eggs > Link's Arrows
YLink's Arrows > Yoshi's Eggs

http://youtube.com/watch?v=62MhFSEuH5Q

 

[Sensai]

^^^

Duh. Fumi rocks. Just as Aniki does....y'know, pre-Samus.

Another problem with Yoshi: he has so very few KO moves.

 

[User33]

Anyone else think that Mario might be top tier? In today's update, it shows him recovering from an insane distance, he seems to have many combos available, and generally seems to have improved from Melee.

 

[Fawriel]

He's definitely top tier now....... by Melee standards.
You have to consider that the other characters' strength will be tweaked as welll...

 

[Falco&Victory]

He flew like Superman. He recovered at about the length fox or Cpt Falcon can

 

[Sensai]

It honestly didn't seem that far to me...

And Mario's recovery has always been pretty good. Not his Up B alone, mind you, but his Over B and Down B definitely helped him out substantially.

 

[roy_owns]

Ridley and Bowser Jr. made it to Brawl! Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch, and Young Link aren't
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3151290

 

[Fawriel]

Roy_owns...
...that rumor has been shot down months ago.

 

[X-x-Dyce-x-X]

@Cheif Mendez:
What's that you said about Yoshi's flutter kick in PAL? I'd just like to know what you mean. Did they nerf it or buff it?


As for Yoshi's eggs having a crosshair... I don't think that would be too grand of an idea. It's good to use when you play Yoshi Story and Yoshi's Island when all you play is brainless computers but if they put that in Brawl, Yoshi would be so nerfed just by that alone. Your opponents would have such an easy time avoiding combos when they know exactly where you're going to throw the egg. And it's not like you can throw an egg and hop right back into the fray, there's a bit of downtime for cooldown. I say keep his eggs hairless (lol gross... hairy eggs). You might be saying you'd like the eggs to have crosshairs because you don't main Yoshi or aren't that good with him, but imagine what the people who main him (recently me) and the pros would think if one of their key game elements was given the biggest tell in the world. If you're not good with Yoshi eggs without the crosshairs then get good.

I'll take my eggs without any hair, thank you.

"Please don't spit in my eggs, please don't spit in my eggs, please don't spit in my eggs... Thanks for the eggs! Oh god I hope he didn't spit in my eggs."
"Hey Frank I just spit in that guy's eggs."

 

[Stryks]

Ridley and Bowser Jr. made it to Brawl! Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch, and Young Link aren't
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3151290

GAAHHH!! WHEN WILL THE ****ING END?!
*Commits suicide*

 

[Wrath`]

i use links arrows alot and they are good to.

but why do we keep stating characters that are not confermed?

 

[Sensai]

Roy_owns, thank you for pointing out that people are stupid. I'm not saying you're stupid (as you might've just seen this rumor), but 1UP has had it on their site at least twice now...

Oh wait, no. That's dated from 6/7/06. As in...a year ago tomorrow.

You don't think we would've seen this already? Clearly it's fake. I lied, YOU'RE the idiot.






but i <3 u

 

[Stryks]

Hahahaha, Seriously somebody HAS to destroy that page, one more time and I'll literatly (sp?) go to my roof and jump into a pile of needles I placed on the floor...

 

[Red Exodus]

What if he was joking, like when that other guy put up the picture of sonic and tails?

Anyway, Mario doesn't look top tier because I haven't seen half of what other characters can do. For all I know Mario could be rock bottom tier in Brawl

 

[X-x-Dyce-x-X]

^^^^
You're dark Stryks...




Anywaaaaay! Let's get back on a reasonable topic before people start offing themselves because of silly comments.

God, there's not much to talk about now-a-days is there? We still havn't gotten any new confirmed characters and we've basically talked all we can about who we've seen...
Do we... wanna talk about Snake? Sakurai said he's going to use a lot of weapons but unrealistic ('splodey) ones. What could they possibly give him for his special moves? I can see dB being grenades or that rocket launcher we saw in the trailer. But what would they do for his uB?

 

[Fawriel]

Whatever it is, it can't be any more ******** than the Captain's.

Maybe his up-b is a Yoshi-esque grenade or cannon that shoots aimable, large projectiles on the ground and if used in the air, can propel Snake forward.
Seems like a pretty long shot, though.
Maybe some sort of grappling hook?

 

[Stryks]

Mark My words:

Snakes Upb is an axe kick...

U wanna know why? check the second trailer, u c snake rising up high and performing an axe kick to link on the FE stage, then combos... later on when snake, mario, link and wario are on the yoshi stage, u c snake does the axe kick again but doesnt go as high as he did when he hit link, he just excute the attack (u c by the little flash it makes) does a mini hop an wants to hit matio, but is hit by the fsmash...

Now a move u can do in the ground AND in the air? nah, Im bettin its the upb move...

 

[Devastlian]

The axe kick doesn't move Snake any more than the momentum of his jump does, though. He also clearly jumps when he does it on the Yoshi's Island stage.

 

[roy_owns]

I'm guessing Snake as a clone of Samus

 

[X-x-Dyce-x-X]

Wow... roy_owns... you really need to stop being a n00b. First of all, not only has Sakurai promised to give up on making clones, he certainly wouldn't make Snake a clone of Samus. That would just be a disgrace to the Konami and the immense potential Snake has to be an original character. And where, may I ask, is there an aerial axe kick in Samus' arsenal?

 

[Sensai]

Dyce, he never said anything about no clones. What's worse then 'n00bs' is when a person makes up a fact and spreads it around. I'm only calling you out on it because you happened to do it right here, but a lot of people have been passing around ****ty facts that are not true at all. Please, PLEASE, before you give people information, make sure it's correct.

The odds of a 3rd party character being a clone, though, is so small....it'd be a slap in the face to that developer.

 

[roy_owns]

Yeah i'd like to slap Konami in the face. : )

 

[experiment111]

snakes definitely not a clone i.e. rocket launcher
and all sakurai said was he'd like to redo some movesets maybe possibly allegedly

 

[Red Exodus]

Although, the rocket launcher kinda reminds me of Samus' d-tilt, but from what I've seen that's the only similarity they have.

 

[LukeFonFabre]

I personally thought it was a smash, therefore it would be like Mewtwo's D-Smash. Though, the chances of Snake being a Mewtwo clone seems even more unlikely (and very weird to see).

 

[Fawriel]

If having one similar move makes a character a clone, then DK is a clone of Samus, Ness, Peach...

 

[lanky_gunner]

i think the rpg is either a down b or a d-tilt. and the axe kick is probably an aerial attack.

if anything, i speculate a backflip kick for snake's recovery. he pulls it off numerous times in the twin snakes

 

[KYAG]

i just hope they make snake good enough that he can kill some people. : )

 

[X-x-Dyce-x-X]

^^^^
Oh he most definitely will be good enough. If he isn't though, I'm going to main him long enough to find a way.
Meta/Snake Fo' Da Win

I've never played the Twin Snakes, but if it comes up numerous times like you said it does colbusman, then it will most likely be in the game. I'm assuming it to be a finishing-type move and it will be powerful. Maybe even powerful enough to rival Fox's Usmash! I'm beginning to think that "axe kick" is a spike... don't know why, but it just seems like it would be. And doesn't it bounce Link off the ground in the second trailer?