They are. Maybe you should confirm before being so rude.
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Compilation of New Techniques/Discoveries (Updated 3.17.08)
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Niko_K
Smash Master
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tect
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KangKyu
Smash Apprentice
Simply the best. Great job once again!
Adi
Smash Lord
I still don't really understand what you're saying Short Fuse, but it could be because I'm completely blazed out of my mind right now.
Niko_K
Smash Master
QFFT...except the smoking part, I figured out all the stuff I know while Stoned.
suzuki brawl
Smash Journeyman
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this land cancelling seems like a new l cancel
WastingPenguins
Smash Ace
I watched that video and read the vague description but I still don't really *get* it. Can someone elaborate? Looks pretty odd.
Technique quoted from another thread:
It's been confirmed by one other person. I'd like to know if anyone else can pull this off and if it's a viable technique. Barring the name, this guy could have something.
Rang Flash
Smash Journeyman
Add hit-canceling, that stuff is for realz. I think.
lol @ last 4 words.
WHat's hit cancelling, btw?
WastingPenguins
Smash Ace
I take it no one's got anything to add about the "land cancelling" video from the OP? I'm really curious here!
omegablackmage
Certified Lion Rider
can we get this added for the gw section?
On a platform, if you begin to fall through and then down air, gw will move up slightly before he shoots down, but this brings him back on to the platform. because this happens early in the key animation, it gets l canceled better then normal. Thus you can VERY quickly bring out keys and keep doing them in succession.
i have a guide with gw here i don't know if this link belongs at the end of the first post or not
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=3840506#post3840506
On a platform, if you begin to fall through and then down air, gw will move up slightly before he shoots down, but this brings him back on to the platform. because this happens early in the key animation, it gets l canceled better then normal. Thus you can VERY quickly bring out keys and keep doing them in succession.
i have a guide with gw here i don't know if this link belongs at the end of the first post or not
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=3840506#post3840506
LeeHarris
Smash Lord
This happens with any dair that sends the character down fast. Zamus, Sheik, Toon Link, etc.
The Great Leon
Smash Champion
"Land Cancelling" was in melee and referred to as Auto Platform Cancelling. Also, Yuna posted a thread (possibly locked) about Up-B in the wrong direction will still grab an edge (hugging). Except for kirby and ddd.
bornfidelity.com
Smash Master
on question nr 2
Originally Posted by Witchking_of_Angmar
Can you still dash attack cancel or "boost grab" (it was called both names) like in melee?
no, jumpcancelling is out, which means you can't jump and then grab or usmash. this is not a big deal however because you can usmash out of a dash at any given time (withóut JCing) and because the dashed grab doesn't have (much) more lag than a standing grab
(someone should measure the frames of standing grab, dashed grab and dashed shieldgrab)
Originally Posted by Witchking_of_Angmar
Can you still dash attack cancel or "boost grab" (it was called both names) like in melee?
no, jumpcancelling is out, which means you can't jump and then grab or usmash. this is not a big deal however because you can usmash out of a dash at any given time (withóut JCing) and because the dashed grab doesn't have (much) more lag than a standing grab
(someone should measure the frames of standing grab, dashed grab and dashed shieldgrab)
I.T.P
Smash Ace
when you do a Dashing shield grab, the shield cancel's the dash animation, so a dashing shield grab is exactly the same as a standing grab, except the fact the character is sliding while doing it, so the Hitbox(the range of the move) moves along with the character, giving it an even wider grab range than ever before.
Witchking_of_Angmar
Smash Lord
I don't mean jump cancel grabs, I mean dash attack cancel grabs. You dash, press a to start your dash attack, but press shield fast enough to cancel the dash attack and turn it into a grab. With fox in melee, it like doubles your grab range because he makes a huge leap forward.
I.T.P
Smash Ace
Never heard of that, but wouldn't that be useless now that you can slide while shielding and shield grab out of it?
Vegeta214
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The animation of Wolf jerking out his gun has a hitbox of its own and does damage (there's a bayonet on his gun). On both light and heavy characters it knocks them back and they get hit by the laser while in the air for up to 10% damage altogether. (The laser does 5% damage on its own)
It's rather situational and seems unpractical at first glance. May be useful in the future though.
EDIT: On second thought: the move actually has decent knockback and may not be so situational after all. I've successfully used it today as an attack in itself. It can possibly combo into other moves.
It's rather situational and seems unpractical at first glance. May be useful in the future though.
EDIT: On second thought: the move actually has decent knockback and may not be so situational after all. I've successfully used it today as an attack in itself. It can possibly combo into other moves.
Seitetsu
Smash Rookie
Thanks for the great info...
As I'm just now getting into competitive play, I find all the techiques in one place very useful ^_^
Keep up the good work
~Mahou
As I'm just now getting into competitive play, I find all the techiques in one place very useful ^_^
Keep up the good work
~Mahou
Witchking_of_Angmar
Smash Lord
It was pretty useless in Melee as well, but if dash grabs don't lag as much anymore, it might be more useful, because the distance is HUGE for some characters.
It's most commonly known to shiek players, I think.
reverse neutral b moves are in yes
and is it just theory that eating makes wario charge his waft faster? I dont think we have any actual proof of that, so lets hold off on making every wario main waste their amazing bike recovery to try and increase their waft
and is it just theory that eating makes wario charge his waft faster? I dont think we have any actual proof of that, so lets hold off on making every wario main waste their amazing bike recovery to try and increase their waft
It's really not as practical or useful as you might first think. There's a myriad of other moves you can use in its place, so using that particular attack is ludicrous when you could use something less odd and with better put-out.
Even for a situational move, it's not the best for that situation.
Adi
Smash Lord
Isn't this just IASA frames, post video links to elaborate.
@ Shortfuse: submit videos displaying what you're talking about and I'll put it up.
@ Witchking_of_Angmar: Hmm, I thought it was more of a fox technique, whatever =p.
I'm not going to be able to update the thread over the weekend don't get too mad at me, Gimpy or any other mod if you want to edit it to add various stuff go ahead, it's fine with me.
i think somebody back there said you cant hug, you certainly can, and there is plenty of video evidence for it. my metaknight does it all the time, its just harder with certain characters.
you can see morb's luigi doing it also
i had troubles wiht bowser, but metaknight just slides right off haha
with ganon you can side b off the stage into auto edgehog too, it's pretty cool
you can see morb's luigi doing it also
i had troubles wiht bowser, but metaknight just slides right off haha
with ganon you can side b off the stage into auto edgehog too, it's pretty cool
Witchking_of_Angmar
Smash Lord
ChaosKnight
Smash Master
Jab press down Jab again <-- repeat i forget the melee name for it hehe but its in brawl
Kyu Puff
Smash Champion
I believe it's in this video (Wario eats the bike, and sometime later releases a full waft).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hotBPZiimSA
Edit - He dies in between though. Did I miss the charge?
it charges regularly, there isn't any proof that eating stuff powers it up as far as i'm aware
DBurke
Smash Cadet
You don't know how much I <3 you.
Kyu Puff
Smash Champion
Okay, didn't know that. My bad!
omegablackmage
Certified Lion Rider
i've tried it with almost everyone else's fast falling dair, and gw's is the only one i can get it to work with so im pretty sure its gw specific
This is the most untrue thing said today.
It works with everyone who has a Dair that sends them down.
omegablackmage
Certified Lion Rider
do you follow what im saying?
im pretty sure only gw's dair brings them up first enough to land on the platform again
edit: ok i checked everyone elses and only sheik, toon link, and gw can do this BUT only gw's is fast enough to even bother, maybe sheik could do it but her foot barely sticks out from below the platform and probably has little priority. reguardless don't call me out saying that i make untrue statements when your clearly wrong as well.
im pretty sure only gw's dair brings them up first enough to land on the platform again
edit: ok i checked everyone elses and only sheik, toon link, and gw can do this BUT only gw's is fast enough to even bother, maybe sheik could do it but her foot barely sticks out from below the platform and probably has little priority. reguardless don't call me out saying that i make untrue statements when your clearly wrong as well.
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