Character Rankings List - Post-March 2010

[Shaya]

Using Ankoku's uploaded tournament list, if people are interested in the ranking for the past 3 months (August, September and October):

[in order - using Ankoku's rules]

1. Meta Knight
2. Snake
3. Wario
4. King Dedede
5. Falco
6. Mr. Game & Watch
7. Marth
8. Lucario
9. R.O.B.
10. Diddy Kong
11. Kirby
12. Olimar
13. Pikachu
14. Peach
15. Donkey Kong
16. Wolf
17. Pit
18. Ice Climbers
19. Zero Suit Samus
20. Sonic
21. Luigi
22. Pokemon Trainer
23. Toon Link
24. Bowser
25. Zelda/Sheik
26. Fox
27. Mario
28. Sheik
29. Ike
30. Yoshi
31. Link
32. Zelda
33. Ness
34. Jigglypuff
35. Captain Falcon
36. Samus
37. Lucas
38. Ganondorf

Note: This isn't official, I just used the .txt file Ankoku has uploaded to make the list. I removed the points for a good reason [i.e. to tone down MK hysteria].

The most disturbing is October's tournament results alone.
MK is 3x the points of Snake. A new person (this will shock some) is half the points Snake is... Donkey Kong.

Edut: oops, I made an error, Zero Suit Samus was being bundled with normal Samus.

 

[Morrigan]

I see he's updating his sig. The 40% dropped to 39% (wow! the difference!) I hope it starts dropping more.

*rots and dies waiting*

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

WOOO! Sonic moved up to 21.

Keep going Sonic mah boi!

Steak.


I like how you removed the points to tone down MK hysteria and then mentioned he has almost TWICE the points of Snake.

 

[Shaya]

Yeah, then I edited that out and used my evil saddistic sarcasm to state that MK is 3x the points of Snake in October alone.

 

[memphischains]

steak > life.

 

[Shaya]

Sonic for top of mid tier.

The only 'mid tier' characters above him (for October) are Olimar and ZSS.

 

[memphischains]

sonic For Top Of Mid Tier.

The Only 'mid Tier' Characters Above Him (for October) Are Olimar And Zss.

No

For Steak Tier

 

[Shaya]

But I'm Vegetarian.

 

[da K.I.D.]

than you fail.

sonic for steak tier

 

[Greenstreet]

far out. some1 needs to pick up the lucas slack lol.

 

[memphischains]

greenstreet, you're not allowed on the sonic boards anymore

 

[Shaya]

Point Seperation:

1. Meta Knight
2. Snake
3. Wario, King Dedede, Falco
4. Mr. Game & Watch
5. Marth, Lucario, R.O.B., Diddy Kong
6. Kirby, Olimar, Pikachu, Peach, Donkey Kong, Wolf, Pit
7. Ice Climbers, Zero Suit Samus
STEAK. Sonic [top of '8']
8. Luigi, Pkmn Trainer, Toon Link, Bowser
9. Zelda/Sheik, Fox, Mario, Sheik
10. Ike, Yoshi, Link, Zelda, Ness, Jigglypuff, Falcon
11. Samus, Lucas, Ganondorf

 

[Browny]

Using Ankoku's uploaded tournament list, if people are interested in the ranking for the past 3 months (August, September and October):

[in order - using Ankoku's rules]

1. Meta Knight
2. Snake
3. Wario
4. King Dedede
5. Falco
6. Mr. Game & Watch
7. Marth
8. Lucario
9. R.O.B.
10. Diddy Kong
11. Kirby
12. Olimar
13. Pikachu
14. Peach
15. Donkey Kong
16. Wolf
17. Pit
18. Ice Climbers
19. Zero Suit Samus
20. Sonic
21. Luigi
22. Pokemon Trainer
23. Toon Link
24. Bowser
25. Zelda/Sheik
26. Fox
27. Mario
28. Sheik
29. Ike
30. Yoshi
31. Link
32. Zelda
33. Ness
34. Jigglypuff
35. Captain Falcon
36. Samus
37. Lucas
38. Ganondorf

Note: This isn't official, I just used the .txt file Ankoku has uploaded to make the list. I removed the points for a good reason [i.e. to tone down MK hysteria].

The most disturbing is October's tournament results alone.
MK is 3x the points of Snake. A new person (this will shock some) is half the points Snake is... Donkey Kong.

Edut: oops, I made an error, Zero Suit Samus was being bundled with normal Samus.

Dont forget to add my october tourney win with sonic to that list (i noticed its missing)
:D :D :D :D

sonic for ste*shot*

 

[Shy Guy 86]

greenstreet, you're not allowed on the sonic boards anymore

Wait, you can ban people from a board?

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

We're the Sonic boards. We can do anything.

Cept prove Sonic is mid tier apparently.

He's 20th if Shaya is correct. Yet the tier list says he's fifth from the bottom.

He placed higher than all of low and most of mid and we're fifth from the bottom....

Pokemon Trainer seems to be getting ripped off too.

 

[Deleted member]

Meta Knight killed a lot of Dededes.

 

[ShadowLink84]

We're the Sonic boards. We can do anything.

Cept prove Sonic is mid tier apparently.

He's 20th if Shaya is correct. Yet the tier list says he's fifth from the bottom.

He placed higher than all of low and most of mid and we're fifth from the bottom....

Pokemon Trainer seems to be getting ripped off too.

It is because the tournament results were 10% of what was taken into account from what I read somewhere.

The other 90% was just perception I guess. *shrug*

 

[Metro Knight]

It is more like this if you look at results since September.

1. MK
2. Snake
3. D3
4. GaW
5. Wario
6. Olimar
7. Falco
8. Marth
9. Lucario
10. DK
11. Peach
12. Diddy Kong
13. ROB
14. Pikachu
15. Kirby
16. ZSS
17. Sonic
18. Wolf
19. Ice Climbers
20. Toon Link
21. Pit
22. Bowser
23. Sheik
24. Luigi
25. Fox
26. Mario
27. Ike
28. Link
29. Captain Falcon
30. Zelda/Shiek
31. Yoshi
32. PT
33. Jigglypuff
34. Zelda
35. Ness
36. Samus
37. Lucas
38. Ganondorf

But, results can be flawed, since you might have like 5000 people playing Sonic. Out of the 7 people in our group, we have 3 sonic players, so do to his popularity he might just get played a lot. Tournament results alone don't show how good a character is. Hey, I mean Link is 28th on this list! But he is 38th on "official" tier list. We also have 3 link players. So, don't get to excited by seeing Sonic so high up there.

 

[Levitas]

We do have like maybe 1ish lucas player, too.

There's a line below which the actual results are subject to probability of being played moreso than character potential.

 

[Darth JoBak]

ZOMG ankoku's sig, %39.04 /watev zomg wow

seriously that is startling, shows popularity, ease of play, advantages and undiscovered/nonexistent disadvantages

 

[shadowlink3]

Why Read When You Can Smash? 2.

Number of entrants: 36
Entry fee: $6
Norcal
1. Sean (Meta Knight)
2. Michael (Ice Climbers)
3. Sky (Peach)
4. Edo (Ike)
5. Bootle Of Water (Wario)
6. Darrell (Lucario)
7. NoR4U (Sonic)
8. Sonik (Sonic)

http://allisbrawl.com/event.aspx?id=2930

I know the results seem a tad weird, like having ike and sonic on there, but my tourney is known now for 1 of the better norcal tourneys, so most of these people, are actually not that bad.

 

[choknater]

^aw cool, i wanted to go to that tourny

 

[InterimOfZeal]

We do have like maybe 1ish lucas player, too.

There's a line below which the actual results are subject to probability of being played moreso than character potential.

A lot of people playing a bad character doesn't increase his chance in getting top 4 in a large tournament. Maybe if there were 3 Sonic mains in a 16 man, that would make sense, but in a 30+ bracket?

A "bad" character is still a bad character, and shouldn't place high if there is anyone competent.

But whatever, I accepted that SBR didn't know what they were talking about when they ranked Bowser over Luigi, lololol.

 

[Levitas]

A lot of people playing a bad character doesn't increase his chance in getting top 4 in a large tournament. Maybe if there were 3 Sonic mains in a 16 man, that would make sense, but in a 30+ bracket?

A "bad" character is still a bad character, and shouldn't place high if there is anyone competent.

But whatever, I accepted that SBR didn't know what they were talking about when they ranked Bowser over Luigi, lololol.

Unless the odds are zero to begin with, it strictly does.

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

Why Read When You Can Smash? 2.

Number of entrants: 36
Entry fee: $6
Norcal
1. Sean (Meta Knight)
2. Michael (Ice Climbers)
3. Sky (Peach)
4. Edo (Ike)
5. Bootle Of Water (Wario)
6. Darrell (Lucario)
7. NoR4U (Sonic)
8. Sonik (Sonic)

http://allisbrawl.com/event.aspx?id=2930

I know the results seem a tad weird, like having ike and sonic on there, but my tourney is known now for 1 of the better norcal tourneys, so most of these people, are actually not that bad.

Yay Norfu and Sonikku!

Edo too. He's good.

 

[popsofctown]

It is more like this if you look at results since September.

1. MK
2. Snake
3. D3
4. GaW
5. Wario
6. Olimar
7. Falco
8. Marth
9. Lucario
10. DK
11. Peach
12. Diddy Kong
13. ROB
14. Pikachu
15. Kirby
16. ZSS
17. Sonic
18. Wolf
19. Ice Climbers
20. Toon Link
21. Pit
22. Bowser
23. Sheik
24. Luigi
25. Fox
26. Mario
27. Ike
28. Link
29. Captain Falcon
30. Zelda/Shiek
31. Yoshi
32. PT
33. Jigglypuff
34. Zelda
35. Ness
36. Samus
37. Lucas
38. Ganondorf

But, results can be flawed, since you might have like 5000 people playing Sonic. Out of the 7 people in our group, we have 3 sonic players, so do to his popularity he might just get played a lot. Tournament results alone don't show how good a character is. Hey, I mean Link is 28th on this list! But he is 38th on "official" tier list. We also have 3 link players. So, don't get to excited by seeing Sonic so high up there.

What about when popularity doesn't seem to be causing the difference? Is peach really so much more popular than Bowser to be below him? (their difference is 11 slots)
And is the world so flooded with Olimars as to move him down to midtier?

 

[omegablackmage]

FYI, ankoku left out a large result, which kind of obscures any lists made beyond this point.

Mass Madness, which had 70 entrants in the NE.

heres the thread if anyone wants to add it in:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=197510

 

[Shaya]

I dont see the entry fee for brawl singles listed. I can presume it's $8... but no, not really.

Also I presume the date was 5th of October?

 

[Praxis]

it Is More Like This If You Look At Results Since September.

1. Mk
2. Snake
3. D3
4. Gaw
5. Wario
6. Olimar
7. Falco
8. Marth
9. Lucario
10. Dk
11. Peach
12. Diddy Kong
13. Rob
14. Pikachu
15. Kirby
16. Zss
17. Sonic
18. Wolf
19. Ice Climbers
20. Toon Link
21. Pit
22. Bowser
23. Sheik
24. Luigi
25. Fox
26. Mario
27. Ike
28. Link
29. Captain Falcon
30. Zelda/shiek
31. Yoshi
32. Pt
33. Jigglypuff
34. Zelda
35. Ness
36. Samus
37. Lucas
38. Ganondorf

But, Results Can Be Flawed, Since You Might Have Like 5000 People Playing Sonic. Out Of The 7 People In Our Group, We Have 3 Sonic Players, So Do To His Popularity He Might Just Get Played A Lot. Tournament Results Alone Don't Show How Good A Character Is. Hey, I Mean Link Is 28th On This List! But He Is 38th On "official" Tier List. We Also Have 3 Link Players. So, Don't Get To Excited By Seeing Sonic So High Up There.

CAPTAIN FALCON FOR LOW MID TIER plz


xD

Amazing he's doing so well.

 

[Dark Sonic]

Unless the odds are zero to begin with, it strictly does.

Sonic is not so popular that he would be scewing results. That's because most of Sonic's popularity is with bad players. Face it, most Sonic players are bad, and Sonic's matchups are terrible at beginner level (they get slightly better when the players get better). It's not Sonic's popularity that's getting him these wins, it's a few Sonic players being really good at the game and all the bad ones not even making it out of pools.

 

[Shaya]

Handling: Oct 08 [18 tourneys]

1. Meta Knight
2. Snake
3. Mr. Game & Watch
4. King Dedede
5. Wario
6. Donkey Kong
7. Marth
8. Lucario
9. R.O.B.
10. Zero Suit Samus
11. Sonic
12. Falco
13. Olimar
14. Diddy Kong
15. Ike
16. Peach
17. Sheik
18. Bowser
19. Ice Climbers
20. Pit
21. Kirby
22. Wolf
23. Pikachu
24. Zelda
25. Fox
26. Luigi
27. Captain Falcon
28. Link
29. Jigglypuff
30. Yoshi
31. Mario
32. Lucas
33. Ness
34. Toon Link
35. Samus

Sonic being 11th for October could be argued on popularity basis, but also the notion that Sonic is underrated. He's out doing Mr. Top Tier Falco

 

[Zankoku]

He's not making that argument, he's simply pointing out that ONE Sonic player will have more chances of placing than NONE.

 

[Dark Sonic]

^^Well, I guess I was kinda grouping him with this guy

But, Results Can Be Flawed, Since You Might Have Like 5000 People Playing Sonic. Out Of The 7 People In Our Group, We Have 3 Sonic Players, So Do To His Popularity He Might Just Get Played A Lot. Tournament Results Alone Don't Show How Good A Character Is. Hey, I Mean Link Is 28th On This List! But He Is 38th On "official" Tier List. We Also Have 3 Link Players. So, Don't Get To Excited By Seeing Sonic So High Up There.

I'm just trying to point out that having 1000 bad Sonic players doesn't neccesarily increase his chances of winning that much, since the good players will simply beat all of them.

And I just noticed that Sonic is 11th in rankings for tournaments in October so far lol.

Of course that doesn't really matter since it's only the 16th and "October" is a comparitively small sample.

But it's still funny to see him on par with "top tier" characters like Falco and R.O.B

 

[XienZo]

^^Well, I guess I was kinda grouping him with this guy



I'm just trying to point out that having 1000 bad Sonic players doesn't neccesarily increase his chances of winning that much, since the good players will simply beat all of them.

And I just noticed that Sonic is 11th in rankings for tournaments in October so far lol.

Of course that doesn't really matter since it's only the 16th and "October" is a comparitively small sample.

But it's still funny to see him on par with "top tier" characters like Falco and R.O.B

You forgot tripping.

 

[Dark Sonic]

^^Sonic dashes more than any other character, so he's most likely to trip into stuff. And Sonic doesn't punish trips that well anyway (his kill moves aren't exactly fast).


Kinda funny that having more Sonic players at tournaments would actually increase the chances for other characters to win, because Sonic is disadvantaged against quite a few characters (even if most of them are slight disadvantages, it's pretty much easy street for anyone playing one of those characters).

 

[Matt07]

Dang a lot of Sonic's placing in tournaments lately, glad to see that .

 

[Browny]

Pfft sonic cant be 11th. no range, no priority, no kill moves, no approach, no defense, no attacks, no johns

amirite?

btw sonic for top tier in Australia LOL

 

[Adapt]

18 tourneys is too small of a sample size to take seriously...

get at least 60-80 tourneys in there if possible (i don't actually know how many tourneys go on during a typical 2 month period)

 

[Shaya]

Handling: Sep 08 [41 tourneys]
Handling: Oct 08 [18 tourneys]

1. Meta Knight 858.09
2. Snake 339.89
3. King Dedede 234.25
4. Mr. Game & Watch 180.52
5. Wario 149.64
6. Olimar 114.79
7. Falco 107.64
8. Lucario 100.50
9. Marth 97.52
10. Donkey Kong 96.81
11. Peach 84.39
12. Diddy Kong 76.56
13. R.O.B. 73.01
14. Pikachu 70.80
15. Kirby 67.97
16. Sonic 61.82
17. Ice Climbers 55.51
18. Wolf 51.91
19. Zero Suit Samus 49.77
20. Pit 31.59
21. Sheik 31.02
22. Toon Link 27.67
23. Bowser 27.51
24. Luigi 22.20
25. Ike 14.61
26. Fox 14.50
27. Captain Falcon 11.30
28. Zelda 10.4
29. Mario 7.27
30. Link 6.96
31. Yoshi 5.31
32. Zelda/Sheik 5.0
33. Pokemon Trainer 4.37
34. Jigglypuff 4.28
35. Ness 2.33
36. Lucas 1.81
37. Samus 1.40
38. Ganondorf 0.54

 

[memphischains]

make sonic steak rank